Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc? (Vol. 3)
Discussion
Shmee said:
kiethton said:
I reckon it could be that red they came in, would really go well with the red stitching too
Le Mans Red is a great colour for the car, I did actually look at another in it, but it wouldn't make sense to respray it into another standard colour for the model I don't think.johnwilliams77 said:
David87 said:
Who is that guy?! He’s like someone from the Undateables or something.
wtfhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4uGgYg7moM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1d6vaQssrg
t gibbon.
Nineoneone said:
So many Youtubers breaking the lockdown rules as they become desperate for content & views, Shmees latest senna vid despite the disclaimer is a perfect example of desperate narcism as the cash flow dries up
You do realise they film content weeks in advance and release it on a schedule? Evidently you didn’t watch the video as he has put a disclaimer after the intro stating was filmed prior to the outbreak. James (jayemm89) STG, TGE and SOL have all also done update videos due to COVID-19. Good effort on the trolling front thoughNineoneone said:
So many Youtubers breaking the lockdown rules as they become desperate for content & views, Shmees latest senna vid despite the disclaimer is a perfect example of desperate narcism as the cash flow dries up
many have content for weeks ahead.the "desperate" ones you'd say are those who make
"my top 5 cars"
"reviewing your cars"
etc
etc
those guys are at home with no content to share.
TDowney2394 said:
You do realise they film content weeks in advance and release it on a schedule? Evidently you didn’t watch the video as he has put a disclaimer after the intro stating was filmed prior to the outbreak. James (jayemm89) STG, TGE and SOL have all also done update videos due to COVID-19. Good effort on the trolling front though
You can clearly tell by the editing & lack of cars on the roads that it was a essential journey to run the Senna around the countryside.Toaster Pilot said:
Would they even be breaking the lockdown rules if they were still filming? It is their work after all.
(Don’t say “essential work only” because you’re wrong)
According to the wording in the government guidelines, we are allowed to go out to work IF that work cannot be done by home. For YouTubers, that's an unhelpfully grey area.(Don’t say “essential work only” because you’re wrong)
There are lots of people out working still, and there is NOTHING in the guidelines saying the work itself has to be "essential". The only time the "essential" phrasing is applicable refers to retail stores - non essential ones of those have closed.
My own interpretation of that is this: I am staying at home (barring the necessary shopping trips), have been editing the content already acquired (which according to my current posting schedule has some videos already shot which aren't going to be released until W/C May 20th) - and also filming a few talk-to-camera pieces, which I already did anyway so will just blend in.
I am hoping by May the worst will have passed and by that point I will have run out of content, by which stage I will NEED to film some new material - and I'm currently looking at plans for how to do that in a way which is responsible. There are plenty of videos I can make without interaction with any other human beings whatsoever - but for the imminent future I'm trying to clear my backlog of videos that needed editing, and also "enjoying" the enforced time off as best I can.
jayemm89 said:
According to the wording in the government guidelines, we are allowed to go out to work IF that work cannot be done by home. For YouTubers, that's an unhelpfully grey area.
There are lots of people out working still, and there is NOTHING in the guidelines saying the work itself has to be "essential". The only time the "essential" phrasing is applicable refers to retail stores - non essential ones of those have closed.
My own interpretation of that is this: I am staying at home (barring the necessary shopping trips), have been editing the content already acquired (which according to my current posting schedule has some videos already shot which aren't going to be released until W/C May 20th) - and also filming a few talk-to-camera pieces, which I already did anyway so will just blend in.
I am hoping by May the worst will have passed and by that point I will have run out of content, by which stage I will NEED to film some new material - and I'm currently looking at plans for how to do that in a way which is responsible. There are plenty of videos I can make without interaction with any other human beings whatsoever - but for the imminent future I'm trying to clear my backlog of videos that needed editing, and also "enjoying" the enforced time off as best I can.
Nice to see some common sense - a lot of people are ranting about “essential workers” and they’re wrong. There are lots of people out working still, and there is NOTHING in the guidelines saying the work itself has to be "essential". The only time the "essential" phrasing is applicable refers to retail stores - non essential ones of those have closed.
My own interpretation of that is this: I am staying at home (barring the necessary shopping trips), have been editing the content already acquired (which according to my current posting schedule has some videos already shot which aren't going to be released until W/C May 20th) - and also filming a few talk-to-camera pieces, which I already did anyway so will just blend in.
I am hoping by May the worst will have passed and by that point I will have run out of content, by which stage I will NEED to film some new material - and I'm currently looking at plans for how to do that in a way which is responsible. There are plenty of videos I can make without interaction with any other human beings whatsoever - but for the imminent future I'm trying to clear my backlog of videos that needed editing, and also "enjoying" the enforced time off as best I can.
Your approach sounds sensible especially given you make a lot of content out of driving other peoples cars - which would definitely be risky.
There's absolutely no doubt that there's a lot of confusion over the guidelines.
However, like JayEmm, this took some immense preparation in advance. I went to the USA from 6th to 20th Feb, but uploaded those videos right up until 'Geneva' on 3rd March. Then I filmed Geneva videos from 2nd to 5th Mar, that were uploaded until the 14th.
You can be sure in the 3 weeks of gap that created in my travel schedule, I did not sit doing nothing; having seen what was happening in Italy and already the self isolation discussions in the UK, it was very clear I needed to go full on so took all of my cars out for a drive and shot as many video pieces as I could ahead of what was coming, assuming we'd have a full lockdown like Italy. Since Boris made his address on TV on the evening of the 23rd, I have not actually left my home other than going to a supermarket and on one occasion to go borrow some toilet roll from my parents because London is still well and truly out of stock.
What happens next is what I am also trying to now work out. The government guidelines are very clear:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronav...
What happens next for me, is what I am currently unsure about and trying to work it out. The first thing is in connection to my SLS Black Series which is nearing completion and ready to collect in a few days time. I filmed all of the series including stripping the car down and it being painted prior to the 23rd, but skipped going to see it being assembled while trying to understand this. As it's at a garage, they are on the list of businesses to stay open (in fact most of my dealers have reached out to ask about cars needing servicing etc, just sales are all closed) and between important jobs they've just been cracking on to get it finished weeks ahead of schedule.
Clearly the rules do allow me to do so, this is what I do for a living and a job I spend over 100 hours a week working on. However, most people viewing YouTube do so as if it's a private life, not the full business with people to pay, invoices to settle, commitments to be made and future survival on the radar that it is. This obviously creates a social uneasiness by going out for anything at this time - even making a run to buy essential groceries.
I've already said that I've slowed down my upload schedule and it's my intention to shoot a number of static pieces at home next but I will also need to go out at some point before long and how exactly that forms up I am currently trying to work out. As JayEmm said also, these videos do not involve any planned social interaction and are perfect self-isolation jobs with no reason to go within 2 metres of anybody, so following the Government's guidelines is not a struggle. It's clearly evolving as we all learn and work out what's happening and decisions have to be made day by day. For the time being I'm at home and have been for the longest period in a while, but before long I will have to go out for my work.
However, like JayEmm, this took some immense preparation in advance. I went to the USA from 6th to 20th Feb, but uploaded those videos right up until 'Geneva' on 3rd March. Then I filmed Geneva videos from 2nd to 5th Mar, that were uploaded until the 14th.
You can be sure in the 3 weeks of gap that created in my travel schedule, I did not sit doing nothing; having seen what was happening in Italy and already the self isolation discussions in the UK, it was very clear I needed to go full on so took all of my cars out for a drive and shot as many video pieces as I could ahead of what was coming, assuming we'd have a full lockdown like Italy. Since Boris made his address on TV on the evening of the 23rd, I have not actually left my home other than going to a supermarket and on one occasion to go borrow some toilet roll from my parents because London is still well and truly out of stock.
What happens next is what I am also trying to now work out. The government guidelines are very clear:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronav...
Gov UK said:
Should I stay at home or go to work?
You may travel for work purposes, but only where you cannot work from home.
Certain jobs require people to travel to their place of work – for instance if they operate machinery, work in construction or manufacturing, or are delivering front line services such as train and bus drivers.
Employers and employees should discuss their working arrangements, and employers should take every possible step to facilitate their employees working from home, including providing suitable IT and equipment to enable remote working.
You may travel for work purposes, but only where you cannot work from home.
Certain jobs require people to travel to their place of work – for instance if they operate machinery, work in construction or manufacturing, or are delivering front line services such as train and bus drivers.
Employers and employees should discuss their working arrangements, and employers should take every possible step to facilitate their employees working from home, including providing suitable IT and equipment to enable remote working.
Gov UK said:
I’m not a critical worker and I can’t work from home. What should I do?
If you cannot work from home then you can still travel to work. This is consistent with the Chief Medical Officer’s advice.
If you cannot work from home then you can still travel to work. This is consistent with the Chief Medical Officer’s advice.
Gov UK said:
How can I find out if my work is essential or not?
The government is not saying only people doing “essential” work can go to work. Anyone who cannot work from home can still go to work.
Yesterday, there were 2 men working in the garden beneath my apartment and in particular with a leaf blower. Obviously that's very much non-essential work but it is certainly permitted at the moment and of course they are in strong isolation anyway - I just found it amusing for the apartment blocks either side where on a week day everyone is now working from home and listening to them.The government is not saying only people doing “essential” work can go to work. Anyone who cannot work from home can still go to work.
What happens next for me, is what I am currently unsure about and trying to work it out. The first thing is in connection to my SLS Black Series which is nearing completion and ready to collect in a few days time. I filmed all of the series including stripping the car down and it being painted prior to the 23rd, but skipped going to see it being assembled while trying to understand this. As it's at a garage, they are on the list of businesses to stay open (in fact most of my dealers have reached out to ask about cars needing servicing etc, just sales are all closed) and between important jobs they've just been cracking on to get it finished weeks ahead of schedule.
Clearly the rules do allow me to do so, this is what I do for a living and a job I spend over 100 hours a week working on. However, most people viewing YouTube do so as if it's a private life, not the full business with people to pay, invoices to settle, commitments to be made and future survival on the radar that it is. This obviously creates a social uneasiness by going out for anything at this time - even making a run to buy essential groceries.
I've already said that I've slowed down my upload schedule and it's my intention to shoot a number of static pieces at home next but I will also need to go out at some point before long and how exactly that forms up I am currently trying to work out. As JayEmm said also, these videos do not involve any planned social interaction and are perfect self-isolation jobs with no reason to go within 2 metres of anybody, so following the Government's guidelines is not a struggle. It's clearly evolving as we all learn and work out what's happening and decisions have to be made day by day. For the time being I'm at home and have been for the longest period in a while, but before long I will have to go out for my work.
jayemm89 said:
According to the wording in the government guidelines, we are allowed to go out to work IF that work cannot be done by home. For YouTubers, that's an unhelpfully grey area.
There are lots of people out working still, and there is NOTHING in the guidelines saying the work itself has to be "essential". The only time the "essential" phrasing is applicable refers to retail stores - non essential ones of those have closed.
My own interpretation of that is this: I am staying at home (barring the necessary shopping trips), have been editing the content already acquired (which according to my current posting schedule has some videos already shot which aren't going to be released until W/C May 20th) - and also filming a few talk-to-camera pieces, which I already did anyway so will just blend in.
I am hoping by May the worst will have passed and by that point I will have run out of content, by which stage I will NEED to film some new material - and I'm currently looking at plans for how to do that in a way which is responsible. There are plenty of videos I can make without interaction with any other human beings whatsoever - but for the imminent future I'm trying to clear my backlog of videos that needed editing, and also "enjoying" the enforced time off as best I can.
Is Youtube your only 'job?'There are lots of people out working still, and there is NOTHING in the guidelines saying the work itself has to be "essential". The only time the "essential" phrasing is applicable refers to retail stores - non essential ones of those have closed.
My own interpretation of that is this: I am staying at home (barring the necessary shopping trips), have been editing the content already acquired (which according to my current posting schedule has some videos already shot which aren't going to be released until W/C May 20th) - and also filming a few talk-to-camera pieces, which I already did anyway so will just blend in.
I am hoping by May the worst will have passed and by that point I will have run out of content, by which stage I will NEED to film some new material - and I'm currently looking at plans for how to do that in a way which is responsible. There are plenty of videos I can make without interaction with any other human beings whatsoever - but for the imminent future I'm trying to clear my backlog of videos that needed editing, and also "enjoying" the enforced time off as best I can.
Only regular one that pays, yes.
It has been my main occupation for years - and the only other work I had alongside was filming, and university lecturing.
The lecturing was only ever a few days a year anyway - and around Christmas time - and the filming has entirely dried up.
YouTube has always been full time for me, I never had any expectation that it would give me full time money on part time hours. Took about three and a half years for it to actually return the equivalent of minimum wage if I looked at the hours in vs money out.
It has been my main occupation for years - and the only other work I had alongside was filming, and university lecturing.
The lecturing was only ever a few days a year anyway - and around Christmas time - and the filming has entirely dried up.
YouTube has always been full time for me, I never had any expectation that it would give me full time money on part time hours. Took about three and a half years for it to actually return the equivalent of minimum wage if I looked at the hours in vs money out.
That's a nice position to be in but not helped at the moment obviously! So if you adhered to government advice, technically you can go out and shoot videos, as you can't work from home. Are you entitled to the 80% wages for self employed people or does this youtube earning not qualify?
Speed Badger said:
That's a nice position to be in but not helped at the moment obviously! So if you adhered to government advice, technically you can go out and shoot videos, as you can't work from home. Are you entitled to the 80% wages for self employed people or does this youtube earning not qualify?
Why wouldn’t it qualify? If he’s a self employed sole trader it doesn’t matter what his trade is, it’s based on previous tax returns. 
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