Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc? (Vol. 3)
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PorkInsider said:
Was just about to post that! Made me chuckle and sums up a lot of the YT content for me. Shnozz said:
I’m sorry but when I look across a range of careers and see you tubers talking of depression and what an impact it has on them, I find it a little hard to take it seriously when compared to jobs such as understaffed health professionals. I’ll admit to not knowing about algorithms (or particularly caring) but surely if the pressure is so much in recording and editing a video, just reduce your content until it’s no longer an issue?
I know, how dare someone who does a nice job suffer from depression. They should just, what, pull themselves together and then hope some sort of magic happens, and their disease wanders off?Kent Border Kenny said:
Shnozz said:
I’m sorry but when I look across a range of careers and see you tubers talking of depression and what an impact it has on them, I find it a little hard to take it seriously when compared to jobs such as understaffed health professionals. I’ll admit to not knowing about algorithms (or particularly caring) but surely if the pressure is so much in recording and editing a video, just reduce your content until it’s no longer an issue?
I know, how dare someone who does a nice job suffer from depression. They should just, what, pull themselves together and then hope some sort of magic happens, and their disease wanders off?egor110 said:
Maybe give up the ' nice job' which is making them stressed-depressed for a less stressful job ?
That’s not how depression works though.It’s a far more complex set of conditions than your posts suggest that you understand it to be. For one thing, once you suffer from depression it’ll quite often be the case that you lose motivation to change, and struggle with decisions.
Kent Border Kenny said:
egor110 said:
Maybe give up the ' nice job' which is making them stressed-depressed for a less stressful job ?
That’s not how depression works though.It’s a far more complex set of conditions than your posts suggest that you understand it to be. For one thing, once you suffer from depression it’ll quite often be the case that you lose motivation to change, and struggle with decisions.
Now once you've found the causes , if your unwilling to to change anything how are you ever going to come out the other side ?
If you go to counseling there going to do lots of talking to find out what's making you depressed otherwise your just going to go round in circles .
egor110 said:
Ok you get diagnosed so you have to needle down as to what thing/things are causing you to be depressed .
Now once you've found the causes , if your unwilling to to change anything how are you ever going to come out the other side ?
If you go to counseling there going to do lots of talking to find out what's making you depressed otherwise your just going to go round in circles .
It’s not really worth engaging with you further on the subject if you don’t want to even understand the basics. If I can offer you an analogy, this is like telling someone who has lung cancer that if they stop smoking it will go away.Now once you've found the causes , if your unwilling to to change anything how are you ever going to come out the other side ?
If you go to counseling there going to do lots of talking to find out what's making you depressed otherwise your just going to go round in circles .
Kent Border Kenny said:
egor110 said:
Ok you get diagnosed so you have to needle down as to what thing/things are causing you to be depressed .
Now once you've found the causes , if your unwilling to to change anything how are you ever going to come out the other side ?
If you go to counseling there going to do lots of talking to find out what's making you depressed otherwise your just going to go round in circles .
It’s not really worth engaging with you further on the subject if you don’t want to even understand the basics. If I can offer you an analogy, this is like telling someone who has lung cancer that if they stop smoking it will go away.Now once you've found the causes , if your unwilling to to change anything how are you ever going to come out the other side ?
If you go to counseling there going to do lots of talking to find out what's making you depressed otherwise your just going to go round in circles .
If i'm totally wrong then fine , but your approach seems to be if your depressed then that's it , no attempt to find out why and try and help .
Is this really the right place for a discussion on mental health? It is obvious that trying to make or maintain an income from any demanding activity can be stressful regardless of the value to society of the outcome. Life or death decisions for the medic will not necessarily be any more stressful than the need for income to make the next payments on a supercar. And neither are the same as depression.
waremark said:
Is this really the right place for a discussion on mental health? It is obvious that trying to make or maintain an income from any demanding activity can be stressful regardless of the value to society of the outcome. Life or death decisions for the medic will not necessarily be any more stressful than the need for income to make the next payments on a supercar. And neither are the same as depression.
Fair point , we're just going around in circles anyway.Back on topic , has anyone seen the latest tavirsh vid where he buys back one of his old cars and dust the dustbowl rally in it ?
Beefmeister said:
I don't really get the argument about how nurses and soldiers have it worse, so stop complaining. Yes, they have incredibly stressful and underpaid jobs, it's absolutely criminal how they're treated and many of them have mental health problems too, but they're totally able to exist AS WELL as Youtubers having a hard time. It's not one or the other, and neither is more valid than the other either. They chose to be in that profession just like YTers.
You’re comparing the solitude of working alone, combined with the pressure of meeting a press deadline, to a service person seeing one of their friends shot, severely injured, or even blown to pieces by enemy action far from home in austere conditions, as equivalent causes of mental health issues? Give me figures of bloggers/vloggers suffering PTSD and breaking away from society due to their online “career”
What a self centred pr**k!
NastyNick74 said:
You’re comparing the solitude of working alone, combined with the pressure of meeting a press deadline, to a service person seeing one of their friends shot, severely injured, or even blown to pieces by enemy action far from home in austere conditions, as equivalent causes of mental health issues?
Give me figures of bloggers/vloggers suffering PTSD and breaking away from society due to their online “career”
What a self centred pr**k!
I won’t rise to the last bit, but no, I never compared them. If you read my post, I said they can both exist. When talking about depression one is the same as the other. Give me figures of bloggers/vloggers suffering PTSD and breaking away from society due to their online “career”
What a self centred pr**k!
Edited by andy.mod on Sunday 15th December 09:07
egor110 said:
So tell me , surely the basics are something is making you depressed , so you ( hopefully ) go to counselling sessions , now at those sessions what are the objectives of all the talking ?
If i'm totally wrong then fine , but your approach seems to be if your depressed then that's it , no attempt to find out why and try and help .
That’s a bizarre mischaracterisation of what I wrote.If i'm totally wrong then fine , but your approach seems to be if your depressed then that's it , no attempt to find out why and try and help .
Depression is a physical,illness. It is not just feeling a bit down. It affects hormone levels, energy levels, thought processes. Some people may respond to talking therapy, some to medication, and others may never find a suitable treatment.
I’m slightly agog that someone who I believe claims to work in medicine understands so little about a major class of illness.
Kent Border Kenny said:
That’s a bizarre mischaracterisation of what I wrote.
Depression is a physical,illness. It is not just feeling a bit down. It affects hormone levels, energy levels, thought processes. Some people may respond to talking therapy, some to medication, and others may never find a suitable treatment.
I’m slightly agog that someone who I believe claims to work in medicine understands so little about a major class of illness.
I thought we'd put this to bed yesterday at 1130am and got back on topic but seemingly not.Depression is a physical,illness. It is not just feeling a bit down. It affects hormone levels, energy levels, thought processes. Some people may respond to talking therapy, some to medication, and others may never find a suitable treatment.
I’m slightly agog that someone who I believe claims to work in medicine understands so little about a major class of illness.
anonymous said:
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Yep. I used to give back as good as I got, but certain posters would then report my posts and get me banned. So now I just play the game. Those posts were seriously uncalled for, so they were reported. Maybe now we can get back to talking about YTers and such like as the other discussions clearly rile too many people.
jayemm89 said:
Alright, let's try to steer this back on topic. Does anybody watch any of the "virtual" car vloggers - the gamers?
No , mostly financial vlogs which have been amazingly conservative with there advice .You'd expect them to be plugging the next greatest thing to make money , but there not just promoting index trackers and dividend shares .
https://youtu.be/QZh12BvnNYs
Wtf...... Why aren't the police taking action
- Clearly speeding (to the point at 16.30 the owner visible looks worried about the speed they're traveling at and taps the youtuber to slow down)
- Owner throughout the video doesn't wear a seatbelt
- No front plates.......
I know Youtube have other issues like how to make a good YouTube Rewind video but this takes the piss.
Wtf...... Why aren't the police taking action
- Clearly speeding (to the point at 16.30 the owner visible looks worried about the speed they're traveling at and taps the youtuber to slow down)
- Owner throughout the video doesn't wear a seatbelt
- No front plates.......
I know Youtube have other issues like how to make a good YouTube Rewind video but this takes the piss.
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