RE: Tesla wants us all to talk about the Cybertruck
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Others here have already highlighted things like the relative "power" of differing brands as well as the need to position vehicles to particular user segments.
Those things look to become ever more important than we might have imagined! See the following.
"Eight electric pickup truck manufacturers to load up U.S. market by 2021"
"Analysts predict supply will be vastly bigger than demand"
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/11/25/eight-electric...
At least one of the trucks featured, above, looks incredibly naff (to me). And, no, it's not the Tesla.
bloomen said:
It's alarming enough using normal fuel in the remoter areas. I remember in Nevada it was about 160 miles between fuel stops.
The hit it takes towing will probably be deciding factor in whether Real Men show any interest, that and temperature as well. Towing in the cold might cut the advertised range by 75%.
And I'll believe the advertised price when I see it.
Yep, I did Tonopah to Crystal Springs via Rachel in Nevada - why? Its the Extraterrestrial Highway - the whole area 51 thing an the Little A'le'Inn place. Did it on a bike with a 180 mile range. Total distance is 150 miles. So you have to drive carefully and make sure you last it. Running out of fuel there and there isnt much you can do.The hit it takes towing will probably be deciding factor in whether Real Men show any interest, that and temperature as well. Towing in the cold might cut the advertised range by 75%.
And I'll believe the advertised price when I see it.
unsprung said:
Others here have already highlighted things like the relative "power" of differing brands as well as the need to position vehicles to particular user segments.
Those things look to become ever more important than we might have imagined! See the following.
"Eight electric pickup truck manufacturers to load up U.S. market by 2021"
"Analysts predict supply will be vastly bigger than demand"
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/11/25/eight-electric...
At least one of the trucks featured, above, looks incredibly naff (to me). And, no, it's not the Tesla.
AFIk the Workhorse thing is a bust, Rivian will do OK , higher price, but I dont think their production plans are that high for 2021/22Those things look to become ever more important than we might have imagined! See the following.
"Eight electric pickup truck manufacturers to load up U.S. market by 2021"
"Analysts predict supply will be vastly bigger than demand"
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/11/25/eight-electric...
At least one of the trucks featured, above, looks incredibly naff (to me). And, no, it's not the Tesla.
GM and Ford will build some but will be limited by battery supply, Ford is talking 50k PA for the mustang mach-e....
I watched the launch event thing on YouTube last night.
It was all very bizarre from the over enthusiastic child like whooping and shouting out from the audience, Musk being his usual kid with Asperger's self, to the actual vehicle itself.
If you look at the comments it seems to be split between people saying good on Tesla for their groundbreaking design (LOL not really dear Yanks), to people saying it'll never sell, to just WTF.
The design is certainly nothing new...it was penned in the 70's and I suppose the only mass produced things that came close to this angular design concept are the Esprit, Fiat X1/9, Countach, certainly the DeLorean and a whole host of other weird and wonderful 70's exotica... https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/12/wedge-wo...
It'll be very interesting to see if this gets type approval in Europe - I suspect it'll need a few tweaks before we see it on our roads? Wing mirrors for a start!
It was all very bizarre from the over enthusiastic child like whooping and shouting out from the audience, Musk being his usual kid with Asperger's self, to the actual vehicle itself.
If you look at the comments it seems to be split between people saying good on Tesla for their groundbreaking design (LOL not really dear Yanks), to people saying it'll never sell, to just WTF.
The design is certainly nothing new...it was penned in the 70's and I suppose the only mass produced things that came close to this angular design concept are the Esprit, Fiat X1/9, Countach, certainly the DeLorean and a whole host of other weird and wonderful 70's exotica... https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/12/wedge-wo...
It'll be very interesting to see if this gets type approval in Europe - I suspect it'll need a few tweaks before we see it on our roads? Wing mirrors for a start!
unsprung said:
Others here have already highlighted things like the relative "power" of differing brands as well as the need to position vehicles to particular user segments.
Those things look to become ever more important than we might have imagined! See the following.
"Eight electric pickup truck manufacturers to load up U.S. market by 2021"
"Analysts predict supply will be vastly bigger than demand"
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/11/25/eight-electric...
At least one of the trucks featured, above, looks incredibly naff (to me). And, no, it's not the Tesla.
Now personally I think argument about the technical of this car is missing the point but looking to the future as you suggest.Those things look to become ever more important than we might have imagined! See the following.
"Eight electric pickup truck manufacturers to load up U.S. market by 2021"
"Analysts predict supply will be vastly bigger than demand"
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/11/25/eight-electric...
At least one of the trucks featured, above, looks incredibly naff (to me). And, no, it's not the Tesla.
According to the reliable source of 'some YouTube video' there's predicted to be enough lithium and rare earth material available to supply everyone in the world with 2 electric cars.
Link here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp99BpT514U
That's the kind of short term thinking I love.
1. Accuracy of estimate?
2. Is mining 100% practical, environmentally acceptable?
3. Given that electric motors are very efficient, unlikely to see large improvements and range is currently a market issue, what battery capacity will really become the standard? Closer to 100kWh I would expect.
4. How long are batteries usable before replacement?
5. What volume of batteries are currently being recycled?
https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/6/20951807/electr...
6. Number of cars on the road are expected to level out at? Lots more than the US to consider here.
7. Given the automotive industry and the supply base supporting it is probably by material weight the largest industry on the planet. What effect will such a rapid change have on the global economy?
8. Given all of the above, what are we planning to do assuming the human race lasts longer than 50 years?
Just a few thoughts on driving such large & heavy vehicles for personal transportation.
Edited by Niffty951 on Tuesday 26th November 13:55
Edited by Niffty951 on Tuesday 26th November 13:58
RobDickinson said:
no one has a 100kw solar system.
Most are 4-5kw, 8kw is pretty large.
And as I said maximum, more realistic is an average 4-5 times in kwh, so 5kw will do 20kwh average per day. really depends where you live etc. Just a stupid argument tho.
So what I said stands - If your commute is the average US distance (32 miles round trip) and the truck does 400w/mi, the average solar install will cover your commute (12.8Kwh) and not much else. If you do 50 miles, you've used your entire solar 'budget', and of course a cloudy day will be well below.Most are 4-5kw, 8kw is pretty large.
And as I said maximum, more realistic is an average 4-5 times in kwh, so 5kw will do 20kwh average per day. really depends where you live etc. Just a stupid argument tho.
The only point here is to put the scale of the problem into perspective. Solar panels and electric vehicles aren't a free lunch - just because you've spent nearly $100,000 saving the planet (truck plus solar array) doesn't mean that a (nearly) six metre long lump of steel weighing a few tonnes is eco friendly, or even particularly sensible.
Here's an interesting video from Jason at Engineering Explained about the tug of war with the F150. Warning, contains simple maths!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzKCJsou10w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzKCJsou10w
k it’s growing in me
mac96 said:
It's interesting but I thought stainless steel was rather expensive to repair? And that front- a steel box- surely won't meet pedestrian safety regulations. Or provide crumple zones for occupant safety.
I know as a commercial vehicle the regs may be different, which seems in itself to be an odd anomaly for high performance pretend commercial vehicles, but it still looks like an odd idea for a brand new design.
That said- I quite like it, and it's going to be a lot safer than plenty of vehicles I have owned!
You think tesla cares about repairs? Their cars and parts supply currently is designed to prevent repair as much as possible.I know as a commercial vehicle the regs may be different, which seems in itself to be an odd anomaly for high performance pretend commercial vehicles, but it still looks like an odd idea for a brand new design.
That said- I quite like it, and it's going to be a lot safer than plenty of vehicles I have owned!
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