RE: Ford Sierra Sapphire RS Cosworth | The Brave Pill

RE: Ford Sierra Sapphire RS Cosworth | The Brave Pill

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Stussy

1,817 posts

64 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Nonsense! If you kept the tyres inflated correctly the 4x4 was fine. Personally I check the tyres no matter what car it is!
I had two Audi S2 Avants too, so didn’t do too bad out of those four, especially as the Alfa doesn’t remotely interest me. My Dad had a 75 Twin Spark with Veloce kit new on a J plate and it was a heap of st

cerb4.5lee

30,488 posts

180 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Stussy said:
Nonsense! If you kept the tyres inflated correctly the 4x4 was fine. Personally I check the tyres no matter what car it is!
I was always told that the transfer boxes on them are very suspect though, and because of that the car eats through tyres at an alarming rate.

Roadrunner23

541 posts

195 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Don Roque said:
Fantastic cars, a real performance hero. The Sapphire shape was always what I dreamed of. Still my favourite sports saloon of all time.

As an aside, a friend of mine was a cameraman on 'Spender' so did a lot of the shots of Jimmy Nail's car. Another friend remembers a Ford dealership (in Sandyford or around Melbourne Street IIRC) where Nail hid his Cosworth whilst being chased by some thugs on the show. That dealership is now long gone.

The association between Ford Cosworth models and crime is so strong as to still persist today. I recall reading that Tyneside criminal Viv Graham had his stolen twice but it was returned on both occasions once the scrotes found out who it belonged to and what was likely to happen to them if they were grassed up. He was also shot and killed whilst getting into that car, and a picture of it with the window broken at the scene of the shooting appeared in the local paper.

The car is still around. Did an MOT history check and it expired in Aug this year.

s m

23,219 posts

203 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Khaki Suit said:
That said they are tail happy in rwd form with no nanny aids to help over-enthusiastic folks out. The reason why many found an early end. One downside is a terrible steering lock.
When the 2wd Sapphires were being sold new you could go on a course to get a bit of tuition in them. Some lucky staff at RS dealers got sent on the course too to try and help save on unfortunate incidents with dealer stock/customer cars





The actual lock on the 2wds isn’t actually too bad compared to other similar sports saloons of the time like the M3 and Merc 2.5-16

They all have a pretty similar turning circle but it can feel hefty in the Sapphire as there are less turns of the wheel from lock to lock

s m

23,219 posts

203 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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markcoznottz said:
I remember 2003-4, loads were being broken parts were dirt cheap. New parts as well, from specialists, I think I payed a tenner for a headgasket and 8 quid for a set of head bolts.
You could buy a whole car with MOT for £2500 if you haggled hard - have a look at the prices in here from 2001 - you could buy 3 for under £10k back then


cerb4.5lee

30,488 posts

180 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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s m said:
You could buy a whole car with MOT for £2500 if you haggled hard - have a look at the prices in here from 2003 - you could buy 3 for under £10k back then
That is mental to look back on now for sure.

s m

23,219 posts

203 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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cerb4.5lee said:
That is mental to look back on now for sure.
E30 M3s for £4K and E34 M5s for 3k too

Very affordable

We were quite spoiled maybe

apples24

28 posts

201 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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So to sum up cosworths


Everyone loves them


This is why prices are what they are and maybe they will keep being sound solid investments and a great car to own drive


I love pulling up the shops in mine and to here the words wow that’s a cossie

AnneTeak

167 posts

109 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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A video from around a week ago featuring a chap with 7 (in varying condition): https://youtu.be/AQdGJdt9FLU

Khaki Suit

500 posts

164 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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s m said:
The actual lock on the 2wds isn’t actually too bad compared to other similar sports saloons of the time like the M3 and Merc 2.5-16

They all have a pretty similar turning circle but it can feel hefty in the Sapphire as there are less turns of the wheel from lock to lock
That surprises me tbh. I've got an E36 and the lock is much better, maybe the E30 was bad? I always had the Sierras down for having a terrible lock in comparison. Actually, I had a 190 back then and the lock was exceptional.

I'm off to Google and settle my curiosity now.

Steamer

13,856 posts

213 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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hehe

Thats classic 'Drive & Survive' You and your Cosworth.

"if sir doesn't like the idea of going backwards through a hedge, might I suggest you consider our health and safety driving course with your new purchase?"

"...is it supposed to do that?!"

"They all do that sir".

s m

23,219 posts

203 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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Khaki Suit said:
s m said:
The actual lock on the 2wds isn’t actually too bad compared to other similar sports saloons of the time like the M3 and Merc 2.5-16

They all have a pretty similar turning circle but it can feel hefty in the Sapphire as there are less turns of the wheel from lock to lock
That surprises me tbh. I've got an E36 and the lock is much better, maybe the E30 was bad? I always had the Sierras down for having a terrible lock in comparison. Actually, I had a 190 back then and the lock was exceptional.

I'm off to Google and settle my curiosity now.
I’ll save you the bother - here are the figures from the 3 cars

They list a turning radius - left and right - in the schematic - just below the plan view of the car








They’re all much the same - few inches here and there - symptoms of wide ( for the time! ) tyres

Khaki Suit

500 posts

164 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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I wish I'd of refreshed this thread, just been and done my own hunting. Never mind, found the same as you that they are all very similar:

Sierra: 10m
Merc: 10.6m
E30: 10.5m
E36: 10.4

I'm shocked.

s m

23,219 posts

203 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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Steamer said:
hehe

Thats classic 'Drive & Survive' You and your Cosworth.

"if sir doesn't like the idea of going backwards through a hedge, might I suggest you consider our health and safety driving course with your new purchase?"

"...is it supposed to do that?!"

"They all do that sir".
They sent the editor of Performance Car mag on a similar course and I think he learnt quite a bit from the tuition

CO2000

3,177 posts

209 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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Stussy said:
Nothing beats seeing one squatting on its arse from a hard launch biggrin
I used to find the yellow box junction paint on my rear diff casing (which was buffed away at the flange!) biggrin
That was a very low Mercury Grey F plate smile


aaron_2000

5,407 posts

83 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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Roadrunner23 said:
Don Roque said:
Fantastic cars, a real performance hero. The Sapphire shape was always what I dreamed of. Still my favourite sports saloon of all time.

As an aside, a friend of mine was a cameraman on 'Spender' so did a lot of the shots of Jimmy Nail's car. Another friend remembers a Ford dealership (in Sandyford or around Melbourne Street IIRC) where Nail hid his Cosworth whilst being chased by some thugs on the show. That dealership is now long gone.

The association between Ford Cosworth models and crime is so strong as to still persist today. I recall reading that Tyneside criminal Viv Graham had his stolen twice but it was returned on both occasions once the scrotes found out who it belonged to and what was likely to happen to them if they were grassed up. He was also shot and killed whilst getting into that car, and a picture of it with the window broken at the scene of the shooting appeared in the local paper.

The car is still around. Did an MOT history check and it expired in Aug this year.
I posted a pics of it a few pages ago.

Leins

9,460 posts

148 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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s m said:
20k used to buy you all 4 of those a decade or so ago

Now you’d probably need an extra 5k to get just the Vauxhall and Ford

Was that 80 a 2.8L? Pity they didn’t make the S2 saloon in RHD

s m

23,219 posts

203 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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Leins said:
Was that 80 a 2.8L? Pity they didn’t make the S2 saloon in RHD
Hi Leins

Yes a 2.8 quattro - most expensive car there but closest in price to the other 3 - albeit least power

Deranged Rover

3,361 posts

74 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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I considered buying one of these around 20 years ago and took it for a test drive. Whilst it was hilariously fast, I didn't like it at all - it felt like I was driving a very fast tractor as all the controls were heavy and had very little feeling.

Frankly, I thought that the Cavalier Turbo i also test drove around the same time wiped the floor with it, although I didn't buy that either...

Stussy

1,817 posts

64 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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They did sell a few S2 saloons, but they were very very rare.
IIRC there was one sold to someone on the Isle Of Man or somewhere similar which is now in the U.K.