Hybrid as a viable option for fun car?

Hybrid as a viable option for fun car?

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LasseV

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1,754 posts

133 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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I did test drive Lexus RC300h and i did like it a lot. It wasn't fast, but it did have a good throttle response and linear powercurve with decent ooomph in mid range. (When using sports-mode) Chassis and suspension were more than good and turn in was sharp, so overall it was a great car. Surprisingly fun in the twisties, not old skool sports car fun but fun in a modern GT way: great grip, composure and nice amount of feedback. Cheap to run too, should be a reliable and and get a good mpg. I think this is a proper tool for long distance trips.

It did make me wonder.. I have driven several hybrids (and owned one) and they are generally very meh. Volvo's twin engines are lard ass cars which don't handle well. I think same goes for other marques plug in hybrids, they are too heavy and disconnected for a enjoyable driving moments. And their mpg drops badly when going for longer trips, so i don't see any reason to buy one.

This lexus thing was different… It really feels like it is modern day GT with all the good things from the new world wrapped in a beautiful package. Why is that? Was that car just so good that it didn't matter if it is a hybrid or not? It was so good that i'm thinking to sell my two cars and buy this. Never happened before…

What is your take? Can you imagine a hybrid for a fun car?




Krikkit

26,515 posts

181 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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LasseV said:
This lexus thing was different… It really feels like it is modern day GT with all the good things from the new world wrapped in a beautiful package. Why is that? Was that car just so good that it didn't matter if it is a hybrid or not? It was so good that i'm thinking to sell my two cars and buy this. Never happened before…
Two reasons -
1) Lexus have spent a huge amount of time and effort making it drive properly, and have been developing "premium" hybrids like the LS600h, RX and RC's etc for years, something that other manufacturers haven't.
2) They managed to keep the weight sensible - despite being a hybrid it tips the scales at <1800kg, so it's competitive with a normal IC-engined car. That's why it doesn't feel leaden like most hybrids these days.

Plate spinner

17,688 posts

200 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Krikkit said:
Two reasons -
1) Lexus have spent a huge amount of time and effort making it drive properly, and have been developing "premium" hybrids like the LS600h, RX and RC's etc for years, something that other manufacturers haven't.
2) They managed to keep the weight sensible - despite being a hybrid it tips the scales at <1800kg, so it's competitive with a normal IC-engined car. That's why it doesn't feel leaden like most hybrids these days.
Agreed on both counts. Toyota were one of hybrid front runners, so have years of experience in the teams to utilise and technology advances.

sparkyhx

4,146 posts

204 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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I really liked my is300h in sport as well. It wasn’t the fastest, but had that unmistakable RWD feel. I did not mind the cvt at all, reviewers seem to get fixated on it, it’s different that’s all. I’ve just changed to a auto merc Slk and at slow speeds it’s horribly jerky in comparison as the auto catches up, non of that with the cvt.

I would have been quite happy with a Lexus again, but they don’t make 2 seater convertibles.

I believe the hybrid golf is quite entertaining, so maybe hybrid can be fun



Edited by sparkyhx on Monday 25th November 18:09

Jasandjules

69,869 posts

229 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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My C300 is quite fun, you can run in sports mode and she is quite nippy and with a nice hardened suspension too... Or you can run in comfort for a more sedate pace, but if you fancy an overtake, she still has the power to go for it...


jamesbilluk

3,687 posts

183 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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I ran an i8 for a while, and it was great fun, felt much faster than its numbers suggested, and sounded great, it was also a brilliant handling car, I used to take it out on a Sunday on my favourite roads frequently, it was an event getting to it as well, with the crazy doors, and it looked fantastic, it was lovely to see, when pushing it hard, it was still returning 30 plus MPG. I only sold it as I wasn't sure how it was going to work with a new baby arrival! (Terrible rear seats and the boots non existent) which was a shame, I would happily have another one though.

LasseV

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1,754 posts

133 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Krikkit said:
Two reasons -
1) Lexus have spent a huge amount of time and effort making it drive properly, and have been developing "premium" hybrids like the LS600h, RX and RC's etc for years, something that other manufacturers haven't.
2) They managed to keep the weight sensible - despite being a hybrid it tips the scales at <1800kg, so it's competitive with a normal IC-engined car. That's why it doesn't feel leaden like most hybrids these days.
1) I think you are right. Car itself was a beautiful piece of kit and hybrid power train made it even better -for Europe at least. Before i did test drive hybrid version i was thinking about importing 3.5 v6 version from US to europe but i'm not sure anymore. Hybrid was fun and efficient- it feels good to know that fuel bills are small even for long trips. And gearbox was surprisingly good in every way.

2) Agree. For example I have driven Kia Stinger GT and this thing felt more nimble and better in corners/more connected than Kia- which is a good car in its own class. Lexus made a great job with this car.

Maybe next Lotus or GT86 will be a hybrid with good mpg/throttle response etc. There is definetly a lot of potential in non-plug in hybrids. It would be cool to test drive LC500h, but it is still a 100k car biggrin



LasseV

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1,754 posts

133 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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jamesbilluk said:
I ran an i8 for a while, and it was great fun, felt much faster than its numbers suggested, and sounded great, it was also a brilliant handling car, I used to take it out on a Sunday on my favourite roads frequently, it was an event getting to it as well, with the crazy doors, and it looked fantastic, it was lovely to see, when pushing it hard, it was still returning 30 plus MPG. I only sold it as I wasn't sure how it was going to work with a new baby arrival! (Terrible rear seats and the boots non existent) which was a shame, I would happily have another one though.
Well, damn. Which car replaced your i8? It is an interesting car.

I have owned 2+2 car for 5 years. It is hars reality that car needs to have usable rear seats and trunk. Luckily for me, both RC and my Supra offers that. i8 and Lexus LC500 are notch down for usability point of view as a daily driver.

ZX10R NIN

27,577 posts

125 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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I enjoy driving the Q50h (3.5 V6 hybrid) it's not quite as sweet as the RC F but it's a decent steer with a good amount of grunt but they're not quite up there as drivers cars yet.

jamesbilluk

3,687 posts

183 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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LasseV said:
jamesbilluk said:
I ran an i8 for a while, and it was great fun, felt much faster than its numbers suggested, and sounded great, it was also a brilliant handling car, I used to take it out on a Sunday on my favourite roads frequently, it was an event getting to it as well, with the crazy doors, and it looked fantastic, it was lovely to see, when pushing it hard, it was still returning 30 plus MPG. I only sold it as I wasn't sure how it was going to work with a new baby arrival! (Terrible rear seats and the boots non existent) which was a shame, I would happily have another one though.
Well, damn. Which car replaced your i8? It is an interesting car.

I have owned 2+2 car for 5 years. It is hars reality that car needs to have usable rear seats and trunk. Luckily for me, both RC and my Supra offers that. i8 and Lexus LC500 are notch down for usability point of view as a daily driver.
Was a brilliant bit of kit, a shame the boot wasn't a bit bigger, I must admit, I didn't realise how many things are required for a baby when travelling!! I went for a Macan Turbo after that, which I didn't get on with, I now have an Audi RS3 which I'm thrilled with,

talksthetorque

10,815 posts

135 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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There are many reasons to get one of these, but I can't see that fun is one of them.
I test drove one of these and got an S4 instead.
It was very competent, and the maths were good ( pence per mile at Government rates)
Not much of a sensation of speed though mainly because they are not that fast. 0-62 is about the same as a 1.6-2.0 diesel nowadays.


AmosMoses

4,041 posts

165 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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I can imagine a P1 would be quite fun wink

talksthetorque

10,815 posts

135 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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AmosMoses said:
I can imagine a P1 would be quite fun wink
I'm going to suggest "quite fun until the wife finds out you have remortgaged the whole street"

Hitch

6,105 posts

194 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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Yep!


Truckosaurus

11,253 posts

284 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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On the subject of Lexus hybrids, they don't seem to have massive batteries which keeps the weight down but you can't really do anything other than crawl along in traffic in electric only mode.

thatdude

2,655 posts

127 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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How about the Honda CR-Z? Hybrid, with a manual transmission.

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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thatdude said:
How about the Honda CR-Z? Hybrid, with a manual transmission.
Didnt it miss the boat on both counts
Not brilliant on economy or performance

kurokawa

584 posts

108 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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talksthetorque said:
There are many reasons to get one of these, but I can't see that fun is one of them.
I test drove one of these and got an S4 instead.
It was very competent, and the maths were good ( pence per mile at Government rates)
Not much of a sensation of speed though mainly because they are not that fast. 0-62 is about the same as a 1.6-2.0 diesel nowadays.
Yup, just test drive the is300h F sport last week
Just to clarify, coming from a 428i GC xdrive
The is is smooth and quiet, and the steering is much better weight than the BMW, but the IS feel very front heavy, the CVT have better response than those in Jazz or Clio, but it is still slow and take a bit of time to get the power up. It is a shame, I really love the ride of the IS and their interior is way better than BMW in terms of quality, also returning low to mid 40s mpg while my BMW can only do low 30s
The IS300 could be a great car if they put a dual clutch or even ZF8 in it

C70R

17,596 posts

104 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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My 'sport' model plugin hybrid is a 4WD 'hatchback' with 230bhp/lbft, a tiptronic box and a turbo.

It's also dull as dishwater to drive.

I don't think any hybrid has yet been built with driving enjoyment as a priority.

HustleRussell

24,640 posts

160 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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The hybrid cars available today are not compatible with my view of what a 'fun' car / driving experience is.