RE: Lancia Delta Integrale Evo 1 | Spotted

[kuro]

I got to drive an Evo 2 when a mate who worked for lancia was delivering one to an Essex dealership before lancia bailed out of the UK. Performance for a hatchback at the time was astonishing. I think Jeremy Clarkson summed them up perfectly as, a turbo charged, four wheel drive, 16 valve thug.

[Mr Tidy]

I've never had one, but have always thought they just looked fantastic and always seemed to get great write-ups - so I always fancied one but they never got within budget at the right time.

I did have a couple of twin-cam Fiats in the late 70s that had the Lampredi engine that I think is what the Integrale engine is based on, and even as a 1,600 or 1,800 with a twin-choke carb they were fantastic - with a turbo and 16 valves they must be amazing!

I know a couple of people have said £40K seems expensive, but if I had that sort of budget I'd be buying that Integrale instead of this (even if I did own one of those in the 80s):- https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1125288

[crookie]

griffdude said:

Great car.

Didn’t PH run a competition a few years ago & the winner chose one of these for £15k?

Good choice!

That they did - and I was the very lucky winner. Still got it today as can't bear the thought of being without.

On the right road there is nothing else like it

[don logan]

wolfie28 said:

On my bucket list but prices over the past few years have seen this iconic car move out of range of what I can afford. When I go to car meets/events it is one of the few cars I always stop and look around at length with envious eyes. Would be interesting to compare to my Mitsi Evo 6 TME.

As previously mentioned, I’ve had a 16v Integrale and a 1991 EVO 1

I’ve also owned an EVO 6 GSR which I bought new in 1999 which I sold to buy an EVO 6 RSX (which I still own and have modified a bit) and I own an EVO 7 RS

When I went for my first test drive in the EVO 6 I didn’t feel good about the fact that it was based on a saloon car, was confused by the lack of switchgear and instrumentation, it had a speedo, rev counter, fuel gauge and water temp, that was it, no oil temp, no volt meter, no boost gauge and not many switches at all

What struck me the first time I drove the 6 was the steering didn’t do much just off centre, I was quite disappointed with that but once you get past that it was pretty sharp (my 7RS has the sharpest, fastest steering I’ve ever known)

The Intergtale felt shorter and quicker to react, the suspension felt much more subtle, it soaked up bumps far better on B roads

The EVO 6 brakes were in a different league but ironically I’ve now upgraded them!

Because my Integrale EVO ran so much boost the EVO 6 didn’t feel faster but would have been far faster than a standard Integrale!

I kind of fell in love and I am still in love with the machine like, TOTAL focus of the EVO 5/6/7, NOTHING about it is for anything it doesn’t need!

I LOVE the basic interior, sometimes I open and close the centre console to feel the lightness (stness) of it and it makes me smile, same with the fact that my cars don’t have vanity mirrors under the visors!

They are VERY different in every way, I REALLY REALLY want another Integrale EVO but in no way could it compete with an standard EVO 5/6/7 and they aren’t soulless, it’s just a different soul, UTTER Japanese focus

Edited by don logan on Thursday 28th November 00:48

Edited by don logan on Thursday 28th November 00:56

[wolfie28]

don logan said:

As previously mentioned, I’ve had a 16v Integrale and a 1991 EVO 1

I’ve also owned an EVO 6 GSR which I bought new in 1999 which I sold to buy an EVO 6 RSX (which I still own and have modified a bit) and I own an EVO 7 RS

When I went for my first test drive in the EVO 6 I didn’t feel good about the fact that it was based on a saloon car, was confused by the lack of switchgear and instrumentation, it had a speedo, rev counter, fuel gauge and water temp, that was it, no oil temp, no volt meter, no boost gauge and not many switches at all

What struck me the first time I drove the 6 was the steering didn’t do much just off centre, I was quite disappointed with that but once you get past that it was pretty sharp (my 7RS has the sharpest, fastest steering I’ve ever known)

The Intergtale felt shorter and quicker to react, the suspension felt much more subtle, it soaked up bumps far better on B roads

The EVO 6 brakes were in a different league but ironically I’ve now upgraded them!

Because my Integrale EVO ran so much boost the EVO 6 didn’t feel faster but would have been far faster than a standard Integrale!

I kind of fell in love and I am still in love with the machine like, TOTAL focus of the EVO 5/6/7, NOTHING about it is for anything it doesn’t need!

I LOVE the basic interior, sometimes I open and close the centre console to feel the lightness (stness) of it and it makes me smile, same with the fact that my cars don’t have vanity mirrors under the visors!

They are VERY different in every way, I REALLY REALLY want another Integrale EVO but in no way could it compete with an standard EVO 5/6/7 and they aren’t soulless, it’s just a different soul, UTTER Japanese focus

Edited by don logan on Thursday 28th November 00:48

Edited by don logan on Thursday 28th November 00:56

Thanks for the reply and comparison. Would love to see an Integrale sitting in my garage next to the Evo 6 but barring a lottery win it sadly isn't going to happen. I love my Evo 6 TME, which is highly modded and an absolute joy to drive. I'm sure the Integrale would be too.

[A1VDY]

Turbobanana said:

Evolved said:

chelme said:

The engine itself is the most successful motorsport engine of all time, not to mention the car's own unparalleled success...One of the all time greats for certain.

Where is this info from and based on what? Did a quick search and can’t find anything to back up that statement.

There are tons of engines I’d think of before this one in relation to motorsport wins. Be interested to see some links etc.

DFV?
Kent?
A-Series?
US Crate Engines?
Lotus Twin Cam?

Lotus twin cam??
Lives up to the lotus nickname.
Not as powerful/quick as most think and unreliable unless you throw £000's at it.
Mk1 lc owner..

[simonrockman]

I had an early 8v. If you want something which feels similar, in the surefooted, connected way, the out-going Focus RS gets exceptionally close.

[shoestring7]

Turbobanana said:

Evolved said:

chelme said:

The engine itself is the most successful motorsport engine of all time, not to mention the car's own unparalleled success...One of the all time greats for certain.

Where is this info from and based on what? Did a quick search and can’t find anything to back up that statement.

There are tons of engines I’d think of before this one in relation to motorsport wins. Be interested to see some links etc.

DFV?
Kent?
A-Series?
US Crate Engines?
Lotus Twin Cam?

I'd have thought BMW's S14 motor used in the M3 had a claim; something like 1,500 race & rally wins.

[interG]

As a professional Integrale nerd, I'd like to draw your attention to this car's non standard k&n air filter, non standard gear knob and steering wheel, and the destructive door speakers. Like Wayne Carini is reported on integralingham.com, a car is only original once.

[viggyp]

interG said:

As a professional Integrale nerd, I'd like to draw your attention to this car's non standard k&n air filter, non standard gear knob and steering wheel, and the destructive door speakers. Like Wayne Carini is reported on integralingham.com, a car is only original once.

Never owned one but am an Integrale nut and have plenty of books including German and Japanese language ones, have every issue of Auto Italia...and why have I never been aware of this website.

Thank you InterG.

[anonymous-user]

Long,long ago, in a far off galaxay (ok, Northamptonshire) this was mine:




;-)

[HM-2]

shoestring7 said:

Turbobanana said:

Evolved said:

chelme said:

The engine itself is the most successful motorsport engine of all time, not to mention the car's own unparalleled success...One of the all time greats for certain.

Where is this info from and based on what? Did a quick search and can’t find anything to back up that statement.

There are tons of engines I’d think of before this one in relation to motorsport wins. Be interested to see some links etc.

DFV?
Kent?
A-Series?
US Crate Engines?
Lotus Twin Cam?

I'd have thought BMW's S14 motor used in the M3 had a claim; something like 1,500 race & rally wins.

The M10 family (which includes the M12 and S14) has to be up there in terms of motorsport wins.
I know it's strictly speaking an engine family, but so is the DFV.

[Quickmoose]

One of those cars which kind defines car enthusiasm.

Giugiaro designed by ruler and has 4 weirdly proportioned circular headlamps in an oblong space
By any stretch is does not earn a place in any design awards....
Fairly ordinary as a family car
mythical Italian electrics, materials and build quality
but
add fizzing engine
involve it in WRC
Win back to back
add box arches

legendary status...

[EvoCooky]

interG said:

As a professional Integrale nerd, I'd like to draw your attention to this car's non standard k&n air filter, non standard gear knob and steering wheel, and the destructive door speakers. Like Wayne Carini is reported on integralingham.com, a car is only original once.

You missed the cracked fog light - these are also rare and/or expensive!

[is1]

EvoCooky said:

interG said:

As a professional Integrale nerd, I'd like to draw your attention to this car's non standard k&n air filter, non standard gear knob and steering wheel, and the destructive door speakers. Like Wayne Carini is reported on integralingham.com, a car is only original once.

You missed the cracked fog light - these are also rare and/or expensive!

Seems to be wearing 7-year old tyres too. What on earth is the brown stuff at the top right of the engine bay?

[Jacobyte]

is1 said:

Seems to be wearing 7-year old tyres too. What on earth is the brown stuff at the top right of the engine bay?

It's that thick sound deadening material, which holds moisture liek a sponge, adding to (even more) rust under the scuttle

Also, it's an early sunroof model with no air con - suggesting it could have the homologation water spray kit in the boot!

[markcoznottz]

don logan said:

wolfie28 said:

On my bucket list but prices over the past few years have seen this iconic car move out of range of what I can afford. When I go to car meets/events it is one of the few cars I always stop and look around at length with envious eyes. Would be interesting to compare to my Mitsi Evo 6 TME.

As previously mentioned, I’ve had a 16v Integrale and a 1991 EVO 1

I’ve also owned an EVO 6 GSR which I bought new in 1999 which I sold to buy an EVO 6 RSX (which I still own and have modified a bit) and I own an EVO 7 RS

When I went for my first test drive in the EVO 6 I didn’t feel good about the fact that it was based on a saloon car, was confused by the lack of switchgear and instrumentation, it had a speedo, rev counter, fuel gauge and water temp, that was it, no oil temp, no volt meter, no boost gauge and not many switches at all

What struck me the first time I drove the 6 was the steering didn’t do much just off centre, I was quite disappointed with that but once you get past that it was pretty sharp (my 7RS has the sharpest, fastest steering I’ve ever known)

The Intergtale felt shorter and quicker to react, the suspension felt much more subtle, it soaked up bumps far better on B roads

The EVO 6 brakes were in a different league but ironically I’ve now upgraded them!

Because my Integrale EVO ran so much boost the EVO 6 didn’t feel faster but would have been far faster than a standard Integrale!

I kind of fell in love and I am still in love with the machine like, TOTAL focus of the EVO 5/6/7, NOTHING about it is for anything it doesn’t need!

I LOVE the basic interior, sometimes I open and close the centre console to feel the lightness (stness) of it and it makes me smile, same with the fact that my cars don’t have vanity mirrors under the visors!

They are VERY different in every way, I REALLY REALLY want another Integrale EVO but in no way could it compete with an standard EVO 5/6/7 and they aren’t soulless, it’s just a different soul, UTTER Japanese focus

Edited by don logan on Thursday 28th November 00:48

Edited by don logan on Thursday 28th November 00:56

Brembo brake set up on evo 5-6 staggeringly powerful. Best feature of these cars.

[don logan]

[quote=wolfie28]

Thanks for the reply and comparison. Would love to see an Integrale sitting in my garage next to the Evo 6 but barring a lottery win it sadly isn't going to happen. I love my Evo 6 TME, which is highly modded and an absolute joy to drive. I'm sure the Integrale would be too.
[/quote

I’m sure it would be a joy to drive at 6/10ths, the thing that STILL amazes me 20yrs later is how the EVO 6 comes alive above 7/10ths!

I have a couple of RS Renaults too and I think they would make the Integrale feel quite dated, saying that I STILL REALLY want another regardless of outright performance and handling

Another thing I didn’t enjoy coming from Integrale to EVO 6, tge EVO 6 steering is too light!

Oh and pedal position in the Integrale was great too

[Pereldh]

andrewcliffe said:

Well the Fiat / Lancia twin-cam engine has quite a pedigree over the years with wins in both rallying and circuit racing with 20 year gap between its first world championship with and its last. Introduced in road trim in 1966 and finally withdrawn in 1998. It has been used in variety of capacities from 1.4 turbo to 2.1 supercharged. Used in Fiat, Lancia, Alfa Romeo, Morgan, FSO and LaForza road cars as well.

Fiat
1972 World Rally Champion Fiat 124 Abarth
1977-80 World Rally Champion Fiat 131

Lancia
1979-81 World Endurance Champions - Montecarlo Turbo
1982 - several race wins in Group 6 racing before Group C introduced.
1983 World Rally Champion with 037
1987-92 World Rally Champion six years running with the Delta HF4WD, Integrale 8v, Integrale 16v

Alfa Romeo
1994 155 BTCC car used head from a 155Q4, The 155 Q4 used a Integrale engine

Edited by andrewcliffe on Wednesday 27th November 12:00

You accidently forgot the most powerful edition of the engine - Delta S4 which in some cases had it's boost turned up to around 800bhp in the final wars of Group B 1985-1986.
Essentially a Lancia 037 with 4WD, additional turbo and a silouette Delta body of course.

Overall - the Lampredi/Abarth Fiat 16V was really an engine of it's own, spanning from 1974 in the Fiat 124 Spider Abarth Rally to the Lancia Delta S4 in 1986. It did share the block with the "normal" Lampredi twincam 1966-1998.

The roadgoing 16V head premiered in 1989 in both Delta Integrale 16V and Lancia Thema 16V Turbo.
This was a much more modern construction with hydraulic tappets etc etc.

Edited by Pereldh on Friday 29th November 10:53

[viggyp]

Pereldh said:

andrewcliffe said:

Well the Fiat / Lancia twin-cam engine has quite a pedigree over the years with wins in both rallying and circuit racing with 20 year gap between its first world championship with and its last. Introduced in road trim in 1966 and finally withdrawn in 1998. It has been used in variety of capacities from 1.4 turbo to 2.1 supercharged. Used in Fiat, Lancia, Alfa Romeo, Morgan, FSO and LaForza road cars as well.

Fiat
1972 World Rally Champion Fiat 124 Abarth
1977-80 World Rally Champion Fiat 131

Lancia
1979-81 World Endurance Champions - Montecarlo Turbo
1982 - several race wins in Group 6 racing before Group C introduced.
1983 World Rally Champion with 037
1987-92 World Rally Champion six years running with the Delta HF4WD, Integrale 8v, Integrale 16v

Alfa Romeo
1994 155 BTCC car used head from a 155Q4, The 155 Q4 used a Integrale engine

Edited by andrewcliffe on Wednesday 27th November 12:00

You accidently forgot the most powerful edition of the engine - Delta S4 which in some cases had it's boost turned up to around 800bhp in the final wars of Group B 1985-1986.
Essentially a Lancia 037 with 4WD, additional turbo and a silouette Delta body of course.

Overall - the Lampredi/Abarth Fiat 16V was really an engine of it's own, spanning from 1974 in the Fiat 124 Spider Abarth Rally to the Lancia Delta S4 in 1986. It did share the block with the "normal" Lampredi twincam 1966-1998.

The roadgoing 16V head premiered in 1989 in both Delta Integrale 16V and Lancia Thema 16V Turbo.
This was a much more modern construction with hydraulic tappets etc etc.

Edited by Pereldh on Friday 29th November 10:53

I think the S4 was left out as it didn't win a World Championship. I bet not many people realise that the Lampredi TC premiered in the 124 coupe and then later the saloon which as we all know, ended up as the Lada Riva which is the butt of many jokes.

Imagine, asking a young car nut what family ties does the 124 have with the Integrale? I bet a large percentage won't know but then again I wouldn't expect them to know unless they're really into Italian cars.

Edited by viggyp on Friday 29th November 11:21