RE: Lancia Delta Integrale Evo 1 | Spotted

RE: Lancia Delta Integrale Evo 1 | Spotted

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Pereldh

537 posts

111 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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viggyp said:
I think the S4 was left out as it didn't win a World Championship. I bet not many people realise that the Lampredi TC premiered in the 124 coupe and then later the saloon which as we all know, ended up as the Lada Riva which is the butt of many jokes.

Imagine, asking a young car nut what family ties does the 124 have with the Integrale? I bet a large percentage won't know but then again I wouldn't expect them to know unless they're really into Italian cars.

Edited by viggyp on Friday 29th November 11:21
You're obviously more knowledgable than most in this subject, but it actually premiered in the 124 Spider first, then in the Fiat 125 which was a Fiat 1300/1500 floorpan with the centre part of the 124 body placed on it, with unique front and rear. And a 1608cc twincam smile.

But yes, later there was also twincam 124 saloon's. the 124 Special T.

Well the Delta S4 didn't win the '86 WRC for one single reason - the team top driver Henri Toivonen died. They were leading the championship.
It was arguably the absolute fastest car in the Group B and even won it's premier rally, late 1985 in the RAC Rally.


Edited by Pereldh on Friday 29th November 13:08

viggyp

1,917 posts

134 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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Pereldh said:
viggyp said:
I think the S4 was left out as it didn't win a World Championship. I bet not many people realise that the Lampredi TC premiered in the 124 coupe and then later the saloon which as we all know, ended up as the Lada Riva which is the butt of many jokes.

Imagine, asking a young car nut what family ties does the 124 have with the Integrale? I bet a large percentage won't know but then again I wouldn't expect them to know unless they're really into Italian cars.

Edited by viggyp on Friday 29th November 11:21
You're obviously more knowledgable than most in this subject, but it actually premiered in the 124 Spider first, then in the Fiat 125 which was a Fiat 1300/1500 floorpan with the centre part of the 124 body placed on it, with unique front and rear. And a 1608cc twincam smile.

But yes, later there was also twincam 124 saloon's. the 124 Special T.

Well the Delta S4 didn't win the '86 WRC for one single reason - the team top driver Henri Toivonen died.
It was arguably the absolute fastest car in the Group B and even won it's premier rally, late 1985 in the RAC Rally.
I'm a moron...I actually meant to type the spider, not coupe although I didn't realise that the lump went into 125 before the 124 saloon. I have both of Phil Ward's Fiat Twin Cam books (Twin Cam Italia being one) so I should've known.

Yeah, the Delta S4 was just crazy and the deaths of Toivonen and Cresto was just awful.

firebird350

322 posts

179 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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The Lancia Delta S4 ran a supercharged AND turbocharged 1.8 litre version of the Lampredi twin cam together with a bypass arrangement which allowed the supercharger to 'hand the performance baton' over to the turbocharger higher up the rev range.

Power output of this engine was highly variable thanks to certain WRC rallies where competing cars were allowed to run fuels with higher than normal octane ratings whereas other individual rally regulations mandated the use of normal pump fuel - which could also vary depending on the pump fuel rating in the country concerned.

There's an anecdote from one of the official Lancia works drivers (can't remember which) who recounted the tale of he and his co-driver standing alongside their S4 while the Lancia- Abarth mechanics were making adjustments to the car with the engine at a fast idle. After two minutes they had to walk away as the fumes building up around the car were causing their eyes to sting and water.

Rocket fuel?! Hardly but there were all sorts of 'potions' powering top-flight rally cars during the 'madness' of Group B rallying. Crazy, wonderful period!

bloomen

6,845 posts

158 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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firebird350 said:
Rocket fuel?! Hardly but there were all sorts of 'potions' powering top-flight rally cars during the 'madness' of Group B rallying. Crazy, wonderful period!
One mechanic I spoke to who was around in the WRC at the time reckoned Lancia hid 'special substances' in the S4's roll cage. Maybe he was just a sore loser.

I remember seeing shots of people fuelling group A Deltas with face masks on so I guess the rocket fuel carried on for a while.

deltashad

6,731 posts

196 months

Saturday 30th November 2019
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I paid 5k for an 8v 20 years ago. Then in 2007 bought an evo2 for 11k. I think these must have been close to their lowest values, although I remember seeing a few evo2s around the 9k mark. It's been a great investment but that's not why I bought them. I took the car to garage to have rot removed but ended up needing a complete strip down and bare metal respray. I'll take this car to the grave. Its risky buying one now which hasn't been completely stripped down. The hfwd would be on my wish list but the days of picking one up for 4k are long gone.

Equus

16,767 posts

100 months

Saturday 30th November 2019
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bloomen said:
One mechanic I spoke to who was around in the WRC at the time reckoned Lancia hid 'special substances' in the S4's roll cage. Maybe he was just a sore loser.
The rumour that the S4's roll cage was filled with nitrous oxide is well known, and has been around for a very long time.

As far as I'm aware, it's just that - a rumour. There has never been any evidence provided, much less proof.

soad

32,825 posts

175 months

Sunday 1st December 2019
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Equus said:
bloomen said:
One mechanic I spoke to who was around in the WRC at the time reckoned Lancia hid 'special substances' in the S4's roll cage. Maybe he was just a sore loser.
The rumour that the S4's roll cage was filled with nitrous oxide is well known, and has been around for a very long time.

As far as I'm aware, it's just that - a rumour. There has never been any evidence provided, much less proof.
Came across this today, simply by browsing. Look at #5: https://petrolicious.com/articles/6-unbelievable-r...

viggyp

1,917 posts

134 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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My RAC mate had to attend to a Lagos Blue Evo 2 over the weekend. That and a yellow one are my dream colours.

I remember reading that when developing the S4, the top brass said to Fiat/Lancia rally and Alfa Corse touring car test driver Giorgio Pianta to go faster even when Pianta said he couldn't. Anyway, he did as asked and the crew wondered where he went. In the distance they saw him walking back with the steering wheel in hand asking him what happened? He said "you wanted me to go faster!" laugh

I met Giorgio about 16-17 years back and I asked him was it true that there was meant to be a Fiat Ritmo/Strada Abarth 170TC with a 16v cylinder head? He said that he didn't think there was one but couldn't be 100% sure.

Pereldh

537 posts

111 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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viggyp said:
I met Giorgio about 16-17 years back and I asked him was it true that there was meant to be a Fiat Ritmo/Strada Abarth 170TC with a 16v cylinder head? He said that he didn't think there was one but couldn't be 100% sure.
Well the Delta was built on the Ritmo/Strada platform so it would make sense in that way, on the other hand: the 16V head was presented in 1989 when the all new Tipo had been for sale for a full year (Ritmo stopped production in 1987) so probably just a rumour after all...

Of course the Tipo did get this engine in NA form, while the Fiat Coupe got the 16V Turbo.

viggyp

1,917 posts

134 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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Pereldh said:
viggyp said:
I met Giorgio about 16-17 years back and I asked him was it true that there was meant to be a Fiat Ritmo/Strada Abarth 170TC with a 16v cylinder head? He said that he didn't think there was one but couldn't be 100% sure.
Well the Delta was built on the Ritmo/Strada platform so it would make sense in that way, on the other hand: the 16V head was presented in 1989 when the all new Tipo had been for sale for a full year (Ritmo stopped production in 1987) so probably just a rumour after all...

Of course the Tipo did get this engine in NA form, while the Fiat Coupe got the 16V Turbo.
To be honest, I was thinking more along the lines of the 16v head from the 124/131 Abarth rather than the reverse port version but that makes sense as that was a newer version.

GialloEvoII

52 posts

233 months

Sunday 5th January 2020
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I am fortunate enough to own a couple of delta's.

A Giallo I have owned for 20 years and a Martini Rally car that I use on a regular basis for tarmac events in Europe and the UK

F1GTRUeno

6,335 posts

217 months

Monday 6th January 2020
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My reception teacher had one whilst I was still in primary school and I remember her turning up in it like it was yesterday.

I got into rally when McRae won the title as a 5 year old so only really knew about Delta's from Sega Rally so I was a few years removed from reception at the time but then Mrs. Randall turned up one day in a bright red Integrale Evo and my god when I got outside for playtime it stopped me playing because on the playground you could just stare down at the teacher's cars from the side and I was utterly in love with it.

I don't think I've ever seen another in real life besides at Cars and Coffee Liverpool.

They're phenomenally cool and phenomenally good looking things. Would be a dream to be a passenger in one being driven properly.

Edited by F1GTRUeno on Monday 6th January 23:19

nikaiyo2

4,670 posts

194 months

Wednesday 11th August 2021
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Had a Black 16V with Evo headlights.
In 2001 - 2003
When I was 21ish and skint.
Wise combo that is.

It sometimes had a bit of an issue, where the lights and windscreen wipers could not be used at the same time. :P
Then about a week after spending a load of money on the MOT the engine died, sold it for £995 frown

Epic car, fabulous, loved every second of it.