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bcr5784 said:
talksthetorque said:
Surely it can’t be only me who matches speed in traffic or does a motorway overtake by increasing and decreasing cruise speed, and switching it off and on.
Why would you do it that way rather than using the right hand pedal? Is it really easier? Anything that encourages a driver to reduce his concentration over the job in hand is, imo, a bad thing. A reminder - whether it be a beep or speed limiter - I can countenance, though, to be honest, I'd hope my concentration level didn't need one. (Regretably sometimes I get lazy too).DoubleD said:
bcr5784 said:
talksthetorque said:
Surely it can’t be only me who matches speed in traffic or does a motorway overtake by increasing and decreasing cruise speed, and switching it off and on.
Why would you do it that way rather than using the right hand pedal? Is it really easier? Anything that encourages a driver to reduce his concentration over the job in hand is, imo, a bad thing. A reminder - whether it be a beep or speed limiter - I can countenance, though, to be honest, I'd hope my concentration level didn't need one. (Regretably sometimes I get lazy too).When using cruise I don't hover my foot over the accelerator/brake. I rest my foot on the floor or wheelarch.
But I do tend to have my fingers at the right place for the Cruise Controls.
Normally long distance cruising my hands are at twenty-to-four, which is where a lot of cruise stalks are, particularly VAG products
Now I'm in a Volvo they're on the wheel spoke, but its still not far.
Miserablegit said:
Well, in light of the various discussions as to what constitutes a sports car I spent considerable time on the train this morning to come up with a scientific method of determining what constitutes a sports car - It is, as yet, unproven...
That's good fun 
. My Golf 7.5 GTI P ... 18 points. Works --- mildly sporty. Could use a couple of tweaks though. Points for rear / mid engine? Points for transaxles? LSD? To make this really useful we'd need to look a the quality of the handling and subjective stuff such like steering feel. But interesting little game -- ty!DoubleD said:
bcr5784 said:
talksthetorque said:
Surely it can’t be only me who matches speed in traffic or does a motorway overtake by increasing and decreasing cruise speed, and switching it off and on.
Why would you do it that way rather than using the right hand pedal? Is it really easier? Anything that encourages a driver to reduce his concentration over the job in hand is, imo, a bad thing. A reminder - whether it be a beep or speed limiter - I can countenance, though, to be honest, I'd hope my concentration level didn't need one. (Regretably sometimes I get lazy too).WJNB said:
A very silly observation & one I have noted over the years made by those who have never driven a car with cruise control. Or by those who have cruise control but lack the mental capacity to understand how best to use it.
It's presence has no relationship to the sporty nature of a car yet is a boon in helping to adhere to speed limits ( how easy it is to be distracted & unintentional speed) & most of all for making constant speed driving as on motorways strain free in terms of the muscular & mental.
The same silliness is often made about automatic gearboxes again by those who have never used one of lack the mental capacity ……..
Anyone who needs cruise control to adhere to speed limits shouldn’t be driving. Similarly any automatic makes any car less involving, and has no place in a sports car. It's presence has no relationship to the sporty nature of a car yet is a boon in helping to adhere to speed limits ( how easy it is to be distracted & unintentional speed) & most of all for making constant speed driving as on motorways strain free in terms of the muscular & mental.
The same silliness is often made about automatic gearboxes again by those who have never used one of lack the mental capacity ……..
yonex said:
ericmcn said:
If I was racing a 116d they would know.....
like this ST3 driver who seemed game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsSJuvYoKEY
dont know why you continualy digging up s
tty 116ds into conversations? its not making you look any way clever in case you think it is and not everyone is a moron and drives 90mph towards roundabouts in built up cities in leased out BMWs
You got dropped by a 118d, it’s funny. The topic is ‘sports cars’.like this ST3 driver who seemed game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsSJuvYoKEY
dont know why you continualy digging up s
tty 116ds into conversations? its not making you look any way clever in case you think it is and not everyone is a moron and drives 90mph towards roundabouts in built up cities in leased out BMWsYou’ve never owned one. HTH
tty BMWs in the countryside, old and new - its just too easy. If I put them all onto a clip YT would run out of 'dislikes'Miserablegit said:
blueg33 said:
Good start - but note that some of the new auto paddle shift torque converter boxes shift faster than twin clutch boxes. Also you havent got a score for a robotised manual eg Ferrari F1 box.
But I like it, if I have time tonight Ill turn it into a spread sheet then we can test it
Just did a trial run using these
evora f360 MG midget ferrari 488 911 audi a5 d
The only ones less than 15.5 were the Midget and the A5 diesel (thats because the A5 has a negative number)
Evora 400 - 18.86666667
Ferrari 360 - 18.93333333
Mg Midget - 5.866666667
Ferrari 488 - 28.64285714
991 s - 39.85714286
A5 3.0 tdi - -0.993243243
So Midget = sports car, Evora and 360 nearly sports cars, 488 and 911 definitely not, A5 misses by a mile but skewed
So if the result from the initial calculation is a negative then it isn’t a sportscar before we get to part 2 or we limit part 1 to a minimum of zero which means the outcome of the division will be division by zero.But I like it, if I have time tonight Ill turn it into a spread sheet then we can test it
Just did a trial run using these
evora f360 MG midget ferrari 488 911 audi a5 d
The only ones less than 15.5 were the Midget and the A5 diesel (thats because the A5 has a negative number)
Evora 400 - 18.86666667
Ferrari 360 - 18.93333333
Mg Midget - 5.866666667
Ferrari 488 - 28.64285714
991 s - 39.85714286
A5 3.0 tdi - -0.993243243
So Midget = sports car, Evora and 360 nearly sports cars, 488 and 911 definitely not, A5 misses by a mile but skewed
Edited by blueg33 on Tuesday 10th December 18:03
Lotus must qualify so we need to tweak somehow.
Not something a clumsy as moving the limit- perhaps add more for reduced mass as that is where cars fall down these days ?
ericmcn said:
it seems lost on you, never mind. I will leave the leased out BMW fools drive like idiots in cities, they have a point to prove driving imaginary ultimate unreliable junks of driving machines I guess and dont want to be out done by a Subaru, I have overtaken a load of stty BMWs in the countryside, old and new - its just too easy. If I put them all onto a clip YT would run out of 'dislikes'
Do you think it’s the unsuspecting drivers minding their own business, only to be ‘done’ by Eric the mad on YouTube who need help, or you? tty BMWs in the countryside, old and new - its just too easy. If I put them all onto a clip YT would run out of 'dislikes'How many imaginary BMW’s do you overtake.
stickleback123 said:
yonex said:
ericmcn said:
If I was racing a 116d they would know.....
like this ST3 driver who seemed game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsSJuvYoKEY
dont know why you continualy digging up stty 116ds into conversations? its not making you look any way clever in case you think it is and not everyone is a moron and drives 90mph towards roundabouts in built up cities in leased out BMWs
You got dropped by a 118d, it’s funny. The topic is ‘sports cars’.like this ST3 driver who seemed game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsSJuvYoKEY
dont know why you continualy digging up s
tty 116ds into conversations? its not making you look any way clever in case you think it is and not everyone is a moron and drives 90mph towards roundabouts in built up cities in leased out BMWsYou’ve never owned one. HTH
t as it looks, anonymous) but a sports car it is not.Manual Box - check
Sounds amazing - check and better than all the modern nonsense with 4-cylinder weedy farty engines with loud speaker effects.
Drivetrain similar to a 911 Carrera and I could swear that’s a sports car, no?
No fancy driver aids, just ABS
~1,400kg kerb weight
decent drag coefficient of ~.28 (Caterham 7 ~ 0.66)
You will struggle to get a 6MT for 1k since the only 2 on AT now are going from 3 to 4.5k and older than what I have, but carry on.
Miserablegit said:
Well, in light of the various discussions as to what constitutes a sports car I spent considerable time on the train this morning to come up with a scientific method of determining what constitutes a sports car - It is, as yet, unproven...
It looks like this:
The initial figure is calculated on the basis of the following:
Seating:
No. of seats
Gearbox
Manual gearbox +1
Dsg 0
Auto -1
None -5
Construction Material
Carbon Composite +2
Alloy +1
Plastic composite 0
Steel -1
Mass
Less than 1t +4
1-1.2t +3
1.2-1.4t +1
1.4-5t 0
More -1
Driven wheels
Rwd +3
Fwd +1
Awd 0 and if you have to ask it’s -2
Motive power
Fuel
Petrol +4
Diesel -100
EV -100
Electronic malarkey
Abs 0
Lane departure -1
Radar cruise -1
Facebook integration -50
Headlamp washers -1
Engine layout
V8 +4
V12 +1
6 pot +3
4 pot +2
Total all of that up and then divide the BHP per tonne by that figure.
If the result is less than 15.5 then it's a sportscar.
I just tried this for my "sportier" car, a BMW Z4 Coupe and it came out around 17.2. It looks like this:
The initial figure is calculated on the basis of the following:
Seating:
No. of seats
Gearbox
Manual gearbox +1
Dsg 0
Auto -1
None -5
Construction Material
Carbon Composite +2
Alloy +1
Plastic composite 0
Steel -1
Mass
Less than 1t +4
1-1.2t +3
1.2-1.4t +1
1.4-5t 0
More -1
Driven wheels
Rwd +3
Fwd +1
Awd 0 and if you have to ask it’s -2
Motive power
Fuel
Petrol +4
Diesel -100
EV -100
Electronic malarkey
Abs 0
Lane departure -1
Radar cruise -1
Facebook integration -50
Headlamp washers -1
Engine layout
V8 +4
V12 +1
6 pot +3
4 pot +2
Total all of that up and then divide the BHP per tonne by that figure.
If the result is less than 15.5 then it's a sportscar.
- might need the odd tweak!
Then I did it again for my daily (E90 330i) and it came out at 12.8.
Mainly because it has more seats, is a bit less powerful and heavier!
Maybe change the number of seats so that 1 seat is +3, 2 is +1, 3 is 0, 4 is -2 and 5 is -5 - or something similar!
Then change the bhp/tonne bit as that seems to be where Ferraris, 911s, etc. get such daft numbers!
Maybe give points to be added to the running total based on bands, say from 150 bhp/tonne to 170 bhp/tonne, 171 to 190, etc.
Interesting idea though.
ericmcn said:
I never said it was a sports car, but it ticks quite a few of the prerequisites for a sports car itself, even if you would rather spontaneously combust than agree with any of them
Manual Box - check
Sounds amazing - check and better than all the modern nonsense with 4-cylinder weedy farty engines with loud speaker effects.
Drivetrain similar to a 911 Carrera and I could swear that’s a sports car, no?
No fancy driver aids, just ABS
~1,400kg kerb weight
decent drag coefficient of ~.28 (Caterham 7 ~ 0.66)
You will struggle to get a 6MT for 1k since the only 2 on AT now are going from 3 to 4.5k and older than what I have, but carry on.
Dear God, where to start Manual Box - check
Sounds amazing - check and better than all the modern nonsense with 4-cylinder weedy farty engines with loud speaker effects.
Drivetrain similar to a 911 Carrera and I could swear that’s a sports car, no?
No fancy driver aids, just ABS
~1,400kg kerb weight
decent drag coefficient of ~.28 (Caterham 7 ~ 0.66)
You will struggle to get a 6MT for 1k since the only 2 on AT now are going from 3 to 4.5k and older than what I have, but carry on.
My BMW is rwd, therefore I claim it’s an F1 derivative.
Do you ever visit planet Earth Eric?
yonex said:
Do you think it’s the unsuspecting drivers minding their own business, only to be ‘done’ by Eric the mad on YouTube who need help, or you?
How many imaginary BMW’s do you overtake.
Plenty, there was a white derv this morning -- now you see it, now you dont....if it was any way quicker it would be the one overtaking 40mph zombie - You probably have seen the other zombie clips I uploaded, quite a few BMWs on them also if you look closely.How many imaginary BMW’s do you overtake.
https://youtu.be/oB2Q6frT2zA
You drive a 320d, a Subaru Legacy is 100% more of a 'sports' car than that thing will ever be, that we can all agree on.;)
The fact you are so keen to reply to my posts and have lazer sharp gps honing in on everything I say doesn’t say much about what it is you ever do with yourself every day, if you drove something more interesting itself it may help rather than a Subaru causing you such apparent grief.
yonex said:
Dear God, where to start
My BMW is rwd, therefore I claim it’s an F1 derivative.
Do you ever visit planet Earth Eric?
How about starting at your diesel engine failing at the first hurdle of this topic, that would be pretty good, and less of your gibberish about planet Earth.My BMW is rwd, therefore I claim it’s an F1 derivative.
Do you ever visit planet Earth Eric?
ericmcn said:
Plenty, there was a white derv this morning -- now you see it, now you dont....if it was any way quicker it would be the one overtaking 40mph zombie - You probably have seen the other zombie clips I uploaded, quite a few BMWs on them also if you look closely.
https://youtu.be/oB2Q6frT2zA
You drive a 320d, a Subaru Legacy is 100% more of a 'sports' car than that thing will ever be, that we can all agree on.;)
if you drove something more interesting itself it may help rather than a Subaru causing you such apparent grief.
I do, and have https://youtu.be/oB2Q6frT2zA
You drive a 320d, a Subaru Legacy is 100% more of a 'sports' car than that thing will ever be, that we can all agree on.;)
if you drove something more interesting itself it may help rather than a Subaru causing you such apparent grief.
HTH
Miserablegit said:
Well, in light of the various discussions as to what constitutes a sports car I spent considerable time on the train this morning to come up with a scientific method of determining what constitutes a sports car - It is, as yet, unproven...
It looks like this:
The initial figure is calculated on the basis of the following:
Seating:
No. of seats
Gearbox
Manual gearbox +1
Dsg 0
Auto -1
None -5
Construction Material
Carbon Composite +2
Alloy +1
Plastic composite 0
Steel -1
Mass
Less than 1t +4
1-1.2t +3
1.2-1.4t +1
1.4-5t 0
More -1
Driven wheels
Rwd +3
Fwd +1
Awd 0 and if you have to ask it’s -2
Motive power
Fuel
Petrol +4
Diesel -100
EV -100
Electronic malarkey
Abs 0
Lane departure -1
Radar cruise -1
Facebook integration -50
Headlamp washers -1
Engine layout
V8 +4
V12 +1
6 pot +3
4 pot +2
Total all of that up and then divide the BHP per tonne by that figure.
If the result is less than 15.5 then it's a sportscar.
Think I've done my sums right. It looks like this:
The initial figure is calculated on the basis of the following:
Seating:
No. of seats
Gearbox
Manual gearbox +1
Dsg 0
Auto -1
None -5
Construction Material
Carbon Composite +2
Alloy +1
Plastic composite 0
Steel -1
Mass
Less than 1t +4
1-1.2t +3
1.2-1.4t +1
1.4-5t 0
More -1
Driven wheels
Rwd +3
Fwd +1
Awd 0 and if you have to ask it’s -2
Motive power
Fuel
Petrol +4
Diesel -100
EV -100
Electronic malarkey
Abs 0
Lane departure -1
Radar cruise -1
Facebook integration -50
Headlamp washers -1
Engine layout
V8 +4
V12 +1
6 pot +3
4 pot +2
Total all of that up and then divide the BHP per tonne by that figure.
If the result is less than 15.5 then it's a sportscar.
- might need the odd tweak!
15.47 for my Elise 250 Cup.
Just a sports car.
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