MOT expired 6 days before van break in

MOT expired 6 days before van break in

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scottydoesntknow

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860 posts

57 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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Durzel said:
Can’t imagine FO finding in favour of an insco disclaiming full liability for a claim for an MOT less than a week expired (or at all, really)
Just spoken with them (thanks SS2), they didn’t sound too positive about it.

scottydoesntknow

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AndyDRZ said:
Were you on holiday from before the MOT ran out?

If so, how do you know that it was broken into after the MOT ran out? You were not there... could have been anytime

The neighbour might have been confused when they said "it happened on Monday" they might have meant the Monday before. Just before the MOT ran out.
A neighbour rang me. I reported it to the police so the crime is logged and dated. Assumed it was a typical Transit tibbe no damage break in. Wasn’t until I got back that I saw 5 doors crowbarred.

SS2.

14,462 posts

238 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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scottydoesntknow said:
Durzel said:
Can’t imagine FO finding in favour of an insco disclaiming full liability for a claim for an MOT less than a week expired (or at all, really)
Just spoken with them (thanks SS2), they didn’t sound too positive about it.
In what respect were they 'not too positive' ?

Durzel

12,267 posts

168 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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They may well try and get out of it based on their T&Cs, but I can’t see how the ombudsman wouldn’t decide that it’s unreasonable and not in any way proximate to the particulars of the claim.

You may end up having to fight it though, unfortunately, as you are probably strictly speaking in breach of the terms.

scottydoesntknow

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Friday 29th November 2019
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Sheepshanks said:
Oh. Forget that then - I was hoping you were going to say it was off the road.

Is it normal to leave £K's of tools in a van parked on the road - especially when you're away? I thought the drill (no pun intended) was stuff was removed overnight.
Point taken. Busy terraced residential street with CCTV. Parked under a lamppost. Deadlocks, alarm, van vault. I haven’t really got anywhere else to put stuff. Small 1 bed flat. They did 6 vans that I know of over the weekend.

scottydoesntknow

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SS2. said:
In what respect were they 'not too positive' ?
Because it’s stipulated in the T&C’s

Durzel said:
They may well try and get out of it based on their T&Cs, but I can’t see how the ombudsman wouldn’t decide that it’s unreasonable and not in any way proximate to the particulars of the claim.

You may end up having to fight it though, unfortunately, as you are probably strictly speaking in breach of the terms.
Waiting on a call back from the underwriter. I think procedure is official complaint. Wait for official response and then try the ombudsman.

SS2.

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238 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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Section 4 might be worth a read.

Weekendrebuild

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63 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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Was it stolen during day time? As tools usually aren’t covered if left in vehicles over night ?

scottydoesntknow

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Weekendrebuild said:
Was it stolen during day time? As tools usually aren’t covered if left in vehicles over night ?
It was evening. The tools weren’t covered anyway. It’s the damage to the van I’m trying to claim for. 5 doors crowbarred open. It’s a £4k Transit. It’s a write off.

scottydoesntknow

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Friday 29th November 2019
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SS2. said:
Section 4 might be worth a read.
Excellent, thankyou.

SouthHamsGaz

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123 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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What they write in their policy and what rules they have to abide by are 2 completely separate things.

When my old mk1 GTI was written off by fire whilst out of MOT the insurers tried to deny my claim. They quickly changed their tune when threatened with the ombudsman, given a valid MOT was completely irrelevant to the the claim.

Should an accident as a direct result of a faulty car be involved they may have a point, but in my case and yours it has zero relevance to the outcome.

Write them a letter outlining their obligations to cover you, set out in the insurance industry regulations under the FCA, and failure to do so will result in the ombudsman being involved.

Edited by SouthHamsGaz on Friday 29th November 17:34

scottydoesntknow

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Friday 29th November 2019
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Hoping for a decent outcome. I’ve emailed them officially to complain and sent them the link that SS2 kindly provided. They’ve said they’ll review it and come back to me.

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

224 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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scottydoesntknow said:
Weekendrebuild said:
Was it stolen during day time? As tools usually aren’t covered if left in vehicles over night ?
It was evening. The tools weren’t covered anyway. It’s the damage to the van I’m trying to claim for. 5 doors crowbarred open. It’s a £4k Transit. It’s a write off.
Did you have slam locks? I.e. The after market bolt on external type? If so it would be good if you could upload any photos as to the strength (or not? ) of these.

Edited by markcoznottz on Friday 29th November 18:22

scottydoesntknow

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markcoznottz said:
Did you have slam locks?
Deadlocks yes.

markcoznottz

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Friday 29th November 2019
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scottydoesntknow said:
markcoznottz said:
Did you have slam locks?
Deadlocks yes.

Interesting. I've got an arma d slide lock on my back doors, several attempts have been made but it's held up so far.

A1VDY

3,575 posts

127 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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AndyDRZ said:
Were you on holiday from before the MOT ran out?

If so, how do you know that it was broken into after the MOT ran out? You were not there... could have been anytime

The neighbour might have been confused when they said "it happened on Monday" they might have meant the Monday before. Just before the MOT ran out.
Of course, the van was broken into while it still had mot. I'm sure the neighbour could confirm..

Teddy Lop

8,294 posts

67 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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scottydoesntknow said:
Point taken. Busy terraced residential street with CCTV. Parked under a lamppost. Deadlocks, alarm, van vault. I haven’t really got anywhere else to put stuff. Small 1 bed flat. They did 6 vans that I know of over the weekend.
that's pretty bad if you had deadbolts etc but I've heard of gangs going round with firemens cutting/ hydralic prising equipment and there's fk all you do to stop that. Except a police/courts that works..

Dunno what you do but I get 5k of tool cover through trade body (niceic in my case) pretty competitively in a combined liability policy.

BTW mot exemption is utter BS, fight it, that should get laughed out of court.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

118 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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Jesus - Insurance companies can be complete ass holes.

I hope you get a positive outcome, if not, be sure to fight, and if required report to Ombudsman.
I can't see a reasonable Ombudsman decision not falling in your favour.

CoolHands

18,633 posts

195 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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Rule 1 always check your insurance details before informing insurance company or police otherwise you get stiffed and the actual criminals continue to live the life of riley

Durzel

12,267 posts

168 months

Saturday 30th November 2019
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A1VDY said:
AndyDRZ said:
Were you on holiday from before the MOT ran out?

If so, how do you know that it was broken into after the MOT ran out? You were not there... could have been anytime

The neighbour might have been confused when they said "it happened on Monday" they might have meant the Monday before. Just before the MOT ran out.
Of course, the van was broken into while it still had mot. I'm sure the neighbour could confirm..
Yeah definitely a good idea to get embroiled in insurance fraud when you’ve already made conflicting representations on recorded phone calls.