Left turns accross Cycle Lanes

Left turns accross Cycle Lanes

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RemyMartin81D

5,178 posts

153 months

Tuesday
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Newdriver2019 said:
kharma45 said:
Would you cut across if there was a car on the lane on the inside? What a stupid question.
Thanks for taking the time out to replt, but to say "What a stupid question." is nonsense. If it was a stupid question I would have a stream of replies saying either yes the law has changed or no the law didnt change. There seems to be a mixed selection of replies.

So what was your answer, motor vehicles have priority over cycles (so cyclists should slow and wait if a motorist is turning turn across a cycle lane or as you seem to suggest, motor vehicles should wait and as you say, not cut across?
The answer has been posted by PF62. You give way to vehicles in a cycle lane.

Its in the highway code. Ignore it if you want to, but be aware thats in black and white text in an official document/book.

Gareth79

4,611 posts

194 months

Tuesday
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Newdriver2019 said:
So what was your answer, motor vehicles have priority over cycles (so cyclists should slow and wait if a motorist is turning turn across a cycle lane or as you seem to suggest, motor vehicles should wait and as you say, not cut across?
As mentioned the only time a motor vehicle would have priority is where the cyclist has a give-way sign, otherwise I'd think it's obvious that if you are crossing the established path of another road user you give way to them?

Weekendrebuild

598 posts

11 months

Tuesday
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I agree to give way to cyclist on cycle path. Definitely there right of way, however

Had a rather amusing incident on the dash cam of the Westfield last year cyclist straight thru red light walloped by Mercedes ml going across the junction He gets of the floor remonstrating with the rather upset lady driver,language was colourful .

I had to haul myself as dignified as possible out the westy to kindly point out my dashcam footage . An ask him if he understands the use of a traffic signal . Proper Lycra clad Prick .

aclivity

4,024 posts

136 months

Tuesday
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I have a simple rule when I am on a bike - If the car is indicating then I wait behind, otherwise I carry on.

Of course I get caught out by late indicators, or those who choose to not indicate before they turn. I have a loud voice that tends to work most times. Thus far I haven't been caught by a car, but the cyclist in front of me has. I stopped and made sure he was OK, lady driving felt awful but the cyclist just wanted to go. I tried to get him to get her name and address but he left after he got up.

In a car I follow the highway code.

R.Sole

10,462 posts

154 months

Tuesday
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rockin said:
deckster said:
Morally, it's beyond fking obvious that if there's a bike there then you wait until they're clear.
Or perhaps if the cyclist sees a left indicator he/she might have the sense to identify a vehicle turning left. After all, buses in bus lanes seem able to manage exactly the same thing without getting all uppity about it.
Maybe do more cycling and less typing! wink

BMWBen

4,687 posts

149 months

Tuesday
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Weekendrebuild said:
I agree to give way to cyclist on cycle path. Definitely there right of way, however

Had a rather amusing incident on the dash cam of the Westfield last year cyclist straight thru red light walloped by Mercedes ml going across the junction He gets of the floor remonstrating with the rather upset lady driver,language was colourful .

I had to haul myself as dignified as possible out the westy to kindly point out my dashcam footage . An ask him if he understands the use of a traffic signal . Proper Lycra clad Prick .
Cool story. This one time I witnessed a car driver breaking the rules too. Can you believe it?

deckster

4,646 posts

203 months

Tuesday
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Newdriver2019 said:
kharma45 said:
Would you cut across if there was a car on the lane on the inside? What a stupid question.
Thanks for taking the time out to replt, but to say "What a stupid question." is nonsense.
No. The reason it's a stupid question is that the legality is irrelevant. A competent driver will be aware of the cyclist and will make allowances - which means allowing them to continue on their journey without being squashed. Arguing about who had priority marks you out as both incompetent and petty.

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

22,709 posts

183 months

Tuesday
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deckster said:
Newdriver2019 said:
kharma45 said:
Would you cut across if there was a car on the lane on the inside? What a stupid question.
Thanks for taking the time out to replt, but to say "What a stupid question." is nonsense.
No. The reason it's a stupid question is that the legality is irrelevant. A competent driver will be aware of the cyclist and will make allowances - which means allowing them to continue on their journey without being squashed. Arguing about who had priority marks you out as both incompetent and petty.
Come off the fence & say what you mean hehe

Weekendrebuild

598 posts

11 months

Tuesday
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BMWBen said:
Cool story. This one time I witnessed a car driver breaking the rules too. Can you believe it?
Glad to entertain Ben , don’t let life get you down, hang in there .

jesusbuiltmycar

3,686 posts

202 months

Wednesday
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S100HP said:
DaveH23 said:
deckster said:
Legally, it will depend on the road markings.

Morally, it's beyond fking obvious that if there's a bike there then you wait until they're clear.
This.

See the video in the following article. Previously traffic had right if way but they changed it earlier this year to give cyclists right of way.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chroniclelive.co....
Southampton has quite a few bits of infrastructure like this now. It's shocking how many people seem to struggle with it.
Second Avenue immediately springs to mind...

boyse7en

3,949 posts

113 months

Wednesday
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BMWBen said:
Cool story. This one time I witnessed a car driver breaking the rules too. Can you believe it?
No, i don't believe it. Have you got dashcam footage?

Miserablegit

919 posts

57 months

Wednesday
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Difference is one is normally in the left hand lane when turning left and so isn't cutting across traffic.
Buses etc aren't going for their strava quickest segments and are a tad more visible than a cyclist.
I saw a clown today ride down the inside of a car on High Holborn- car had stopped after indicating and commencing the turn to allow pedestrians on the road he was turing into to complete crossing (I know, I know, he should have sounded his horn and run them over in the way some cyclists do...)
Cyclist came up behind and rather than go around outside of car he thought he'd risk the inside - Fortunately the driver saw him but could easily have completed his turn and run the guy over.

Wooda80

1,423 posts

23 months

Wednesday
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People are quite rightly comparing the situation to "what if it was 2 cars rather than a car and a bike"

Whilst there a million different permutations and possibilities that can be imagined, in most cases where 2 cars are involved the practical result is that where there is no clear give way line cars will see each others' signals and regulate speed and / or direction to allow the smooth passage of both vehicles.

You can't rely on a cyclist to do that.

That could be down to a lack of training, experience and awareness or it could be down to militant bloodymindedness but that's not important here.

So the only answer can be that as a trained, experienced and aware driver if you think that your manoeuvre might cause a cyclist to collide with you then best to stop and let them make their mistake without consequences.

julian64

12,894 posts

202 months

Wednesday
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So I am cycling down a cycle lane and In front there is a car which is slowing and the indicator is on to turn left.

Do I

1) keep going and hope left indicating car has seen me and is waiting for me to pass first
2) slow up and stop even though I have right of way as per the highway code.

Anyone who answers (1) either has little or no experience of the roads, or is the sort of road warrior who will eventually come to grief and spend their time typing rubbish on PH cycle forums.

I wouldn't do (1) on a bicycle, motorcycle or car, and really not understanding the mentality of anyone else who would.

gazza285

5,400 posts

156 months

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jamei303

2,042 posts

104 months

Wednesday
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julian64 said:
So I am cycling down a cycle lane and In front there is a car which is slowing and the indicator is on to turn left.

Do I

1) keep going and hope left indicating car has seen me and is waiting for me to pass first
2) slow up and stop even though I have right of way as per the highway code.

Anyone who answers (1) either has little or no experience of the roads, or is the sort of road warrior who will eventually come to grief and spend their time typing rubbish on PH cycle forums.

I wouldn't do (1) on a bicycle, motorcycle or car, and really not understanding the mentality of anyone else who would.
The answer is 3) keep going and pass the car on its right, as you would any other slow vehicle you want to overtake.

chow pan toon

11,656 posts

185 months

Wednesday
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Miserablegit said:
Difference is one is normally in the left hand lane when turning left and so isn't cutting across traffic.
Apart from where one has a cycle lane to one's left as in the situation one is commenting on. Then one would be potentially turning across the cycling traffic in the process of making the left turn one is attempting. Unless one has missed the point and one is assuming cycles aren't traffic.

Miserablegit

919 posts

57 months

Wednesday
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chow pan toon said:
Apart from where one has a cycle lane to one's left as in the situation one is commenting on. Then one would be potentially turning across the cycling traffic in the process of making the left turn one is attempting. Unless one has missed the point and one is assuming cycles aren't traffic.
If we accept cycles are traffic then they are bound by the same rules that apply to other traffic. I don't undertake cars turning left in front of me.

jamei303

2,042 posts

104 months

Wednesday
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Miserablegit said:
If we accept cycles are traffic then they are bound by the same rules that apply to other traffic. I don't undertake cars turning left in front of me.
What rules are those? The same ones that say buses in a bus lane can't undertake cars? scratchchin

BMWBen

4,687 posts

149 months

Wednesday
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julian64 said:
So I am cycling down a cycle lane and In front there is a car which is slowing and the indicator is on to turn left.

Do I

1) keep going and hope left indicating car has seen me and is waiting for me to pass first
2) slow up and stop even though I have right of way as per the highway code.

Anyone who answers (1) either has little or no experience of the roads, or is the sort of road warrior who will eventually come to grief and spend their time typing rubbish on PH cycle forums.

I wouldn't do (1) on a bicycle, motorcycle or car, and really not understanding the mentality of anyone else who would.
The cyclist should expect the car driver to turn across without looking, and the car driver should expect the cyclist to carry on as it's their priority.

Personally I would pull out and go round the outside of the car, and if the cars behind take offence to that, well fk em. If the turning car has only just passed me with a complete lack of judgement and foresight, then I'll signal my displeasure to them as well.