RE: McLaren 620R revealed as £250k GT4 clone
Discussion
Does anyone else see attaching the GT4 name to a vehicle costing quarter of a million quid as, well, a bit pathetic really? Most of the GT4 competitors road-going counterparts (Cayman, Alpine, M4, R8, etc.) are in the £60-125k or so range and, fair enough it's not a direct comparison, but it's got a bit of a 'big fish in little pond' whiff to it.
I know Gordon Murray left long before the current crop of McLarens but I bet he is pleased to be out of this crap.
They are all the same car with a few bolt on go faster bits. Shame. Woking are a total waste of engineering resource. They could do something really special in the EV £75k -100k range, but not this.
They are all the same car with a few bolt on go faster bits. Shame. Woking are a total waste of engineering resource. They could do something really special in the EV £75k -100k range, but not this.
Howard1650 said:
I know Gordon Murray left long before the current crop of McLarens but I bet he is pleased to be out of this crap.
Yeah, he apparently really enjoys working on a platform system that nobody except Autocar/PH editorial staff wants.Selling 5000 cars a year would give him the right hump.
jorders500 said:
Why don’t they just have one car and a really long list of options? It seems each model is just an option pack and not really a different car.
This is akin to a GT3 RS vs a C2S or something. Nobody seems to moan about them 
Senna is very different to a 720S which is also different to a 570S.
Easy way to think of it is actually how McLaren sell them.
Sports series range (570S/600LT/620RS and the spider versions)
Super series range (720S and spider)
Ultimate series (Senna).
GT range (GT)
There, not that difficult, is it?
Well, baring a Lottery win, I'll never be able to afford one, but ......
If I'd just bought the 600LT thinking this was McLarens top of the range sports series car, and then a few months later the 600R came out, I think I'd be pretty peeved about it.
To always be in the best McLaren, you need very very deep pockets (or Daddy's pockets) to keep up.
Porsche have lots of variants, but everyone knows if you buy a Carrera S, the Turbo will trump it. You know if you buy a GT3, the GT3 RS will trump it. With McLaren (like Lotus) you just never know if the better car will be announced the day after you take delivery of your car.
From what I've read / seen in reviews, McLaren build quality and reliability are very poor. With such issues, and so many variants all at once using the same tub and engine, it's little wonder the residuals aren't great. Apparently McLaren dealers aren't the best and have no time for older cars. All about selling the next dream.
McLaren need another type of car, that's not a variant of the same car. Look at Ferrari, which is where McLarens price point is. Different cars. Different engines. Personally, I'd have like to see McLarens new GT car being front mid-engined with 2 seats, like the 812 Superfast. Then produce a 4 seats like the GTC4 Lusso
If I'd just bought the 600LT thinking this was McLarens top of the range sports series car, and then a few months later the 600R came out, I think I'd be pretty peeved about it.
To always be in the best McLaren, you need very very deep pockets (or Daddy's pockets) to keep up.
Porsche have lots of variants, but everyone knows if you buy a Carrera S, the Turbo will trump it. You know if you buy a GT3, the GT3 RS will trump it. With McLaren (like Lotus) you just never know if the better car will be announced the day after you take delivery of your car.
From what I've read / seen in reviews, McLaren build quality and reliability are very poor. With such issues, and so many variants all at once using the same tub and engine, it's little wonder the residuals aren't great. Apparently McLaren dealers aren't the best and have no time for older cars. All about selling the next dream.
McLaren need another type of car, that's not a variant of the same car. Look at Ferrari, which is where McLarens price point is. Different cars. Different engines. Personally, I'd have like to see McLarens new GT car being front mid-engined with 2 seats, like the 812 Superfast. Then produce a 4 seats like the GTC4 Lusso
redroadster said:
Keep the depreciation policy going keep launching new models ace they will be £50 grand soon .
I notice McLaren made profit after 3 years in car biz. Who cares about your customer losing thousands a day in depreciation alone when you are making millions of profit.McLaren makes cars using similar structures and drivetrains because they give the biggest return over developing truly bespoke cars.
FN2TypeR said:
redroadster said:
Keep the depreciation policy going keep launching new models ace they will be £50 grand soon .
I have my eyes on the prices of the 540s and 570s at the moment, not much further to go now! 
RacerMike said:
FN2TypeR said:
redroadster said:
Keep the depreciation policy going keep launching new models ace they will be £50 grand soon .
I have my eyes on the prices of the 540s and 570s at the moment, not much further to go now! wab172uk said:
Well, baring a Lottery win, I'll never be able to afford one, but ......
If I'd just bought the 600LT thinking this was McLarens top of the range sports series car, and then a few months later the 600R came out, I think I'd be pretty peeved about it.
To always be in the best McLaren, you need very very deep pockets (or Daddy's pockets) to keep up.
Porsche have lots of variants, but everyone knows if you buy a Carrera S, the Turbo will trump it. You know if you buy a GT3, the GT3 RS will trump it. With McLaren (like Lotus) you just never know if the better car will be announced the day after you take delivery of your car.
From what I've read / seen in reviews, McLaren build quality and reliability are very poor. With such issues, and so many variants all at once using the same tub and engine, it's little wonder the residuals aren't great. Apparently McLaren dealers aren't the best and have no time for older cars. All about selling the next dream.
McLaren need another type of car, that's not a variant of the same car. Look at Ferrari, which is where McLarens price point is. Different cars. Different engines. Personally, I'd have like to see McLarens new GT car being front mid-engined with 2 seats, like the 812 Superfast. Then produce a 4 seats like the GTC4 Lusso
Why? If I'd just bought the 600LT thinking this was McLarens top of the range sports series car, and then a few months later the 600R came out, I think I'd be pretty peeved about it.
To always be in the best McLaren, you need very very deep pockets (or Daddy's pockets) to keep up.
Porsche have lots of variants, but everyone knows if you buy a Carrera S, the Turbo will trump it. You know if you buy a GT3, the GT3 RS will trump it. With McLaren (like Lotus) you just never know if the better car will be announced the day after you take delivery of your car.
From what I've read / seen in reviews, McLaren build quality and reliability are very poor. With such issues, and so many variants all at once using the same tub and engine, it's little wonder the residuals aren't great. Apparently McLaren dealers aren't the best and have no time for older cars. All about selling the next dream.
McLaren need another type of car, that's not a variant of the same car. Look at Ferrari, which is where McLarens price point is. Different cars. Different engines. Personally, I'd have like to see McLarens new GT car being front mid-engined with 2 seats, like the 812 Superfast. Then produce a 4 seats like the GTC4 Lusso
I buy cars because of their abilities and because I like them who give a f is something else comes out.
What you bought is awesome it doesn’t suddenly become less awesome when something else comes out.
Nobody complains that the 911 isn’t as special as the GT3 as you’ve said I see no difference here
Thesprucegoose said:
I notice McLaren made profit after 3 years in car biz. Who cares about your customer losing thousands a day in depreciation alone when you are making millions of profit.
McLaren makes cars using similar structures and drivetrains because they give the biggest return over developing truly bespoke cars.
Are you going to claim nobody else does that because usually ph go gaga about how good x manufacturer is for using the same tub, how clever, such great design etc etcMcLaren makes cars using similar structures and drivetrains because they give the biggest return over developing truly bespoke cars.
Except when it’s McLaren apparently it’s bad. Probably be better to have bespoke chassis for each car even if a) it break the company b) is a waste of time because what they make now is awesome.
Such strange attitudes Britain has to cars.
RacerMike said:
FN2TypeR said:
redroadster said:
Keep the depreciation policy going keep launching new models ace they will be £50 grand soon .
I have my eyes on the prices of the 540s and 570s at the moment, not much further to go now! I'll happily moan about McLaren when they deserve it but these two issues are easily fixable.
Another Mclaren thread, another thread saying they are all the same. *YAWN*
Here's a way to simplify for you:
Sports Series: 540C, 570S, 570GT, 600 LT, 620R
The 570 and 540 were launched in 2015. The 600LT in 2018. No direct predecessors.
The 600LT and 620R are very different beasts for very different purposes. The LT being a road focussed car that is pretty unbelievable on a track thanks to trick aero, the R being a track focussed car that can be driven on the road.
Super Series: 720S
Launched in 2017 to replace the 650, itself launched in 2014, which replaced the MP4-12C from 2011. Roughly 3 years between launches.
Ultimate Series: Senna
Launched in 2018. No direct predecessor.
GT
Launched in 2019. No direct predecessor.
That is Mclaren's current range.
Everyone on here seems to bang on at them seeming like they make 100 variations of the exact same car. Each Series is like a model, Sports Series being your Cayman, Super Series being your 911 and Ultimate Series being your on-offs like the Carrera GT or 918.
It is perfectly rational to expect there to be variants of each model in that lineup.
I did a whole post in a different thread comparing the two and actually showing that Porsche had many more variations within their model line up. I think they have more versions of the 911 than Mclaren have across the Sports and Super Series cars.
Here's a way to simplify for you:
Sports Series: 540C, 570S, 570GT, 600 LT, 620R
The 570 and 540 were launched in 2015. The 600LT in 2018. No direct predecessors.
The 600LT and 620R are very different beasts for very different purposes. The LT being a road focussed car that is pretty unbelievable on a track thanks to trick aero, the R being a track focussed car that can be driven on the road.
Super Series: 720S
Launched in 2017 to replace the 650, itself launched in 2014, which replaced the MP4-12C from 2011. Roughly 3 years between launches.
Ultimate Series: Senna
Launched in 2018. No direct predecessor.
GT
Launched in 2019. No direct predecessor.
That is Mclaren's current range.
Everyone on here seems to bang on at them seeming like they make 100 variations of the exact same car. Each Series is like a model, Sports Series being your Cayman, Super Series being your 911 and Ultimate Series being your on-offs like the Carrera GT or 918.
It is perfectly rational to expect there to be variants of each model in that lineup.
I did a whole post in a different thread comparing the two and actually showing that Porsche had many more variations within their model line up. I think they have more versions of the 911 than Mclaren have across the Sports and Super Series cars.
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