RE: Gordon Murray | PH Meets

RE: Gordon Murray | PH Meets

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CABC

5,536 posts

100 months

Tuesday 10th December 2019
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JxJ Jr. said:
Article said:
Murray pioneered fan-blown aerodynamics with the Brabham BT46B "fan car" in 1978
The Chaparral 2J of 1970 begs to differ.
when i saw the rear of the T50 my first thought was "Brabham".
i know fans are round and therefore kinda look the same, but he's cheekily incorporated some design cues in there.

Plate spinner

17,649 posts

199 months

Tuesday 10th December 2019
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BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
I think this is a very pertinent question, as I think the answer is "Not much". He was involved with the new TVR, but whether that will see the light of day is still open to debate.

I guess my worry would be that there seems to be an awful lot of very new and very untried technology here which is being developed from scratch. Is it going to work ? Even at £2m a pop or whatever, 125 or so cars means a total budget of £250m to design, test, build and sell. That doesn't seem a lot....

I wish them luck but just wonder if they have done their budgets correctly
It’s sounds awesome, but I agree, the numbers don’t seem to stack up.
Unless he’s sharing development costs with others?

andyj007

302 posts

177 months

Tuesday 10th December 2019
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that be the last 100 sold then!.. great article

Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Tuesday 10th December 2019
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Love it - as I do the F1.

However, are we really sure ground effect is the appropriate method of generating downforce in a normal road environment?

Got a feeling not many will be left after a couple of years of thrashing - one poorly handled crest at speed is all it'll take for full loss of traction, surely?

Edited by Sway on Tuesday 10th December 20:21

thegreenhell

15,115 posts

218 months

Tuesday 10th December 2019
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Apparently working with Racing Point F1 to develop the aero

https://www.motorsport.com/automotive/news/gordon-...

Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Tuesday 10th December 2019
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thegreenhell said:
Apparently working with Racing Point F1 to develop the aero

https://www.motorsport.com/automotive/news/gordon-...
How many F1 wind tunnels accommodate a bumpy road typical across the country?

wink

Thankyou4calling

10,595 posts

172 months

Tuesday 10th December 2019
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How many new cars has Gordon Murray been on the verge of launching?

At least half a dozen and none have materialised.

I’m afraid this will only add to the list of great ideas that never came about.

NRS

22,080 posts

200 months

Tuesday 10th December 2019
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Sway said:
Love it - as I do the F1.

However, are we really sure ground effect is the appropriate method of generating downforce in a normal road environment?

Got a feeling not many will be left after a couple of years of thrashing - one poorly handled crest at speed is all it'll take for full loss of traction, surely?

Edited by Sway on Tuesday 10th December 20:21
Will it even get a real ground effect? I could be speaking rubbish as non-aero person, but from what I understood the car would have to be extremely low, and that's unlikely to be possible on a road car (particularly one with a decent travel like he suggests).

thegreenhell

15,115 posts

218 months

Tuesday 10th December 2019
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Sway said:
thegreenhell said:
Apparently working with Racing Point F1 to develop the aero

https://www.motorsport.com/automotive/news/gordon-...
How many F1 wind tunnels accommodate a bumpy road typical across the country?

wink
Sorry, yes, I wasn't citing that in direct response to your post, merely as an extra snippet that I didn't read in the PH article.

You are, of course, correct on that point.

big_rob_sydney

3,394 posts

193 months

Tuesday 10th December 2019
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GM is a well respected pro, but even so, I would tread with caution. Possibly something from Koenigsegg or Zonda instead would be my preferred option in this space.

chris116

1,104 posts

167 months

Tuesday 10th December 2019
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I do hope these get used properly, would be a crying shame if they end up sitting in collections gathering dust.


daytona111r

762 posts

203 months

Tuesday 10th December 2019
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C7 JFW said:
How lovely that he wants them to be taken out and thrashed.
I'm not sure he does. I remember him saying in recent interview they could have had a build run of 500 (iirc) at a much lower price point, but he wanted the car to be more special. If I was Gordon Murray, after all the dreams, thought, time, dedication and investment I'd put into this projeect, I'd want al that engineering to be appreciated and as many of these things thrashed as possible, but with only 100 being build that is unlikely. Although not by design, I think it's also one of the things that makes the F40 so great, that so many more have been driven and experienced relative to it's peers.




soad

32,829 posts

175 months

Tuesday 10th December 2019
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Would you just look at that gold covered engine bay? No 9ct either.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

34,946 posts

211 months

Tuesday 10th December 2019
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big_rob_sydney said:
GM is a well respected pro, but even so, I would tread with caution. Possibly something from Koenigsegg or Zonda instead would be my preferred option in this space.
That's fair enough. But what Koenigsegg or Pagani offer a high revving NA V12 with a manual gearbox?

Big Robbo

319 posts

145 months

Tuesday 10th December 2019
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In the dictionary under Genius there is just a picture of Gordon Murray.

172

182 posts

137 months

Tuesday 10th December 2019
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I dont get what the point of 2 different maps is.

An engine can only be mapped to its optimum or less than.

So each map is holding the engine back either at high or low revs

samoht

5,633 posts

145 months

Tuesday 10th December 2019
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Thanks for the story.

I had thought the same about the Muira - you know, why can't we have another 4.0L V12 in a 1000kg car ? Because with modern tech that should make enough power, and the lightness and delicacy and revs would be better than another Veyron. Very glad that it's being attempted by GM, probably the best able to carry it off.

Niffty951

2,333 posts

227 months

Tuesday 10th December 2019
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Sir. Murray for president. Less weight = more everything we care about.

Manual gearbox cloud9

Equus

16,770 posts

100 months

Tuesday 10th December 2019
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Sway said:
However, are we really sure ground effect is the appropriate method of generating downforce in a normal road environment?

Got a feeling not many will be left after a couple of years of thrashing - one poorly handled crest at speed is all it'll take for full loss of traction, surely?
Let's be honest, if you were driving it fast enough on public roads for it to even begin to matter, then Darwin's gonna get ya sooner rather than later... and deservedly so.

But it's a boutique trinket, not a realistic driver's machine. It's about bragging rights when you're throwing parties on your yacht. Of the 100 that are going to get built, 85 of them will almost certainly go straight into air-conditioned cotton wool, and few of the others are ever likely to be used anywhere close to their limits, except on track, so whether it works on normal roads or not is pretty much irrelevant.

re33

269 posts

163 months

Tuesday 10th December 2019
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172 said:
I dont get what the point of 2 different maps is.

An engine can only be mapped to its optimum or less than.

So each map is holding the engine back either at high or low revs
I'm guessing it's just a different throttle map and rev limit. Though you could change the valve timing to make it feel like 2 completely different engines. What I find confusing is that both "maps" will make the same 600bhp. Why rev over 9500rpm? Strange.