RE: Porsche Taycan 4S | Driven

[David87]

stuckmojo said:

Numeric said:

Terms like 'up to 288 miles from a charge' worry me enormously as I can't judge what that really means.

What is the real world range when slogging along the M4 at 85 with the gubbins all running - is it enormously impacted and by how much. I sort of have a feel for how much less MPG i'll get from a car in the real world than it says in the tests - but don't really worry as filling takes a couple of minutes, but should I reduce all range figures by say a third?

I guess the pool of drivers who know are the Tesla community - so I ask them what my benchmark should be, not to criticise Tesla but so I can apply the same real world ratio to other electric cars?

That's a key question. I guess the answer is "probably less than half that".

The usual debate ensues: It will still be fine for most people. But if you do more than 100 miles per day once or twice a week or a month, that's not for you. I came to that conclusion after really wanting a Tesla but deciding that - for my specific requirements - tech isn't there yet.

Again, fine for the vast majority, and what a car.

Knock a third off.

[MX6]

Twoshoe said:

Why don't manufacturers of electric cars cover roofs, bonnets and boots (and possibly side panels too) with solar panels? I appreciate they would only provide a small proportion of the required power (and some may not like the look), but it would of course be free, and if you left the car outside all day during the summer (even a British one), it's got to be worth something surely?

It's sounds like an interesting idea, but of course you'd have all the downsides in cost, complexity, weight, aesthetic form, colour, aerodynamics, etc...

[Nick Young]

Schermerhorn said:

If I bought one of these could I charge it at home from my mains plug and how long would it take to fully charge the battery?

If it helps, our Tesla charges at a rate of about 8-10 miles per hour on a standard 3 pin plug. On our 7kw wall charger it's a much more respectable 30+ miles per hour

[Nick Young]

David87 said:

Knock a third off.

Sounds about right.

[Dave Hedgehog]

Jam12321 said:

Can anyone explain what is actually exceptional about the fit and finish of that interior? Im sure it's well put together but what makes it exceptional?

Harris was saying on the smoking tyre podcast that porsche's interior is pretty much as good as it gets

never sat in one so cant confirm

[Onehp]

Nick Young said:

David87 said:

Knock a third off.

Sounds about right.

Additionally, for normal use, you would only charge to 80% and discharge to ~25% to preserve battery performance (making for a very quick charge also), but if you know a big trip is coming, you could of course maximize range...

[Sport220]

At least it does away with the daft Turbo nomenclature

[MX6]

That looks like quite a hoot, though surely driving this type of car on that type of surface is pretty irrelevant, despite the 4WD, or maybe I'm missing the point. It does make for some stunning pic's to be fair.

I like the looks and spec of the Taycan, it has to be the only electric car out there that I actually find quite desireable.

I agree with the point in the article, the 4S seems to on paper at least make a lot more sence than the so called "Turbo" models which seems a bit OTT for an electric saloon, both in terms and performance and price.

[RemarkLima]

stuckmojo said:

Numeric said:

Terms like 'up to 288 miles from a charge' worry me enormously as I can't judge what that really means.

What is the real world range when slogging along the M4 at 85 with the gubbins all running - is it enormously impacted and by how much. I sort of have a feel for how much less MPG i'll get from a car in the real world than it says in the tests - but don't really worry as filling takes a couple of minutes, but should I reduce all range figures by say a third?

I guess the pool of drivers who know are the Tesla community - so I ask them what my benchmark should be, not to criticise Tesla but so I can apply the same real world ratio to other electric cars?

That's a key question. I guess the answer is "probably less than half that".

The usual debate ensues: It will still be fine for most people. But if you do more than 100 miles per day once or twice a week or a month, that's not for you. I came to that conclusion after really wanting a Tesla but deciding that - for my specific requirements - tech isn't there yet.

Again, fine for the vast majority, and what a car.

We've had a i3 for 3 years, and get upto 130 miles in summer, and about 110 in winter... Like "normal" cars, short trips (because of the judicious acceleration) and generally driving like a bell-end reduce the range, but for a m'way journey it's pretty easy to get those figures without issue.

The quoted range is I think 144, so the 130 is pretty good I'd say.

There's been zero battery degradation either during that time.

[J8 SVG]

Sport220 said:

At least it does away with the daft Turbo nomenclature

It does not.

https://www.porsche.com/uk/models/taycan/taycan-mo...

[Sport220]

J8 SVG said:

It does not.

https://www.porsche.com/uk/models/taycan/taycan-mo...

I meant the 4S

[Jimbo.]

Twoshoe said:

Why don't manufacturers of electric cars cover roofs, bonnets and boots (and possibly side panels too) with solar panels? I appreciate they would only provide a small proportion of the required power (and some may not like the look), but it would of course be free, and if you left the car outside all day during the summer (even a British one), it's got to be worth something surely?

Suspect the additional energy generation/range of said panels not equaling the energy spent/range lost hauling them around.

[Lt. Coulomb]

Twoshoe said:

Why don't manufacturers of electric cars cover roofs, bonnets and boots (and possibly side panels too) with solar panels? I appreciate they would only provide a small proportion of the required power (and some may not like the look), but it would of course be free, and if you left the car outside all day during the summer (even a British one), it's got to be worth something surely?

Because it would generate just a couple of kWhs on a bright sunny day.

[tosh.brice]

Plate spinner said:

Matt Farah liked it on canyon roads, I think he drove the turbo S model, reckoned it was almost too fast for road use.

Matt's video says near the end: “I used 40% of the total battery in 17 miles in this video!"

[simonwhite2000]

Dave Hedgehog said:

cerb4.5lee said:

I wished Electric cars didn't make me so angry...but they just do for some reason!

I know that I should love this because it is the future but I'm struggling big time. I do need a go in one to understand why everyone loves Electric cars though for sure.

horses for courses i guess

1 mile in a base model 3 and i was sold, made my AMG feel like an obsolete antique as a daily driver, the instant response is so nice

i would still like a toy for the weekends thou, manual V10 R8 spyder would be top of my list

i think Tesla are missing a trick by not making a long range RWD only model 3 with a track/drift mode to disable traction control, would be a hoot

Interesting to read. Two weeks with a P85 model S left me far from convinced.

[Pope]

stuckmojo said:

Numeric said:

Terms like 'up to 288 miles from a charge' worry me enormously as I can't judge what that really means.

What is the real world range when slogging along the M4 at 85 with the gubbins all running - is it enormously impacted and by how much. I sort of have a feel for how much less MPG i'll get from a car in the real world than it says in the tests - but don't really worry as filling takes a couple of minutes, but should I reduce all range figures by say a third?

I guess the pool of drivers who know are the Tesla community - so I ask them what my benchmark should be, not to criticise Tesla but so I can apply the same real world ratio to other electric cars?

That's a key question. I guess the answer is "probably less than half that".

The usual debate ensues: It will still be fine for most people. But if you do more than 100 miles per day once or twice a week or a month, that's not for you. I came to that conclusion after really wanting a Tesla but deciding that - for my specific requirements - tech isn't there yet.

Again, fine for the vast majority, and what a car.

https://www.porsche.com/uk/models/taycan/taycan-models/

There's a handy range calculator tool on the site

Edited by Pope on Wednesday 11th December 21:52

Edited by Pope on Wednesday 11th December 21:54

[Schermerhorn]

Nick Young said:

Schermerhorn said:

If I bought one of these could I charge it at home from my mains plug and how long would it take to fully charge the battery?

If it helps, our Tesla charges at a rate of about 8-10 miles per hour on a standard 3 pin plug. On our 7kw wall charger it's a much more respectable 30+ miles per hour

Thanks. I feel quite disappointed reading that for some reason. I was expecting a fully charged battery in 1 hour at a cost of £1.50 in electricity for some reason...

Or am I getting ahead of myself?

I would love to see a "Living with a Porsche Taycan on a daily basis" video so we can get past all this gimmicky stuff and just see how it is in real world scenarios.....

[AussieFozzy]

said:

"the Taycan makes the Tesla Model S looks amorphous and blobby, like a month-old bar of soap"

No, the Model S makes the model S look like an amorphous, blobby, month-old bar of soap

[AussieFozzy]

tosh.brice said:

Plate spinner said:

Matt Farah liked it on canyon roads, I think he drove the turbo S model, reckoned it was almost too fast for road use.

Matt's video says near the end: “I used 40% of the total battery in 17 miles in this video!"

On the track my normally quite frugal Fiesta ST goes from 7.5l/100km to about 25.5.... When you drive properly hard you use more energy.

[PBCD]

Schermerhorn said:

If I bought one of these could I charge it at home from my mains plug and how long would it take to fully charge the battery?

Out of curiosity, why would you drop £83k on a car like this but not spend £300 or so to get a dedicated charger fitted??

Schermerhorn said:

I was expecting a fully charged battery in 1 hour...

Unless you are an uber/private hire driver(rather unlikely with a Taycan!), why would you need to charge at home in an hour?

Edited by PBCD on Thursday 12th December 05:21