Parking in a disabled space when a car park is full

[Sheepshanks]

Hol said:

meatballs said:

Best entertainment is when some doddery old gentleman, who probably can't even make out the markings, parks in the busy parent and child bays when the disabled bays are all free. Queue wrath of the mums.

Can’t say I have ever seen that occur in reality.

I did something like that - the P&C spaces looked normal size (I've looked on Google earth and they are) and I thought the signs must relate to spaces on the opposite side of the divide. I realised as soon as I was in the space and the grandma is the car next to us starting yelling, but couldn't get out as another car had stopped behind me, and the driver got out to ask if I was leaving. It got very shouty and I think the trolley lad probably saved my life.

[hyphen]

kambites said:

hyphen said:

Disabled spaces are for those that need to be nearer to the shop entrance, not for people taking a bit longer to exit their car!!

Well it's sort of both. They're larger than normal spaces to make vehicle access easier for people who have impaired movement; there are disabled people who can walk fine but have serious problems getting in and out of a car.

He could have gone at anytime outside peak hours and parked with lots of spaces around him, or next to a pillar etc. And walked his lazy ass to the shop

He says his hands were damaged, yet good enough to drive, fill-up a full trolley of heavy items and move it around.Man Flue version of a disability

Edited by hyphen on Saturday 14th December 11:43

[Stay in Bed Instead]

kambites said:

I did a few weeks ago when I got a parking ticket for over-staying in a private car park. That's why I know the legal situation.

You don't.

[kambites]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

kambites said:

I did a few weeks ago when I got a parking ticket for over-staying in a private car park. That's why I know the legal situation.

You don't.

Well if I don't, the citizen's advice bureau don't either.

Anyway quite asside from the contractual side of the argument (in my case I might have had an arguemnt due to the poor signage), driving onto and parking on someone else's land without their permission is tttish in the extreme. No morally different than someone visiting your neighbour deciding to use tyour drive because theirs is full, IMO.

[nonsequitur]

DoubleD said:

I find it surprising that anyone would need to ask in the first place.

At least he asked, rather than charging in and thinking 'I'll only be two minutes'.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

kambites said:

Well if I don't, the citizen's advice bureau don't either.

That would not surprise me.

Believe me, you cannot enter into a contract that you have not had the opportunity to consider and accept. Simply driving into a car park does not form a contract, and neither is it trespass if the purpose of the land is for public car parking.

[Jaguar steve]

Narcisus said:

OP honestly is this thread a wind up ?

Get real. It's a serious attitude problem.

My Old Chap had his right leg amputated above his knee and reconstructive surgery on his left foot after the aircraft he was flying was hit hard by AA fire and he crash landed on fire it near the Rhine in '45. That left him crippled for life. My MiL is in constant pain and riddled with arthritis and needs a frame to hobble any distance. Two of my nephews have level 3 autism (the highest) and are difficult to manage and highly unpredictable.

These are the people disabled parking spaces are for and not some healthy able bodied lazy selfish arse who can't be bothered to walk a few more metres.

[snoopy25]

How hard is it it to understand OP? Disabled parking is for the disabled ffs.....

[mikal83]

Jaguar steve said:

Narcisus said:

OP honestly is this thread a wind up ?

Get real. It's a serious attitude problem.

My Old Chap had his right leg amputated above his knee and reconstructive surgery on his left foot after the aircraft he was flying was hit hard by AA fire and he crash landed on fire it near the Rhine in '45. That left him crippled for life. My MiL is in constant pain and riddled with arthritis and needs a frame to hobble any distance. Two of my nephews have level 3 autism (the highest) and are difficult to manage and highly unpredictable.

These are the people disabled parking spaces are for and not some healthy able bodied lazy selfish arse who can't be bothered to walk a few more metres.

This

[anonymous-user]

Sheepshanks said:

kambites said:

In answer to the original question, no I wouldn't use disabled spaces. I'd either go and find another shop or find somewhere else to park and walk to the shop.

In a situation where there's no other parking, why shouldn't equality kick in here and the disabled person find somewhere else to shop?

How does “equality kick in”? If the disabled spaces are occupied by other disabled drivers then a disabled person has the choice of either waiting for one to become free, use a regular space (if available) or shopping elsewhere. Options are the same for a non-disabled driver except they (obviously) can’t use disabled spaces.

[dieselkop]

Having disabled friends, to me parking in their space is a NO NO.
I think of it as showing some respect for the disabled.

[Pica-Pica]

Sheepshanks said:

Hol said:

meatballs said:

Best entertainment is when some doddery old gentleman, who probably can't even make out the markings, parks in the busy parent and child bays when the disabled bays are all free. Queue wrath of the mums.

Can’t say I have ever seen that occur in reality.

I did something like that - the P&C spaces looked normal size (I've looked on Google earth and they are) and I thought the signs must relate to spaces on the opposite side of the divide. I realised as soon as I was in the space and the grandma is the car next to us starting yelling, but couldn't get out as another car had stopped behind me, and the driver got out to ask if I was leaving. It got very shouty and I think the trolley lad probably saved my life.

Just to clarify, they are for drivers with children, they don’t have to be their parents. FTFE.

[anonymous-user]

colin_p said:

I think the simple rule is that if you park in a disabled bay and you are not disabled or you park in a mother and child bay and you don't have your young kids with you, you should fully expect that woman off Games of Thrones to pop out from behind a bush and start ringing the bell and shouting "shame, shame, shame!".

Disabilities are not a life choice, children are. I have no issue with people "misusing" the parent and child spaces, especially if the rest are full, but improperly parking in a disabled space is a total no-no in my book.

[Narcisus]

Jaguar steve said:

Get real. It's a serious attitude problem.

My Old Chap had his right leg amputated above his knee and reconstructive surgery on his left foot after the aircraft he was flying was hit hard by AA fire and he crash landed on fire it near the Rhine in '45. That left him crippled for life. My MiL is in constant pain and riddled with arthritis and needs a frame to hobble any distance. Two of my nephews have level 3 autism (the highest) and are difficult to manage and highly unpredictable.

These are the people disabled parking spaces are for and not some healthy able bodied lazy selfish arse who can't be bothered to walk a few more metres.

<whoooosh>

[kambites]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

kambites said:

Well if I don't, the citizen's advice bureau don't either.

That would not surprise me.

Believe me, you cannot enter into a contract that you have not had the opportunity to consider and accept. Simply driving into a car park does not form a contract, and neither is it trespass if the purpose of the land is for public car parking.

An example from the AA's site:

AA said:

The AA, British Parking Association, private parking enforcement companies and other groups all wanted private parking enforcement to be fully regulated by government but this didn’t happen, so it relies on the laws of contract and trespass.

Put simply, you’re considered to have accepted the parking terms and sanctions if there’s adequate signage.

Now I think most people would consider a damned great yellow picture of a wheelchair on the road to be "adequate signage".

There are loads of other sites saying the same thing. There's obviously no specific law relating specifically to parking contracts but there's a wealth of precidence.

Edited by kambites on Saturday 14th December 14:25

[meatballs]

You goto a tourist attraction, there's limited parking and the only bays free are disabled - people won't be returning for a number of hours. There's no alternative parking in a reasonable distance (couple of miles).

Does a blue bade holder, that may or may not visit, have more of a right to be able to visit the attraction for leisure than someone else? It's different from the supermarket/doctors surgery as it's purely a visit for pleasure rather than necessity.

[g3org3y]

Pica-Pica said:

Sheepshanks said:

Hol said:

meatballs said:

Best entertainment is when some doddery old gentleman, who probably can't even make out the markings, parks in the busy parent and child bays when the disabled bays are all free. Queue wrath of the mums.

Can’t say I have ever seen that occur in reality.

I did something like that - the P&C spaces looked normal size (I've looked on Google earth and they are) and I thought the signs must relate to spaces on the opposite side of the divide. I realised as soon as I was in the space and the grandma is the car next to us starting yelling, but couldn't get out as another car had stopped behind me, and the driver got out to ask if I was leaving. It got very shouty and I think the trolley lad probably saved my life.

Just to clarify, they are for drivers with children, they don’t have to be their parents. FTFE.

The actual spaces are the same size, it's the gaps around them between spaces that is the big help. Much much easier to get the baby seat in and out of the car

Tesco refer to them as 'Parent and Child' spaces.

[meatballs]

JimSuperSix said:

Disabilities are not a life choice, children are. I have no issue with people "misusing" the parent and child spaces, especially if the rest are full, but improperly parking in a disabled space is a total no-no in my book.

Being born isn't a life choice for the child.

Let's run that thought to its full conclusion, if no-one has kids who's going to be wiping your arse in your dotage?

[Gavin0478]

Its no different to the amount of times I turn up to a Loading Bay in a fully loaded waggon to deliver to many retail establishments only to find said Loading Bay is filled with blue badge holders and the Disabled bays are empty as they are farther away.
Even when reminded that the Blue Badge information states they cannot park in areas that will cause disruption or in restricted or permit area's ie loading bays and resident permit areas they still choose to ignore this.

[aaron_2000]

meatballs said:

JimSuperSix said:

Disabilities are not a life choice, children are. I have no issue with people "misusing" the parent and child spaces, especially if the rest are full, but improperly parking in a disabled space is a total no-no in my book.

Being born isn't a life choice for the child.

Let's run that thought to its full conclusion, if no-one has kids who's going to be wiping your arse in your dotage?

Nobody because we wouldn't exist.

In regard to the post, if you park in a disabled spot when you're not disabled, you deserve to come back and find someone has taken a st on your windscreen.