Re : The Alpine A110 (finally) cometh | PH Fleet

Re : The Alpine A110 (finally) cometh | PH Fleet

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ant leigh

690 posts

92 months

Monday 13th January
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The A110 and the Elise/Exige are really not similar, certainly as a daily driver. The Alpine approaches Lotus fun/involvement on day out but they are really not a cross shop IMO

Hungrymc

4,247 posts

86 months

Tuesday 14th January
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CABC said:
Alpine is usable daily and so gets compared to Porsche.
Exige is a focused, raw machine that i personally wouldn't cross-shop with these. that would be the Evora.
4C too noisy to be in same list too.
I’m cross shopping these. And I’m actually surprised how much towards the usable end of the spectrum the Alpine is. Part of the decision of course is where on the raw / refined spectrum you want to be.

yonex

16,189 posts

117 months

Tuesday 14th January
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There’s always been a gap there. The Elise being too hardcore and the Cayster being too sterile. Honda tried with the S2K but there’s never been a decent coupe IMO. This is where the Alpine is perfect.

bcr5784

4,142 posts

94 months

Tuesday 14th January
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rockin said:
Miserablegit and Yonex turn up time and time again, shouting angrily and adding nothing to the discussion.

Base Alpine is 10% more expensive than base Porsche. Base Exige is 10% more expensive than Alpine. Exige is light and very quick. As such, Exige seems eminently suitable for comparison with the Alpine. Yet there's barely a mention of it - which seems a tad curious, given the high regard for Lotus on PH.
Spec a base Porsche and Alpine to the same level and the Porsche is MORE expensive. Porsche, as always make stuff like climate, cruise, keyless entry, decent lights, decent seats, leather bits extra. Not to mention PDK at £2300. An Exige is far more expensive again once you give it climate, a bit of soundproofing, radio etc

That said over on the Porsche thread there is talk of big discounts available on stock cars. I don't suppose the A110 is the sole cause - but the A110, Z4 and Supra all coming to market when the 718 is getting luke warm press reports and the market as a whole is in the doldrums must be worrying Porsche.


Edited by bcr5784 on Tuesday 14th January 09:02

yonex

16,189 posts

117 months

Tuesday 14th January
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I’ve never seen a base spec Porsche. Everyone knows you have to pay through the nose for some pretty basic kit.

a110au

13 posts

Tuesday 14th January
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I dont know about europe but porsche australia wants 20% more for a 718 with options and 30% more for a cayman S with no brainer options, vs an a110,
and if you want one you really need to custom build it which puts you at an immediate disadvantage asking for a decent discount.
And then at the end you have that long gearing and a flat engine sound and keep reading articles about the gt4

Hungrymc

4,247 posts

86 months

Tuesday 14th January
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I haven’t given the 718 any serious consideration. But I’m now intrigued to drive one to see if it’s as bad as some of these descriptions suggest.

Miserablegit

1,113 posts

58 months

Tuesday 14th January
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Drive two - pdk and manual

All cars in this bracket are very good. It comes down to personal choice.
For me, primarily on UK roads, I prefer the shorter gearing and lighter weight of the Alpine as even with DCT I find it very involving.
If I was in Germany using 130mph + on a regular basis then a Cayman might have suited me better.
The Cayman is a good looking car but the Alfa is the best looking. For me the Alpine was the best driving and sense of occasion. I liked the retro look as nothing else looks like it apart from the original. I felt the Alfa was let down by little or no luggage space (front doesn’t open) and I need the option of using it to travel and the cabin wasn’t great - wheel and paddles seemed to be plastic but those looks really are junior supercar




a110au

13 posts

Tuesday 14th January
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Hungrymc said:
I haven’t given the 718 any serious consideration. But I’m now intrigued to drive one to see if it’s as bad as some of these descriptions suggest.
its a great car. so is the a110. vive la différence

bcr5784

4,142 posts

94 months

Tuesday 14th January
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Hungrymc said:
I haven’t given the 718 any serious consideration. But I’m now intrigued to drive one to see if it’s as bad as some of these descriptions suggest.
You should try one. Not everyone thinks the engine is awful. I did, but I haven't driven the latest cars and it sounds as if current engines aren't as uncouth as the earlier ones. Then it comes down to personal priorities.

With cars, as with people, you only get one chance to make a first impression. If that is bad it takes a lot to change it. The 4C had an even bigger problem and I suspect even if its defects were all subsequently rectified it would still have died.


Edited by bcr5784 on Tuesday 14th January 12:04


Edited by bcr5784 on Tuesday 14th January 12:05

100 OCTANE

67 posts

44 months

Wednesday 15th January
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blueg33

22,545 posts

173 months

Wednesday 15th January
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100 OCTANE said:
dare you to post that on a Porsche Forum getmecoat

100 OCTANE

67 posts

44 months

Wednesday 15th January
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blueg33 said:
dare you to post that on a Porsche Forum getmecoat
Have you got the link shout

Ultrafunkula

712 posts

54 months

Wednesday 15th January
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100 OCTANE said:
Have you got the link shout
There's a Cayman section on PH. But why do you care so much? I'm pretty sure Cayman owners on the whole don't.

Miserablegit

1,113 posts

58 months

Wednesday 15th January
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Ultrafunkula said:
There's a Cayman section on PH. But why do you care so much? I'm pretty sure Cayman owners on the whole don't.
I don’t think he does- I think it was a bit of fun.
Doesn’t bother me either way what journalists say about a car - I drive and enjoy cars that I like.


a110au

13 posts

Wednesday 15th January
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100 OCTANE said:
Have you got the link shout
it also picked up a french blog award (with a ferrari in second)

https://twitter.com/whatcar/status/121721312289066...

https://twitter.com/leblogauto/status/121663267107...

100 OCTANE

67 posts

44 months

Wednesday 15th January
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Ultrafunkula said:
There's a Cayman section on PH. But why do you care so much? I'm pretty sure Cayman owners on the whole don't.
I couldn’t give a a toss, It’s just a bit of humour

100 OCTANE

67 posts

44 months

Wednesday 15th January
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Miserablegit said:
I don’t think he does- I think it was a bit of fun.
Doesn’t bother me either way what journalists say about a car - I drive and enjoy cars that I like.
”I don’t think he does- I think it was a bit of fun.“

Yes your right, it’s just a bit of friendly banter


blueg33

22,545 posts

173 months

Wednesday 15th January
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100 OCTANE said:
Miserablegit said:
I don’t think he does- I think it was a bit of fun.
Doesn’t bother me either way what journalists say about a car - I drive and enjoy cars that I like.
”I don’t think he does- I think it was a bit of fun.“

Yes your right, it’s just a bit of friendly banter
Exactly

bcr5784

4,142 posts

94 months

Wednesday 15th January
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Miserablegit said:
Doesn’t bother me either way what journalists say about a car - I drive and enjoy cars that I like.
Even if you do need journalistic approval to validate your purchase there have already been so many positive reviews that another one ought to make no difference.

That said lots of people - perhaps not real car nuts - don't know about the car. An extra gong might persuade a potential purchaser of a Cayman or Supra etc to give an A110 a try and that can only be good for the brand. Of course they may subsequently buy one for the "wrong" reasons - it's pretty, or unusual, or comes in a lovely shade of blue - but that's life in the sports car market.