Re : Toyota GR Yaris - official!
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Been following this thread from the beginning so when this popped up on one of the channel that I subscribe to, I thought I should share this in-depth review of the GR Yaris in Japan. Enjoy!
https://youtu.be/1ueqrR0LKSg
https://youtu.be/1ueqrR0LKSg
Edited by Koolkat969 on Tuesday 27th October 06:22
The JDM masters review would put me off the car, no excitement at all in the drive and sounds naff.
Summing up they refer to it as a ‘warm hatch’ rather than a hot hatch.
Must admit everything I’ve seen of it on the move looks under steer and that 3cyl engine noise inside... it doesn’t exactly look quick either
Summing up they refer to it as a ‘warm hatch’ rather than a hot hatch.
Must admit everything I’ve seen of it on the move looks under steer and that 3cyl engine noise inside... it doesn’t exactly look quick either
uncleluck said:
The JDM masters review would put me off the car, no excitement at all in the drive and sounds naff.
Summing up they refer to it as a ‘warm hatch’ rather than a hot hatch.
Must admit everything I’ve seen of it on the move looks under steer and that 3cyl engine noise inside... it doesn’t exactly look quick either
Surprising because it seems exactly what I was expecting. Summing up they refer to it as a ‘warm hatch’ rather than a hot hatch.
Must admit everything I’ve seen of it on the move looks under steer and that 3cyl engine noise inside... it doesn’t exactly look quick either
3 cylinder noise is very marmite, but I like it, the character never translates well into the camera. It'll also be helped by putting an exhaust on it as well, don't forget it's Euro 6 with GPF etc so it will sound a bit muted.
They're also comparing it to the MK2 and MK3 Focus RS, Megan's Trophy and Mini GP2, so hardly a fair comparison. It's something to compare to the Fiesta ST send of the market really.
uncleluck said:
The JDM masters review would put me off the car, no excitement at all in the drive and sounds naff.
Summing up they refer to it as a ‘warm hatch’ rather than a hot hatch.
"warm to hot" was the ultimate description they settled on.Summing up they refer to it as a ‘warm hatch’ rather than a hot hatch.
"if you need a car to go from A to B that does everything well(this is it)"
Sums it up quite nicely.
I think that just goes to show how warped our perceptions have become about "fast" cars
It does 60 in 5.2 seconds, how is that not fast?
It's as fast standard as anything I've had in my stable previously, including RX-7, MR2 Turbo, BMW E82 135i etc.
Sure it's not supercar fast, but it's a hot hatch. Bung a flash on and I'll bet it'll do mid 4s to 60 and roll on to 140mph.
Agree the 3 cylinder noise is marmite. I personally love it, evokes nostalgia of my first car.
Sam.M said:
I think that just goes to show how warped our perceptions have become about "fast" cars
It does 60 in 5.2 seconds, how is that not fast?
It's as fast standard as anything I've had in my stable previously, including RX-7, MR2 Turbo, BMW E82 135i etc.
Sure it's not supercar fast, but it's a hot hatch. Bung a flash on and I'll bet it'll do mid 4s to 60 and roll on to 140mph.
Agree the 3 cylinder noise is marmite. I personally love it, evokes nostalgia of my first car.
I all but guarantee at least one of the reviews (EVO?) will mention the engine 'sounds like half a 911'It does 60 in 5.2 seconds, how is that not fast?
It's as fast standard as anything I've had in my stable previously, including RX-7, MR2 Turbo, BMW E82 135i etc.
Sure it's not supercar fast, but it's a hot hatch. Bung a flash on and I'll bet it'll do mid 4s to 60 and roll on to 140mph.
Agree the 3 cylinder noise is marmite. I personally love it, evokes nostalgia of my first car.
Edited by Sam.M on Tuesday 27th October 08:44
Good review by JDM Masters especially on the engineering side of things but slightly disappointed by the overall outcome. However, It would appear that with a few tweaks, it would have the sound to match the looks and performance and a more hardcore feel if that's what you want.
Not a fan of the way it sounds either but I'm sure there will be more than enough offerings out of Japan to rectify that!
I'm equally waiting for a UK review and would love to see it in the hands of Chris Harris or Henry Catchpole.
Not a fan of the way it sounds either but I'm sure there will be more than enough offerings out of Japan to rectify that!
I'm equally waiting for a UK review and would love to see it in the hands of Chris Harris or Henry Catchpole.
Koolkat969 said:
I'm sure there will be more than enough offerings out of Japan to rectify that!
Speaking of which, PANDEM kit anyone?https://buyee.jp/item/yahoo/auction/l627054944
Koolkat969 said:
I'm equally waiting for a UK review and would love to see it in the hands of Chris Harris or Henry Catchpole.
Ditto, looking forward to a Chris Harris review.Koolkat969 said:
Been following this thread from the beginning so when this popped up on one of the channel that I subscribe to, I thought I should share this in-depth review of the GR Yaris in Japan. Enjoy!
https://youtu.be/1ueqrR0LKSg
Hmm I didn't watch the entire video but I think I see what's the deal there and I find it honestly a bit worrying. Because these guys call themselves JDM Masters and don't seem to get what most Japanese performance cars are about. It's about executing what they set out to do perfectly. Perfection is the keyword here. A car is supposed to drive and a performance car is supposed to do that even faster and better. Therefore a Japanese company would never build something like a Hellcat. It would be an absolutely silly and pointless concept to them.https://youtu.be/1ueqrR0LKSg
Edited by Koolkat969 on Tuesday 27th October 06:22
Take a look at other Japanese performance cars like a Nissan GT-R or a Honda Civic Type R. Those are lauded performance cars but they are not about playfulness and silliness at all. They are dead serious in their performance. How often do you hear that you can drive them with so much confidence and that they handle like they are on rails? Well yes because that's the entire point of them.
If you want a car that feels like it wants to kill you like that one guy said than yes you have to go to something like a Ford or now to a lesser extent Hyundai. Their cars are specifically tuned that way. Just keep in mind that if you deem that fun and exciting, in other peoples eyes those are flaws that cost them performance.
There a quite a few comparisons where a Hyundai i30N /Veloster N is deemed more fun than a Civic Type R but at the end of the day the Type R is still the better performance car and there are no doubts about it. That doesn't make the Type R not a hot hatch though.
So yeah a bit of an odd and awkward conclusion to come to because it shows a lack of understanding what a performance car is actually about. It's not about lighting up the tires constantly or throwing out its ass at every turn or making you feel like it wants to kill you.
Edited by Galerion on Tuesday 27th October 10:14
uncleluck said:
The JDM masters review would put me off the car, no excitement at all in the drive and sounds naff.
Summing up they refer to it as a ‘warm hatch’ rather than a hot hatch.
Must admit everything I’ve seen of it on the move looks under steer and that 3cyl engine noise inside... it doesn’t exactly look quick either
Have to say I'm starting to agree with this.Summing up they refer to it as a ‘warm hatch’ rather than a hot hatch.
Must admit everything I’ve seen of it on the move looks under steer and that 3cyl engine noise inside... it doesn’t exactly look quick either
It doesn't look that quick, looks understeer heavy, sounds a bit muted and generally a bit 'nice face, boring personality'
Wonder if that's why there is a heavily enforced press embargo - why let the truth get in the way of the hype.
Galerion said:
Hmm I didn't watch the entire video but I think I see what's the deal there and I find it honestly a bit worrying. Because these guys call themselves JDM Masters and don't seem to get what most Japanese performance cars are about. It's about executing what they set out to do perfectly. Perfection is the keyword here. A car is supposed to drive and a performance car is supposed to do that even faster and better. Therefore a Japanese company would never build something like a Hellcat. It would be an absolutely silly and pointless concept to them.
Take a look at other Japanese performance cars like a Nissan GT-R or a Honda Civic Type R. Those are lauded performance cars but they are not about playfulness and silliness at all. They are dead serious in their performance. How often do you hear that you can drive them with so much confidence and that they handle like they are on rails? Well yes because that's the entire point of them.
If you want a car that feels like it wants to kill you like that one guy said than yes you have to go to something like a Ford or now to a lesser extent Hyundai. Their cars are specifically tuned that way. Just keep in mind that if you deem that fun and exciting, in other peoples eyes those are flaws that cost them performance.
There a quite a few comparisons where a Hyundai i30N /Veloster N is deemed more fun than a Civic Type R but at the end of the day the Type R is still the better performance car and there are no doubts about it. That doesn't make the Type R not a hot hatch though.
So yeah a bit of an odd and awkward conclusion to come to because it shows a lack of understanding what a performance car is actually about. It's not about lighting up the tires constantly or throwing out its ass at every turn or making you feel like it wants to kill you.
I would personally watch a full video before coming to any conclusions otherwise you risk giving an unfair assessment. If you watch their back catalogue, they certainly have enough experience of JDM cars to make a fair assessment and the presenter himself has a lot of racing experience. Take a look at other Japanese performance cars like a Nissan GT-R or a Honda Civic Type R. Those are lauded performance cars but they are not about playfulness and silliness at all. They are dead serious in their performance. How often do you hear that you can drive them with so much confidence and that they handle like they are on rails? Well yes because that's the entire point of them.
If you want a car that feels like it wants to kill you like that one guy said than yes you have to go to something like a Ford or now to a lesser extent Hyundai. Their cars are specifically tuned that way. Just keep in mind that if you deem that fun and exciting, in other peoples eyes those are flaws that cost them performance.
There a quite a few comparisons where a Hyundai i30N /Veloster N is deemed more fun than a Civic Type R but at the end of the day the Type R is still the better performance car and there are no doubts about it. That doesn't make the Type R not a hot hatch though.
So yeah a bit of an odd and awkward conclusion to come to because it shows a lack of understanding what a performance car is actually about. It's not about lighting up the tires constantly or throwing out its ass at every turn or making you feel like it wants to kill you.
Edited by Galerion on Tuesday 27th October 10:14
In their defense, probably they're so used to the feel of the old school Japanese cars that the modern ones don't feel raw enough when you consider increased soundproofing, extra weight and exhaust restrictions etc; the Yaris GR in this case and the likes of the FK2 & Fk8 Civic Type R.
I also say that because this is what I personally felt when I went to test drive the Fk8 Civic R. Drove there in my Integra DC2 R and was happy getting back into my DC2. The Fk8 is the safer, faster and the better all rounder but my DC2 just felt more special to me based on the rawness, feel, lighter weight etc and I'm not hung up on outright performance.
As a side, I also test drove the Hyundai 130N and preferred that to the Civic Tyre R for fun factor though all fingers point to the Type R as the better car. The Hyundai seemed to have the character of the old school hot hatches.
At the end of the video, they're talking about the likelihood of a more stripped out version which I think will be more up their street!
Edited by Koolkat969 on Tuesday 27th October 12:05
Edited by Koolkat969 on Tuesday 27th October 12:06
Galerion said:
Hmm I didn't watch the entire video but I think I see what's the deal there and I find it honestly a bit worrying. Because these guys call themselves JDM Masters and don't seem to get what most Japanese performance cars are about. It's about executing what they set out to do perfectly. Perfection is the keyword here. A car is supposed to drive and a performance car is supposed to do that even faster and better. Therefore a Japanese company would never build something like a Hellcat. It would be an absolutely silly and pointless concept to them.
Take a look at other Japanese performance cars like a Nissan GT-R or a Honda Civic Type R. Those are lauded performance cars but they are not about playfulness and silliness at all. They are dead serious in their performance. How often do you hear that you can drive them with so much confidence and that they handle like they are on rails? Well yes because that's the entire point of them.
If you want a car that feels like it wants to kill you like that one guy said than yes you have to go to something like a Ford or now to a lesser extent Hyundai. Their cars are specifically tuned that way. Just keep in mind that if you deem that fun and exciting, in other peoples eyes those are flaws that cost them performance.
There a quite a few comparisons where a Hyundai i30N /Veloster N is deemed more fun than a Civic Type R but at the end of the day the Type R is still the better performance car and there are no doubts about it. That doesn't make the Type R not a hot hatch though.
So yeah a bit of an odd and awkward conclusion to come to because it shows a lack of understanding what a performance car is actually about. It's not about lighting up the tires constantly or throwing out its ass at every turn or making you feel like it wants to kill you.
Not sure I fully agree with all of that. All the best/ fastest Jap cars have been the more edgy playful ones. Impreza Type R / Spec C, Evos, R32-34 GTR, RX7 etc. None of them handle like they are on rails. About the only one I can think that bucks the trend is the NSX. Take a look at other Japanese performance cars like a Nissan GT-R or a Honda Civic Type R. Those are lauded performance cars but they are not about playfulness and silliness at all. They are dead serious in their performance. How often do you hear that you can drive them with so much confidence and that they handle like they are on rails? Well yes because that's the entire point of them.
If you want a car that feels like it wants to kill you like that one guy said than yes you have to go to something like a Ford or now to a lesser extent Hyundai. Their cars are specifically tuned that way. Just keep in mind that if you deem that fun and exciting, in other peoples eyes those are flaws that cost them performance.
There a quite a few comparisons where a Hyundai i30N /Veloster N is deemed more fun than a Civic Type R but at the end of the day the Type R is still the better performance car and there are no doubts about it. That doesn't make the Type R not a hot hatch though.
So yeah a bit of an odd and awkward conclusion to come to because it shows a lack of understanding what a performance car is actually about. It's not about lighting up the tires constantly or throwing out its ass at every turn or making you feel like it wants to kill you.
Edited by Galerion on Tuesday 27th October 10:14
My Impreza is always devising new and interesting ways to kill me, the mk3 Focus RS my friend had would have me dead through boredom.
Ive been absolutely spanking my I30N around and it never feels anything other than planted and competent, probably more on rails than anything else Ive driven! (not driven a FK8). I've not yet managed to make it run out of ability on the road and its been cornering at about 1.1g apparently. Its also a barrel of laughs as it sounds good, pops n bangs when really pressing on, and the E Diff really rewards you for learning how to use it. It is a little bit slower than the Civic Type R in tests but it is a bit more dailyable (my dog wouldnt go in the boot of a type R), slightly heavier and has a 45-70bhp disadvantage but real world just as fast.
If you want clinical performance you need to go to VAG I think. I actually chose the i30 over an RS4 as it was way more fun.
Are the various V8 Lexuses (Lexi?) whatever lol not a bit Hellcatty in their philosophy?
Regarding those noise cancelling speakers, are they speakers or microphones? I noticed that the RS (the 1.5, CVT FWD one) doesn't have them.
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Those are microphones.
https://minkara.carview.co.jp/userid/712941/blog/2...
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1023518_toyota...
https://www.denso-ten.com/jp/gihou/jp_pdf/Vol01/Vo...
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Those are microphones.
https://minkara.carview.co.jp/userid/712941/blog/2...
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1023518_toyota...
https://www.denso-ten.com/jp/gihou/jp_pdf/Vol01/Vo...
I can not explain about GR Yaris AWD system in English, but the folllowing links are helpful.
https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15102281/be...
https://motor-fan.jp/tech/10013206
https://motor-fan.jp/article/10013234
on-demand coupling system of Yaris GR
- JTEKT ITCC
- LSD RZ;open, RZ high performance; TORSEN type B (both front and rear)
- The key of ITCC is difference of gear ratio between front and rear differential.
- Front[1st-4th]:3.941, [5th-6th, Rev]:3.350 / Rear:2.277
The difference of Ford Focus RS is 2.7%, but its of GR Yaris is under 1%. TOYOTA tested 4.5%, 3.5%, 2.5%, 1.5% and 0.5%. They chose under 1% because it was the best for GR Yaris.
For RC, you can chose optional "RC transfer" . It has no coupling system. 50:50 torque.
https://car.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/impressi...
https://car.watch.impress.co.jp/img/car/docs/1269/...
For gymkhana use or dirt trial use, it is recommended RC transfer and conventional 1 way or 1.5 way LSD.
https://toyotagazooracing.com/pages/contents/jp/gr...
Toyota sell Front 1way/Rear 1.5way for tarmac use, and Front 1way/Rear 1way for gravel use.
This is a blog of a team of gymkhana.
http://www.ms-alpha.co.jp/PageGR4-Kaihatu.html
He is a champ of Japanese gymkhana expert class. He use WRX but tested GR Yaris RC (18 inch) .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4kSrRaqhKM
https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15102281/be...
https://motor-fan.jp/tech/10013206
https://motor-fan.jp/article/10013234
on-demand coupling system of Yaris GR
- JTEKT ITCC
- LSD RZ;open, RZ high performance; TORSEN type B (both front and rear)
- The key of ITCC is difference of gear ratio between front and rear differential.
- Front[1st-4th]:3.941, [5th-6th, Rev]:3.350 / Rear:2.277
The difference of Ford Focus RS is 2.7%, but its of GR Yaris is under 1%. TOYOTA tested 4.5%, 3.5%, 2.5%, 1.5% and 0.5%. They chose under 1% because it was the best for GR Yaris.
For RC, you can chose optional "RC transfer" . It has no coupling system. 50:50 torque.
https://car.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/impressi...
https://car.watch.impress.co.jp/img/car/docs/1269/...
For gymkhana use or dirt trial use, it is recommended RC transfer and conventional 1 way or 1.5 way LSD.
https://toyotagazooracing.com/pages/contents/jp/gr...
Toyota sell Front 1way/Rear 1.5way for tarmac use, and Front 1way/Rear 1way for gravel use.
This is a blog of a team of gymkhana.
http://www.ms-alpha.co.jp/PageGR4-Kaihatu.html
He is a champ of Japanese gymkhana expert class. He use WRX but tested GR Yaris RC (18 inch) .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4kSrRaqhKM
Sam.M said:
Arigato-goziemas
Your English is better than my Japanese.
For the RC car with 17” wheels, do you know if the brakes are smaller than the RZ/circuit pack/high performance cars, or are the same brakes used?
Front brake caliper of 17inch version is 16 inch, so that you can use 15 inch rally wheels. Rear brake is same. Your English is better than my Japanese.
For the RC car with 17” wheels, do you know if the brakes are smaller than the RZ/circuit pack/high performance cars, or are the same brakes used?
https://toyotagazooracing.com/jp/gr/yaris/grade/rc...
There is some discussions about under steer of GR yaris also in Japan, but it was demonstrated that GR yaris was very fast like WRX STI or Evo X.
GR yaris won the Super Taikyu race (very close to normal spec) at Fuji speedway. Its rival is WRX (7 years in a row champion) and Evo X. GR yaris was about 15km/hr slower on the straight line, but fastet lap was GR yaris (around 1min 54 sec). The lap time of normal GR Yaris was 2 min 1sec. It is very fast. In 2nd race of Super Taikyu at SUGO, GR yaris was crashed and final result was 3rd.
https://toyotatimes.jp/insidetoyota/095.html
At GR yaris online FES, a driver mentioned about lap time of Tsukuba circuit. The lap time of GR yaris Prototype was around 1min 5sec.
https://car.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1277649....
https://minkara.carview.co.jp/image.aspx?src=https...
within two weeks the result of time attack by Tsuchiya will come.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CGzR_79hvp4/?igshid=id...
Cusco is developing suspension kit.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CGzR_79hvp4/?igshid=id...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESD0gL5GfoY
GR yaris won the Super Taikyu race (very close to normal spec) at Fuji speedway. Its rival is WRX (7 years in a row champion) and Evo X. GR yaris was about 15km/hr slower on the straight line, but fastet lap was GR yaris (around 1min 54 sec). The lap time of normal GR Yaris was 2 min 1sec. It is very fast. In 2nd race of Super Taikyu at SUGO, GR yaris was crashed and final result was 3rd.
https://toyotatimes.jp/insidetoyota/095.html
At GR yaris online FES, a driver mentioned about lap time of Tsukuba circuit. The lap time of GR yaris Prototype was around 1min 5sec.
https://car.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1277649....
https://minkara.carview.co.jp/image.aspx?src=https...
within two weeks the result of time attack by Tsuchiya will come.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CGzR_79hvp4/?igshid=id...
Cusco is developing suspension kit.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CGzR_79hvp4/?igshid=id...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESD0gL5GfoY
Thanks again Solbbb
Your posts are very informative and it's great to have a window on the Japanese scene
1m5s at Tsukuba is very impressive for a road car.
To add to the case against understeer, the most recent videos from Japanese Youtuber GT-R GT-R GT-R at Fuji Speedway show him getting oversteer in the dry quite easily.
Your posts are very informative and it's great to have a window on the Japanese scene
1m5s at Tsukuba is very impressive for a road car.
To add to the case against understeer, the most recent videos from Japanese Youtuber GT-R GT-R GT-R at Fuji Speedway show him getting oversteer in the dry quite easily.
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