Re : Toyota GR Yaris - official!
Discussion
Nice overview of the JTEKT AWD system used in the GR here:-
https://www.jtekt.com.cn/en/uploads/soft/160618/ca...
https://www.jtekt.com.cn/en/uploads/soft/160618/ca...
Koolkat969 said:
I would personally watch a full video before coming to any conclusions otherwise you risk giving an unfair assessment. If you watch their back catalogue, they certainly have enough experience of JDM cars to make a fair assessment and the presenter himself has a lot of racing experience.
In their defense, probably they're so used to the feel of the old school Japanese cars that the modern ones don't feel raw enough when you consider increased soundproofing, extra weight and exhaust restrictions etc; the Yaris GR in this case and the likes of the FK2 & Fk8 Civic Type R.
I also say that because this is what I personally felt when I went to test drive the Fk8 Civic R. Drove there in my Integra DC2 R and was happy getting back into my DC2. The Fk8 is the safer, faster and the better all rounder but my DC2 just felt more special to me based on the rawness, feel, lighter weight etc and I'm not hung up on outright performance.
As a side, I also test drove the Hyundai 130N and preferred that to the Civic Tyre R for fun factor though all fingers point to the Type R as the better car. The Hyundai seemed to have the character of the old school hot hatches.
At the end of the video, they're talking about the likelihood of a more stripped out version which I think will be more up their street!
Im not doubting their experience or skill. It's just like the thing you agree with. The GR Yaris is not an old-school hatch or will feel like one. It's built to be as fast and competent as it can be. People who have expected something like a Fiesta ST on roids will be disappointed. That was never its mission or goal.In their defense, probably they're so used to the feel of the old school Japanese cars that the modern ones don't feel raw enough when you consider increased soundproofing, extra weight and exhaust restrictions etc; the Yaris GR in this case and the likes of the FK2 & Fk8 Civic Type R.
I also say that because this is what I personally felt when I went to test drive the Fk8 Civic R. Drove there in my Integra DC2 R and was happy getting back into my DC2. The Fk8 is the safer, faster and the better all rounder but my DC2 just felt more special to me based on the rawness, feel, lighter weight etc and I'm not hung up on outright performance.
As a side, I also test drove the Hyundai 130N and preferred that to the Civic Tyre R for fun factor though all fingers point to the Type R as the better car. The Hyundai seemed to have the character of the old school hot hatches.
At the end of the video, they're talking about the likelihood of a more stripped out version which I think will be more up their street!
RB Will said:
Are the various V8 Lexuses (Lexi?) whatever lol not a bit Hellcatty in their philosophy?
As an ex-owner of an IS-F I can tell you its not the case. The car was just as comfortable and docile as any other Lexus in normal use. That's what some people are criticizing about them. They are not as fast and brutish like some of the German competition like a C63.Lemmie preface this by saying I like JDM masters, but that video had lots of incorrect information and was a deeply flawed test.
1) They completely got the pricing of the base model they're testing wrong and as such ended up comparing it with significantly more expensive cars.
2) He talks about the roof being aluminium, it isnt but thats neither here nor there.
3) They clearly get the torque splits wrong on the modes (talking about 50/50 split in sport mode, then agreeing how more stable the car feels as if they could notice while driving in a straight)
4) The race driver mentioned to me on instagram he thinks the S1 is much faster...which it isnt by any metric at all, its down by 37bhp and 110kg heavier.
5) They say 1,280kg is heavy for a car of this sort. What bilge! For a new car of that size with AWD thats bloody good!
Now I get the lads have to knock content out quickly but what they were saying does not stack up with the data in any way. For a channel who prides themself on doing lots of research and going "in depth" on the cars, it was a bit of a letdown.
One thing I think everyone agrees on though is the exhaust note is a massive fail haha.
I will say I'll wait for the likes of Harris, Meaden and Metcalf to review the car.
Given the weight distribution and the tendancy for manufacturers to set up oem alignments NOT to make the car twitchy, it might push understeer until provoked, but I bet a good alignment can sort most of that out straight away.
This guy can drive...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU1xq2N1nKU
1) They completely got the pricing of the base model they're testing wrong and as such ended up comparing it with significantly more expensive cars.
2) He talks about the roof being aluminium, it isnt but thats neither here nor there.
3) They clearly get the torque splits wrong on the modes (talking about 50/50 split in sport mode, then agreeing how more stable the car feels as if they could notice while driving in a straight)
4) The race driver mentioned to me on instagram he thinks the S1 is much faster...which it isnt by any metric at all, its down by 37bhp and 110kg heavier.
5) They say 1,280kg is heavy for a car of this sort. What bilge! For a new car of that size with AWD thats bloody good!
Now I get the lads have to knock content out quickly but what they were saying does not stack up with the data in any way. For a channel who prides themself on doing lots of research and going "in depth" on the cars, it was a bit of a letdown.
One thing I think everyone agrees on though is the exhaust note is a massive fail haha.
I will say I'll wait for the likes of Harris, Meaden and Metcalf to review the car.
Given the weight distribution and the tendancy for manufacturers to set up oem alignments NOT to make the car twitchy, it might push understeer until provoked, but I bet a good alignment can sort most of that out straight away.
This guy can drive...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU1xq2N1nKU
Captain Obvious said:
Lemmie preface this by saying I like JDM masters, but that video had lots of incorrect information and was a deeply flawed test.
Good summary and reflects what I thought of it. The information he read out of that brochure was interesting. I guess he couldn't get that too wrong (the roof excepted...). I want to get one of those brochures.....RB Will said:
Wonder if there is a mistake in the press release or brochure or something because the article on PH said it had a metal roof too
I think the Toyota information is not 100% correct. On the Toyota JP website it says that only the RZ "high performance" (Circuit Pack in UK, Rallye in Australia) gets the battery in the boot.... rodericb said:
I think the Toyota information is not 100% correct. On the Toyota JP website it says that only the RZ "high performance" (Circuit Pack in UK, Rallye in Australia) gets the battery in the boot....
Have you seen that battery?There is no way that thing even fits in the engine bay.
Galerion said:
rodericb said:
I think the Toyota information is not 100% correct. On the Toyota JP website it says that only the RZ "high performance" (Circuit Pack in UK, Rallye in Australia) gets the battery in the boot....
Have you seen that battery?There is no way that thing even fits in the engine bay.
rodericb said:
Good summary and reflects what I thought of it. The information he read out of that brochure was interesting. I guess he couldn't get that too wrong (the roof excepted...). I want to get one of those brochures.....
He kept saying that Sport mode was 50:50 split - but the brochure said (and Ive seen it written before) it's 30:70 - track is 50:50. A pretty major mistake imo. On the other hand we have been led to believe that it's a fun car - and it really did sound competent rather than fun. As others have said we'll have to see what other journalists think - we haven't got long to wait - but I'm less optimistic than I was. bcr5784 said:
rodericb said:
Good summary and reflects what I thought of it. The information he read out of that brochure was interesting. I guess he couldn't get that too wrong (the roof excepted...). I want to get one of those brochures.....
He kept saying that Sport mode was 50:50 split - but the brochure said (and Ive seen it written before) it's 30:70 - track is 50:50. A pretty major mistake imo. On the other hand we have been led to believe that it's a fun car - and it really did sound competent rather than fun. As others have said we'll have to see what other journalists think - we haven't got long to wait - but I'm less optimistic than I was. Watch this and tell me the car doesn't look fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU1xq2N1nKU
Sam.M said:
You need a bucket of salt to go with the JDM Masters review. It's terrible.
Watch this and tell me the car doesn't look fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU1xq2N1nKU
That was on a wet track - the jury is out for me at the moment.Watch this and tell me the car doesn't look fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU1xq2N1nKU
If GR-4 :
- is essentially a new model line (different assembly line and no shared panels, model specific drive train, hand-built engine) not just a tuned up standard model
- has components that focus on driver engagement over outright performance (manual gearbox vs DSG)
it seems inconceivable for all that effort that "fun" and driving enjoyment was not the no1 deliverable and was not achieved. It would be a massive technical fail for Toyota, even if not for sales.
Hopefully all this paranoia based on very little info is just buyers expressing their anxieties to insulate themselves against yet another 2020 kick in the groin.
- is essentially a new model line (different assembly line and no shared panels, model specific drive train, hand-built engine) not just a tuned up standard model
- has components that focus on driver engagement over outright performance (manual gearbox vs DSG)
it seems inconceivable for all that effort that "fun" and driving enjoyment was not the no1 deliverable and was not achieved. It would be a massive technical fail for Toyota, even if not for sales.
Hopefully all this paranoia based on very little info is just buyers expressing their anxieties to insulate themselves against yet another 2020 kick in the groin.
bcr5784 said:
Sam.M said:
You need a bucket of salt to go with the JDM Masters review. It's terrible.
Watch this and tell me the car doesn't look fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU1xq2N1nKU
That was on a wet track - the jury is out for me at the moment.Watch this and tell me the car doesn't look fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU1xq2N1nKU
Look at channel GT-R GT-R GT-R on youtube, specifically the multiple 20+ minute videos at Fuji Speedway.
If you can get past his terrible throttle control, you'll see the car will oversteer in the dry easily too.
Sam.M said:
bcr5784 said:
Sam.M said:
You need a bucket of salt to go with the JDM Masters review. It's terrible.
Watch this and tell me the car doesn't look fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU1xq2N1nKU
That was on a wet track - the jury is out for me at the moment.Watch this and tell me the car doesn't look fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU1xq2N1nKU
Look at channel GT-R GT-R GT-R on youtube, specifically the multiple 20+ minute videos at Fuji Speedway.
If you can get past his terrible throttle control, you'll see the car will oversteer in the dry easily too.
Sam.M said:
You need a bucket of salt to go with the JDM Masters review. It's terrible.
Watch this and tell me the car doesn't look fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU1xq2N1nKU
I disagree, he got a few bits wrong but ultimately I thought it was a good in depth review - plus it was free, so we can't argue.Watch this and tell me the car doesn't look fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU1xq2N1nKU
The exhaust note is disappointing, but to be expected.
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