Re : Toyota GR Yaris - official!
Discussion
DoubleTime said:
How long until the first PHer takes delivery now then? Must be getting close to docking
There's an embargo on cars hitting the road, both demonstrators and customer cars, before the 10th.I'm told my car is at the depot and will be registered and ready to collect by the 17th. Dealer has sent me a screenshot of the COL2 order showing this info.
Still awaiting confirmation of a date for a test drive.
Sam.M said:
A wet track like the months and months of wet roads we have in the UK? 
Look at channel GT-R GT-R GT-R on youtube, specifically the multiple 20+ minute videos at Fuji Speedway.
If you can get past his terrible throttle control, you'll see the car will oversteer in the dry easily too.
But who’s going to be drifting it around on the roads in the wet?. I’d be looking for a more fun chassis in the dry where you’re not very likely to crash! Most people tend to take more care in the wet on public roads not look to exploit the potential of their car.Look at channel GT-R GT-R GT-R on youtube, specifically the multiple 20+ minute videos at Fuji Speedway.
If you can get past his terrible throttle control, you'll see the car will oversteer in the dry easily too.
I was excited about the car, I’m not wanting to be a downer on it but it doesn’t exactly look exciting/fast/fun from the JDM vid (and I’d have expected them to wax lyrical about it honestly). The ‘ring vids I’ve seen of it are just tyre sliding under steer noise and look.
uncleluck said:
I’d be looking for a more fun chassis in the dry where you’re not very likely to crash!
It's like you ignored the part of my comment where I pointed at evidence of oversteer in the dry. How strange. Maybe try reading it again and looking at the content I pointed at. 
uncleluck said:
But who’s going to be drifting it around on the roads in the wet?
Maybe I'm just more honest that most people on here, but yeah, I have and would again enjoy a bit of wet slidey fun when I deem it safe to do so. MX5 with LSD in the wet is great fun, as I'm sure the GR will be in sport mode, wet or dry, though I'm sure in the dry it'll want more provocation. To be fair my MX5 needs provocation in the dry to slide, but will do it.
I'm sure I'll now get a deluge of holier than thou types telling me I'm literally automotive Hitler for the odd wet drift, but whatever.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 29th October 11:13
bcr5784 said:
Sam.M said:
You need a bucket of salt to go with the JDM Masters review. It's terrible.
Watch this and tell me the car doesn't look fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU1xq2N1nKU
That was on a wet track - the jury is out for me at the moment.Watch this and tell me the car doesn't look fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU1xq2N1nKU
Krikkit said:
bcr5784 said:
Sam.M said:
You need a bucket of salt to go with the JDM Masters review. It's terrible.
Watch this and tell me the car doesn't look fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU1xq2N1nKU
That was on a wet track - the jury is out for me at the moment.Watch this and tell me the car doesn't look fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU1xq2N1nKU
Sam.M said:
uncleluck said:
But who’s going to be drifting it around on the roads in the wet?
Maybe I'm just more honest that most people on here, but yeah, I have and would again enjoy a bit of wet slidey fun when I deem it safe to do so. MX5 with LSD in the wet is great fun, as I'm sure the GR will be in sport mode, wet or dry, though I'm sure in the dry it'll want more provocation. To be fair my MX5 needs provocation in the dry to slide, but will do it.
I'm sure I'll now get a deluge of holier than thou types telling me I'm literally automotive Hitler for the odd wet drift, but whatever.
Krikkit said:
I'm not sure why you're expecting a 4WD car with "only" 270hp to be some lairy oversteer monster in dry conditions. Maybe if you fit ditchfinders to the rear and put it in silly mode... Or just buy a BMW 135 and put ditchfinders on the rear - then you'll definitely get silly oversteer everywhere. Not really the point of this car, it looks brilliant to me.
I'm not expecting that. The bottom line for me is that they were clearly underwhelmed by the car. I don't want a lairly oversteer monster wet or dry - but I do want throttle adjustability at sane speeds - like an MX5, GT86. Fiesta ST or an A110 provide.Well mine is due at the dealers on 14th. I am a little apprehensive,
Maybe we are expecting too much, at the end of the day it’s not going to be a slow car & with today’s traffic you can’t exactly fly around everywhere.
Iam hoping it can ge a bit tail happy, but I have other cars for “skids”.
I am more hoping for loads of snow & I can fit a set of winter tyres in it
Maybe we are expecting too much, at the end of the day it’s not going to be a slow car & with today’s traffic you can’t exactly fly around everywhere.
Iam hoping it can ge a bit tail happy, but I have other cars for “skids”.
I am more hoping for loads of snow & I can fit a set of winter tyres in it
Lighty said:
Well mine is due at the dealers on 14th. I am a little apprehensive,
Maybe we are expecting too much, at the end of the day it’s not going to be a slow car & with today’s traffic you can’t exactly fly around everywhere.
Iam hoping it can ge a bit tail happy, but I have other cars for “skids”.
I am more hoping for loads of snow & I can fit a set of winter tyres in it
Have you been able to confirm a test in their demonstrator, or are you happy to go in blind as it were?Maybe we are expecting too much, at the end of the day it’s not going to be a slow car & with today’s traffic you can’t exactly fly around everywhere.
Iam hoping it can ge a bit tail happy, but I have other cars for “skids”.
I am more hoping for loads of snow & I can fit a set of winter tyres in it
Most cars can be pushed into undesirable handling traits by driving them inappropriately for their drive layouts. This car will feel oversteery to a fwd person and understeery to a rwd person. What I’ve learnt from a few years with a company Hilux is pretty much anything can be made to handle well if the correct driving style is used for that vehicle...
As for hooning in wet weather, I never leave home without deactivating traction control. Much more fun at much safer speeds
As for hooning in wet weather, I never leave home without deactivating traction control. Much more fun at much safer speeds
GrJa said:
Most cars can be pushed into undesirable handling traits by driving them inappropriately for their drive layouts. This car will feel oversteery to a fwd person and understeery to a rwd person. What I’ve learnt from a few years with a company Hilux is pretty much anything can be made to handle well if the correct driving style is used for that vehicle...
As for hooning in wet weather, I never leave home without deactivating traction control. Much more fun at much safer speeds
Totally agree, any car is fun with the correct attitude , looking forward to learning it.As for hooning in wet weather, I never leave home without deactivating traction control. Much more fun at much safer speeds
bcr5784 said:
I'm not expecting that. The bottom line for me is that they were clearly underwhelmed by the car. I don't want a lairly oversteer monster wet or dry - but I do want throttle adjustability at sane speeds - like an MX5, GT86. Fiesta ST or an A110 provide.
Three RWD cars and one FWD one that is specifically tuned to be silly.If those are the benchmarks you are using it's easy to see where the problem is. You basically set yourself up for disappointment.
I'm pretty confident the Yaris will be faster than all of those besides the Alpine. That's what counts. At least to me and many others. There are other factors too that make the car very appealing and either you get them or you don't. There isn't much to discuss about them because they are 100% subjective like apprecitating where and how it is made. From which materials it is made. How much thought and work was put into it. That it is offered at a price that is so low that no other manufacturer can give something comparable and that Toyota makes no profit from it either. That it's unique in general and has no comparable rivals in it's class. Etc., etc., etc.
Again this is no Fiesta ST on steroids and never was meant to be. It supposed to be the base and road-going version of a Rallye car and there are enough videos out there that prove that it is very good at that.
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