Subaru vs bike head on collision.

[LeoSayer]

RB Will said:

I guess that with no panic and the correct line etc the corner was negotiable at the original speed as the Legacy follows him in and even manages to turn even tighter onto the inside verge on exit all while braking.

The Legacy had the benefit of seeing the car in front take the bend so may well have the opportunity to slow down at an earlier stage.

[mantovani]

That video is why anybody who wishes to drive should at the very least go out on small motor cycle before getting behind the wheel of any car, just to know how being on one is no fun anymore, and before you get the the dick heads going on about big bikes and tall speed, you only need two lots of 20mph and game over.

[anonymous-user]

Ridiculous.

[Slipperywang]

I ride that road almost weekly because it is close to where I live.

The corner is sharper than it looks, its off camber(the road sort of domes in the middle), down hill in the direction the driver is going, poor road condition, gravely, bumpy, a lot narrower than it appears and it's just a st corner. If i'm in the car you would take it around 40-50mph depend on weather and other factors.

Edited by Slipperywang on Wednesday 15th January 14:49

[Donbot]

mantovani said:

That video is why anybody who wishes to drive should at the very least go out on small motor cycle before getting behind the wheel of any car, just to know how being on one is no fun anymore, and before you get the the dick heads going on about big bikes and tall speed, you only need two lots of 20mph and game over.

I and many other people would disagree with you on that.

Statistically the roads are very safe in this country. You just have to hope you don't get involved in someone else's accident.

[LarsG]

Analyse it how you want, make excuses but it was a case of poor driving. It need not have happened, could have been avoided.

[MJK 24]

I see these chaps have gone into almost forensic levels of detail into this crash.

Really interesting if you’ve a spare ten minutes handy. Made me look at something that looks very straightforward and cut and dried completely differently.

https://youtu.be/QpGb5LFzKtE

[GravelBen]

MJK 24 said:

I see these chaps have gone into almost forensic levels of detail into this crash.

Really interesting if you’ve a spare ten minutes handy. Made me look at something that looks very straightforward and cut and dried completely differently.

https://youtu.be/QpGb5LFzKtE

Very interesting indeed, certainly helps you understand how he got caught out - pretty horrible piece of road!

I wonder if part of the reason the Legacy behind him didn't have the same issue was the softer suspension soaking up the bumps and not getting bounced wide. Of course it may have slowed earlier too.

[g3org3y]

That was really interesting, thanks for posting. Awaiting Part 2!

Does the Highways Agency (or whoever is responsible for maintaining this bit of road) have a responsibility for appropriate signage to highlight a 'dangerous' corner - whether that be a sign, SLOW painted on the approach or chevron armco etc?

Does there need to be X number of incidents at a certain location before this type of action would be considered (or even legally obliged)?

[carinaman]

Thanks for posting the link.

[alfaspecial]

Thanks for the link. Very interesting. Presumably the authorities came to a similar conclusion*

I often think that road signage can be a bit 'questionable' - sometimes the same sign is used in entirely different situations.

Would it an idea be to 'paint' thick slow down lines across the road approaching particularly potentially dangerous bends - you sometimes see/hear/(and) feel! them on dual carriageways - when approaching roundabouts ie lines crossing the lane with decreasing gaps between them? (in order to give the driver the impression that they are increasing speed and thereby take action to slow down).
Had there been such lines 100 feet before the bend in question this would have been a very strong sensory warning to the driver of a hazard ahead.

• Maybe it was just a 'coincidence' that some (pretty shabby) road repairs have been carried our since the collision?

[Driver101]

I was surprised when the guy got jailed at the time. That explanation just backs up my opinion.

[21st Century Man]

Fascinating video. I would imagine that more than a few of us will be retracting their armchair comments, me included.

The softer suspension comment above is very valid imo, on roads like that, rubber bands, stiff suspension and anti roll bars aren't helping.

[jonwm]

Very interesting, I'm surprised the sentence was so long considering the professionals opinion was the road was poor and he clearly had no speed issues in the approach.

Very sad state of affairs all round though, quite a shocking accident to be involved in, looking forward to part 2.

[Falconer]

Dr Jekyll said:

A1VDY said:

The problem here with talk of vanishing point, heel and toe, racing line, cornering at 0.8g ect ect is that we're talking of the public roads here.
All this bks needs to be kept for the track..

Vanishing point is a road driving concept with no relevance to the track.

Absolutely. Everyone should learn that one. Just sums up lack of knowledge in these comments especially from non Subaru drivers.

[0ddball]

So basically he was still going too fast for a corner on a road he wasn't familiar with.

[Dr Jekyll]

0ddball said:

So basically he was still going too fast for a corner on a road he wasn't familiar with.

'Basically' he was going too fast for that corner b]because[/b] he didn't correctly assess the hazards, and this error was partly because the hazards were genuinely hard to spot, gradient, sudden deterioration in road surface. Then his eye was caught by the very poor surface on the left which both distracted him from the oncoming traffic and prompted him to move to the right.

It was complicated, the holes in the cheese lined up. We'd all like to say 'it happened because he was a hooligan' because of course that means it couldn't possibly have happened to us. In reality he made mistakes, and analysing why he made them isn't making excuses for him, it's a way of learning and avoiding them.

[V8RX7]

0ddball said:

So basically he was still going too fast for a corner on a road he wasn't familiar with.

As is usually the case.

When my friends have crashed and blame XYZ I simply ask

Did the car in front of you crash ?

Did the car behind you crash ?

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V8RX7 said:

0ddball said:

So basically he was still going too fast for a corner on a road he wasn't familiar with.

As is usually the case.

When my friends have crashed and blame XYZ I simply ask

Did the car in front of you crash ?

Did the car behind you crash ?

Completely agree.

Yes, there were lots of other factors/hazards at that particular location, but that happens at some point on most journeys. The fact is he didn't leave himself enough of a safety margin or buffer to be able to cope.