The "S**t Driving Caught On Cam" Thread (Vol 5)
Discussion
saaby93 said:
Who expected the cyclist to swing back across??
Honestly, a few years of commuting on a bike into London has made me so alert to the possibility of cyclists (and bloody pedestrians) capable of doing the most stupid of things. No doubt the cyclist was a plum for his erratic manoeuvre but the warning signs were already there by him jumping the red light, Mr Rossi should have been on full alert following that and just steered, quite literally, clear of him. Osinjak said:
saaby93 said:
Who expected the cyclist to swing back across??
Honestly, a few years of commuting on a bike into London has made me so alert to the possibility of cyclists (and bloody pedestrians) capable of doing the most stupid of things. No doubt the cyclist was a plum for his erratic manoeuvre but the warning signs were already there by him jumping the red light, Mr Rossi should have been on full alert following that and just steered, quite literally, clear of him. Bonefish Blues said:
Osinjak said:
saaby93 said:
Who expected the cyclist to swing back across??
Honestly, a few years of commuting on a bike into London has made me so alert to the possibility of cyclists (and bloody pedestrians) capable of doing the most stupid of things. No doubt the cyclist was a plum for his erratic manoeuvre but the warning signs were already there by him jumping the red light, Mr Rossi should have been on full alert following that and just steered, quite literally, clear of him. If I've seen that sort of thing once, I've seen it a hundred times in London. You have to have a heightened sense of self-preservation about you because you'd end up going mad otherwise, it's just not worth it. You can't mitigate every single potential problem otherwise you'd end up paralysed by fear but that one in the clip is piss easy to avoid, you just literally go around it and get on with your day. You can analyse it to death but the simple fact is you just get some distance between you and that hazard (because he's already proved himself to be one), watch him like a hawk and just get round him.
Edited by Osinjak on Saturday 24th October 12:46
Kawasicki said:
Thought provoking video. I've paused it several times including now after the chap on blue Suzuki almost hit the telegraph pole on the left hand bend. There's an upside that to that point at least two riders have admitted it's their fault.Blue Suzuki rider has made the error of looking at what they're going to hit rather than where they want to go?
It seems one of the submitted clips may be from a rider that has their own YouTube channel which like the Ninja rider in Toronto that took out the cyclist approaching a junction has disabled comments.
tting maple syrup onto some poutine eh.Kawasicki said:
One thing I took from that video is that when riders ended up off-road, the ones who stayed upright were the ones who didn't panic and grab a handful of brake, but rather slowed more gradually. Not always an option, I appreciate!My bike teacher used to make the point that the wheels give gyroscopic stability, and as soon as you lock the front one you will be going down.
There's a boot full of WTF moments on this one--> Dash Cam Owners Australia October 2020 On the Road Compilation.
Kawasicki said:
At least it managed five minutes without 'rev bombing'. pablo said:
Cyclist wasn’t suicidal, he was moving away from the kerb and taking a better line around the corner. Probably should have done a shoulder check but then if the rules of the road are don’t undertake on the right, backed up by grandad on the Harley, then the muppet on the green bike was 100% wrong.
I rather think that the cyclist was suicidal, or at the very least a complete moron; he’d just gone straight through a junction on a red light, followed by ridiculous positioning at the accident junction - he commenced his right turn from the left lane. Couple this with wearing headphones so it is unlikely he could heard traffic approaching from behind, along with no hand signal, nor shoulder check... not a sensible chap for ensuring his longevity in this world. He effectively made an unsafe lane change and hit the biker. Now, the biker ought to have been more cautious around the cyclist, as he’d just witnessed him cycle through a red light, deducing that this particular cyclist isn’t likely to be following rules of the road and/or is likely to do something stupid again. To me, the cyclist moving out to the left lane ahead of the traffic lights did, given a total lack of any other signal, suggest via his road positioning that he intended to follow the blue saloon car or even possibly continue moving left to turn left. I can see why the biker took the right hand lane; taking whichever lane didn’t have the cyclist. It doesn’t appear to be a right-only lane, so the biker was entitled to use that lane to go straight on. The “undertaking” appeared to be merely nothing more than a function of speed differential, given that it appears the traffic lights had only just changed, hence traffic in the left lane was only moving off.
Both parties could have ridden more defensively, but for me the cyclist was an utter tart with zero situational awareness. Had he stayed in the right hand lane, with an arm signal for the benefit of other road users, he would have got knocked off.
Muddle238 said:
I rather think that the cyclist was suicidal, or at the very least a complete moron; he’d just gone straight through a junction on a red light, followed by ridiculous positioning at the accident junction - he commenced his right turn from the left lane. Couple this with wearing headphones so it is unlikely he could heard traffic approaching from behind, along with no hand signal, nor shoulder check... not a sensible chap for ensuring his longevity in this world. He effectively made an unsafe lane change and hit the biker.
Now, the biker ought to have been more cautious around the cyclist, as he’d just witnessed him cycle through a red light, deducing that this particular cyclist isn’t likely to be following rules of the road and/or is likely to do something stupid again. To me, the cyclist moving out to the left lane ahead of the traffic lights did, given a total lack of any other signal, suggest via his road positioning that he intended to follow the blue saloon car or even possibly continue moving left to turn left. I can see why the biker took the right hand lane; taking whichever lane didn’t have the cyclist. It doesn’t appear to be a right-only lane, so the biker was entitled to use that lane to go straight on. The “undertaking” appeared to be merely nothing more than a function of speed differential, given that it appears the traffic lights had only just changed, hence traffic in the left lane was only moving off.
Both parties could have ridden more defensively, but for me the cyclist was an utter tart with zero situational awareness. Had he stayed in the right hand lane, with an arm signal for the benefit of other road users, he would (not) have got knocked off.
I cycle and motorbike.Now, the biker ought to have been more cautious around the cyclist, as he’d just witnessed him cycle through a red light, deducing that this particular cyclist isn’t likely to be following rules of the road and/or is likely to do something stupid again. To me, the cyclist moving out to the left lane ahead of the traffic lights did, given a total lack of any other signal, suggest via his road positioning that he intended to follow the blue saloon car or even possibly continue moving left to turn left. I can see why the biker took the right hand lane; taking whichever lane didn’t have the cyclist. It doesn’t appear to be a right-only lane, so the biker was entitled to use that lane to go straight on. The “undertaking” appeared to be merely nothing more than a function of speed differential, given that it appears the traffic lights had only just changed, hence traffic in the left lane was only moving off.
Both parties could have ridden more defensively, but for me the cyclist was an utter tart with zero situational awareness. Had he stayed in the right hand lane, with an arm signal for the benefit of other road users, he would (not) have got knocked off.
This is pretty much my take (with brackets in last phrase).
Cyclist is not an HGV, he doesn't need to swing out to turn.
All I would add is that, if the motorcyclist had just tutted and shaken head instead of chasing, there would also have been no problem. But how he rode at the junction itself seemed ... not too bad, really.
defblade said:
Muddle238 said:
I rather think that the cyclist was suicidal, or at the very least a complete moron; he’d just gone straight through a junction on a red light, followed by ridiculous positioning at the accident junction - he commenced his right turn from the left lane. Couple this with wearing headphones so it is unlikely he could heard traffic approaching from behind, along with no hand signal, nor shoulder check... not a sensible chap for ensuring his longevity in this world. He effectively made an unsafe lane change and hit the biker.
Now, the biker ought to have been more cautious around the cyclist, as he’d just witnessed him cycle through a red light, deducing that this particular cyclist isn’t likely to be following rules of the road and/or is likely to do something stupid again. To me, the cyclist moving out to the left lane ahead of the traffic lights did, given a total lack of any other signal, suggest via his road positioning that he intended to follow the blue saloon car or even possibly continue moving left to turn left. I can see why the biker took the right hand lane; taking whichever lane didn’t have the cyclist. It doesn’t appear to be a right-only lane, so the biker was entitled to use that lane to go straight on. The “undertaking” appeared to be merely nothing more than a function of speed differential, given that it appears the traffic lights had only just changed, hence traffic in the left lane was only moving off.
Both parties could have ridden more defensively, but for me the cyclist was an utter tart with zero situational awareness. Had he stayed in the right hand lane, with an arm signal for the benefit of other road users, he would (not) have got knocked off.
I cycle and motorbike.Now, the biker ought to have been more cautious around the cyclist, as he’d just witnessed him cycle through a red light, deducing that this particular cyclist isn’t likely to be following rules of the road and/or is likely to do something stupid again. To me, the cyclist moving out to the left lane ahead of the traffic lights did, given a total lack of any other signal, suggest via his road positioning that he intended to follow the blue saloon car or even possibly continue moving left to turn left. I can see why the biker took the right hand lane; taking whichever lane didn’t have the cyclist. It doesn’t appear to be a right-only lane, so the biker was entitled to use that lane to go straight on. The “undertaking” appeared to be merely nothing more than a function of speed differential, given that it appears the traffic lights had only just changed, hence traffic in the left lane was only moving off.
Both parties could have ridden more defensively, but for me the cyclist was an utter tart with zero situational awareness. Had he stayed in the right hand lane, with an arm signal for the benefit of other road users, he would (not) have got knocked off.
This is pretty much my take (with brackets in last phrase).
Cyclist is not an HGV, he doesn't need to swing out to turn.
All I would add is that, if the motorcyclist had just tutted and shaken head instead of chasing, there would also have been no problem. But how he rode at the junction itself seemed ... not too bad, really.
Laurel Green said:
There's a boot full of WTF moments on this one--> Dash Cam Owners Australia October 2020 On the Road Compilation.
Handbrake turn at 7:06 
Laurel Green said:
There's a boot full of WTF moments on this one--> Dash Cam Owners Australia October 2020 On the Road Compilation.
Lol at the last clip. I always play 'spot the hazard' on these things but I didn't see that coming, should have expected an Aussie hazard!defblade said:
I cycle and motorbike.
This is pretty much my take (with brackets in last phrase).
Cyclist is not an HGV, he doesn't need to swing out to turn.
All I would add is that, if the motorcyclist had just tutted and shaken head instead of chasing, there would also have been no problem. But how he rode at the junction itself seemed ... not too bad, really.
I'd be surprised if Mr Ninja hasn't taken a similar line through corners before.This is pretty much my take (with brackets in last phrase).
Cyclist is not an HGV, he doesn't need to swing out to turn.
All I would add is that, if the motorcyclist had just tutted and shaken head instead of chasing, there would also have been no problem. But how he rode at the junction itself seemed ... not too bad, really.
Here's my line through a hairpin bend on today's ride - I briefly crossed the centreline to get a better angle on the thing. It was safe to do so.
The motorcyclist is clearly aware that the right lane is straight-and-right. The cyclist is doing something weird by not taking the rightmost lane that serves their destination. It's quite possible for them to think "oops, I thought that was a right-only" and shimmy back across. Or that they are taking an aggressive line on the corner.
Overtaking past a junction is foolish. Overtaking in an unexpected manner, with a vehicle that is behaving in an unexpected manner, is utterly moronic.
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