Volkswagen T Roc R | UK Drive

Volkswagen T Roc R | UK Drive

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Sheepshanks

32,725 posts

119 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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GTEYE said:
It’s a £40k car with a £15k car interior.
This is why manufacturers love SUVs - they’re fantastically profitable.

Edited by Sheepshanks on Saturday 18th January 09:35

Downward

3,575 posts

103 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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Cupra Aceta is cheaper, more equipment, looks better and is the same underpinnings.

edc

9,234 posts

251 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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Downward said:
Cupra Aceta is cheaper, more equipment, looks better and is the same underpinnings.
The same sort of argument for all Seat/Skoda Vs VW or VW Vs Audi.

JackReacher

2,126 posts

215 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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The boot on these is no bigger than a golf hatch, so offers no practicality advantage.

Sheepshanks

32,725 posts

119 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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Downward said:
Cupra Aceta is cheaper, more equipment, looks better and is the same underpinnings.
The sizing of VAG’s SUVs overlaps a bit but Ateca is Tiguan sized. SEAT’s T-Roc equivalent is Arona.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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Engineering genius by VW.
Make it shorter so you can lease more to cram outside the school gates.

the_hood

771 posts

194 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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GTEYE said:
It’s a £40k car with a £15k car interior.
This! Surprising that VW gave it such a low rent interior. It'll sell well, that's reason enough to build them.

big_rob_sydney

3,401 posts

194 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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So it has been touted as a better steer than the Golf, with reasons XYZ given, but then we're told because it's heavy, it isn't.

So which is it? Or is this another example of the famous British double-speak, which is deliberately vague on the one hand, yet tries to make a point on the other?

Or were you just drunk when you wrote this?

nickfrog

21,095 posts

217 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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JackReacher said:
The boot on these is no bigger than a golf hatch, so offers no practicality advantage.
Not sure. The T Cross I have been in are significantly bigger than a Golf (including the variable boot) and far more practical, depending on your needs. I could put my enduro push bike standing at the back of the Karoq so I imagine you can do that in the VW, but not in a Golf. If you add the ground clearance and the longer suspension travel it becomes a far more versatile car than the Golf, which would be a non starter from a space and (modest but sufficient) off road ability POV.
I guess different people have different needs and priorities in a car.

Edited by nickfrog on Saturday 18th January 12:59

NDNDNDND

2,017 posts

183 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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nickfrog said:
Water Fairy said:
Non driver

As in not interested in, nor derives pleasure from driving
That will be me. Road driving bores me to death. In SE England it's about traffic, pot holes and speed enforcement. A SUV is perfect and I don't have to use it for track days or Ring trips.
I have to admit, I don't get this idea that its impossible to have fun driving on the roads. I live in the SE, and there are fantastic roads here, if you know where to look. That said, I do try to drive everywhere in an MX-5. I mean, I don't want to be one of those people who check out posters' profiles but Nick, you appear to drive a Peugeot 3008. I mean, it's little wonder you hate road driving... I can see it's not your only car, but still.

f1nn

2,693 posts

192 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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I see the PH masses are managing to get all frothy mouthed...

Golf R: Perfectly capable and effective hot hatch.

T-Roc R : You may as well hand in your driving licence

Same drivetrain, same MQB platform, as close in weight and dynamics as would make no difference to 99% of drivers.

A fresher take on a successful theme...I’d consider one.

Edited by f1nn on Sunday 19th January 00:27

James jamie

80 posts

74 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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+1.

James jamie

80 posts

74 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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To alaborate... Down a country road pushing on... Having to put two wheels into the verge might not remove the exhaust and bumpers on this.

wab172uk

2,005 posts

227 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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Don't see why all the hate for this car.

TBH if I was looking for a Golf sizes car, I'd take a look at the T-Roc R. What's not to like? Basically a Golf, but slightly higher, allowing better access (for those of us with bad backs) and better road visibility. Not to mention better ground clearance when certain roads get flooded in the winter.

Yes, It's not off-roader like a RR is, but how many RR's actually go off road. And yes, it won't handle as well as a Golf R will. But how many Golf R's to you see getting driven at the limit?

For those who like it, they'll buy it. For those who don't, don't be angry. Just go buy the Golf. Both happy customers.

nickfrog

21,095 posts

217 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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NDNDNDND said:
I have to admit, I don't get this idea that its impossible to have fun driving on the roads. I live in the SE, and there are fantastic roads here, if you know where to look. That said, I do try to drive everywhere in an MX-5. I mean, I don't want to be one of those people who check out posters' profiles but Nick, you appear to drive a Peugeot 3008. I mean, it's little wonder you hate road driving... I can see it's not your only car, but still.
Yes perhaps I am not looking hard enough but the reality is that I do track days and by sheer contrast, the open road is soporific IME, hence the 3008 which is not the cause but the consequence. It is actually the perfect road car for family and bike transport but yes a MX5 would be more fun but probably not as practical.

Lt. Coulomb

202 posts

54 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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It’s a tall Golf. They should have named it T-Golf R.

the_hood

771 posts

194 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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Sheepshanks said:
Downward said:
Cupra Aceta is cheaper, more equipment, looks better and is the same underpinnings.
The sizing of VAG’s SUVs overlaps a bit but Ateca is Tiguan sized. SEAT’s T-Roc equivalent is Arona.
Looks are subjective, but the Cupra is definitely better value.

NDNDNDND

2,017 posts

183 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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nickfrog said:
NDNDNDND said:
I have to admit, I don't get this idea that its impossible to have fun driving on the roads. I live in the SE, and there are fantastic roads here, if you know where to look. That said, I do try to drive everywhere in an MX-5. I mean, I don't want to be one of those people who check out posters' profiles but Nick, you appear to drive a Peugeot 3008. I mean, it's little wonder you hate road driving... I can see it's not your only car, but still.
Yes perhaps I am not looking hard enough but the reality is that I do track days and by sheer contrast, the open road is soporific IME, hence the 3008 which is not the cause but the consequence. It is actually the perfect road car for family and bike transport but yes a MX5 would be more fun but probably not as practical.
I do trackdays too. Yes, nothing on the road is going to compare to coming out of Redgate and daring yourself to keep the throttle pinned through the Craner Curves, but you can still enjoy driving on the road. You find road driving soporific because you drive a soporific car. And yes, some Peugeot crossover is going to be more practical than an MX-5, but there are plenty of other compromises between those two extremes which will be practical enough and yet not turn road driving into a chore.

I had a Renault Kadjur as an insurance hire car last year, and it was like driving around on Valium. Another point in the year I had an Astra estate as a hire car. It was no trailblazer, but it was a lot more engaging than the Renault, simply through being more wieldy - and it was no less practical and much easier to see out of and park.

Try harder, rather than giving up and buying some bland crossover and then complaining that it's boring.

Sheepshanks

32,725 posts

119 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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the_hood said:
Sheepshanks said:
Downward said:
Cupra Aceta is cheaper, more equipment, looks better and is the same underpinnings.
The sizing of VAG’s SUVs overlaps a bit but Ateca is Tiguan sized. SEAT’s T-Roc equivalent is Arona.
Looks are subjective, but the Cupra is definitely better value.
Well, the Ateca on our family fleet was - it cost less than £20K.

nickfrog

21,095 posts

217 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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NDNDNDND said:
nickfrog said:
NDNDNDND said:
I have to admit, I don't get this idea that its impossible to have fun driving on the roads. I live in the SE, and there are fantastic roads here, if you know where to look. That said, I do try to drive everywhere in an MX-5. I mean, I don't want to be one of those people who check out posters' profiles but Nick, you appear to drive a Peugeot 3008. I mean, it's little wonder you hate road driving... I can see it's not your only car, but still.
Yes perhaps I am not looking hard enough but the reality is that I do track days and by sheer contrast, the open road is soporific IME, hence the 3008 which is not the cause but the consequence. It is actually the perfect road car for family and bike transport but yes a MX5 would be more fun but probably not as practical.
but you can still enjoy driving on the road. You find road driving soporific because you drive a soporific car.

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Try harder, rather than giving up and buying some bland crossover and then complaining that it's boring.
What are you talking about ? As I said, I chose a SUV as a consequence of road driving being boring to me and for its ideal suitability for bike and family transport and it's not the cause at all.

I also have the Megane Cup on AD08Rs and the driving on the road is as soporific, not because of the car but because of the traffic, pot holes and speed enforcement.

I am not complaining about anything and certainly not about the car, nor giving up on anything, I am stating my experience of road driving being boring compared to driving as a sport, ie on track. If anything, road driving makes me do even more track driving, so it's the opposite of giving up. Remember I am reacting to the guy saying that SUVs are for non-drivers.

Edited by nickfrog on Monday 20th January 02:48