Alfa Romeo 147 GTA | The Brave Pill

Alfa Romeo 147 GTA | The Brave Pill

Saturday 18th January 2020

Alfa Romeo 147 GTA | The Brave Pill

Alfa's hot hatch won more jeers than cheers when new, but it's aging impressively well



Brace yourself, because Brave Pill is going to start this week with a scandalous use of what is almost certainly the most controversial "c" word of them all. That's right: classic. Beyond the sort of hardened Alfisti who bleed ragu few would argue that the 147 GTA has acquired right to use the term. But look to the not-too-distant future and this charismatic oddball looks to have nailed-on collectable status.

It's hard not to love the combination of a small car with a big engine, and the GTA was a hot hatch with a heart designed to power a much bigger car. The standard 147 came from one of the several eras when Alfa was being forced to make modest development spend go a very long way, and sits on what is effectively a cut-down version of the 156 saloon platform. The GTA follows similar logic, cramming the snarling 3.2-litre V6 from the range-topping 156 into the far dinkier 147.

Offering a naturally aspirated V6 in a hatchback wasn't unique; this was the era of peak cylinder count and early 'noughties buyers could choose several others, including the mk4 Golf R32 and the closely related - and now largely forgotten - Audi A3 V6. But neither of the Germans sounded anything like as good as the 147 GTA, and also came with the sensible, Germanic fitment of all-wheel drive. The Alfa didn't, rather sending all 247hp and 221 lb ft through the front wheels - and without a limited-slip differential as standard. Something that, on low grip surfaces, was often handled with the poise and discipline of an Italian military retreat.


Focus was lacking, a point made most forcefully by the similar-vintage mk1 Focus RS and its far better controlled front-drive chassis . Yet although the 147 GT often felt wayward, and sometimes downright disobedient, it also had huge character. This was one of the final applications for the long-running 'Busso' V6, the 60-degree engine - informally named after engineer Giuseppe Busso - had been launched as long ago as 1979, and its various incarnations remain, even now, pretty much the only acceptable answers to the challenge "name a nice-sounding V6." The GTA's 24-valve 3.2-litre was one of the best, muscular low down and with an operatic zing when extended. Popping the bonnet also revealed six gleaming induction pipes and the legend "GTA 3.2" on the proper metal plenum chamber. It was one of those cars you could buy for the engine alone.

Chassis composure wasn't great under hard use - I remember the GTA having a particular talent for turning passengers green over rough roads - and faster progress through twisties soon turned into an exercise in managing understeer. But at a more respectful pace, the GTA was actually pretty good, with a more relaxed ride than the segment norm, on smoother roads at least, and steering that never stopped chatting even when there wasn't much to say. It was one of those cars that wouldn't win on straight A-to-B pace compared to obvious rivals, but which would produce bigger grins when drivers compared notes later.


Not that the Great British car-buying public felt much love for the GTA when it was new. Only around 350 were sold here in the two years it was on sale, actually fewer than the more expensive 156 GTA managed between its saloon and Sportwagon estates, and a total that makes the hot 147 considerably rarer than practically anything else in its segment; indeed there are fewer out there than there are of the two generations of Clio V6. Prices slid to little more than banger money in the early teens, but the GTA has enjoyed a renaissance in recent years and these days the best and most cherished cars are wearing five-figure price tags.

You'll notice our Pill isn't. At £6,000 it is the cheapest of the three currently to be found in the classifieds, four grand below the car in second place. That reflects both a 129,000 mileage, but also a less-than-perfect status that the private seller is honest enough to detail in the advert. Some will regard the fact this car has already had a full engine rebuild at 98,000 miles as evidence of a life lived hard, it could equally fairly be seen as proof it has been given what it needs, when it needs it.


Obscured plates deny us a look at the MOT history, though the vendor details all major servicing and a list of what has been replaced since 2016: that including the radiator, timing belt, water pump and a driveshaft. It had new front discs and pads in March last year, and two new Goodyear Eagles in July. Some sympathetic mods include an earlier switch to bigger front discs, Eibach coil-overs, a raspier sports exhaust, a front strut brace and the Q2 limited-slip differential which dramatically improves front-end poise. In short, a sizeable, ongoing and reassuring level of spend.

The downsides include some electrical gremlins, a temporarily repaired gear selector that will need replacing and that old favourite: non-functioning aircon. (Credit to the vendor for not saying "probably just needs a re-gas.") Like most Alfas of the period, the 147 GTA is maintenance intensive and tends to punish neglect quickly. But despite the acknowledged risk of pricey borkage many owners seem able to keep GTAs in fettle for relatively modest cost, something helped by a good ecosystem of specialists. 147 GTA buyers also tend to hold on to their cars for a long time, our seller has had this one for 11 years, which is also a good indication of the car's greater than the sum of its parts appeal.

By Brave Pill standards a six-grand front driven hatchback might seem like ordering an omelette at an Indian restaurant; last week's Phall grade 911 Turbo having been regarded as a bit cautious and sensible by a fair percentage of those writing comments. But we like to provide for all tastes, and while the cost might be relatively modest the emotional journey that comes with owning any middle-aged Alfa is likely to be intense. The GTA is one of those cars that didn't win many tests or plaudits when new, but which is starting to look like a compelling alternative as time goes on.


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Discussion

cheekyron

Original Poster:

54 posts

205 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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Such handsome cars especially in GTA guise that I think have aged really well. Remember when a friend who got a brand new 156 GTA and the sweet sweet noise it made..

Esceptico

7,467 posts

109 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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Not sure why this is a brave pill. At £6k if it went tits up the maximum you could be out is £6k less whatever you could get by stripping it. Not like many of the other brave pills with possibly five figure repair costs and five figure depreciation too.

That is actually tempting. Wouldn’t have bought one new but at £6k a handsome and quirky choice with a great engine.

Faffmeister

23 posts

105 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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Many years ago I looked seriously at buying one. Despite its obvious foibles I loved everything about it, looks, noise, interior, drive.......the lot


But the dealer......................

Roy m

198 posts

213 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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+1 - no bravery needed for this!

AmosMoses

4,042 posts

165 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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Looks like a decent driver quality car, if it’s been looked after and the mileage is high that means guilt free thrashing!

Addymk2

334 posts

172 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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The gear linkage is a common problem, I once had to finish the final 30 miles of a 200 mile journey in 2nd... Thankfully it was late at night so traffic was minimal, but it's a relatively easy fix from a breakers.

He mentions the AC doesn't work, hopefully the heading does as ripping the dash out to swap out the matrix is a pain in the ass.

Drivers heated seat is a relatively easy fix.

The state of the wheels would push me to get the alignment checked instantly. That guys got an unhealthy appetite for munching kerbs.

I really like these.

crofty1984

15,858 posts

204 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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I had a 1.6 twin spark a few years ago. That was a great little car. I'd love a V6.

Rozzers

1,726 posts

75 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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Pretty much every issue is known on these and can be checked off or budgeted for (perhaps not the ECU...) so they aren't a massive gamble and being so rare you could break for spares and get your money back.

This looks like a good one, the owner seems to know his way round it and has a good history from workshops that really know the marque.

This is worth a punt at this money.



Edited by Rozzers on Saturday 18th January 08:50

Spiderrich

26 posts

87 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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I think this is a bargain. It’s been well maintained and the mileage isn’t a problem for these fabulous engines as long as they’re looked after (I have a 916 V6 Busso Spider that’s done 94k). So much more character than any German rival can muster and the sound -especially with the Ragazzon- will be incredible. If it wasn’t black I’d be seriously interested!

Baldchap

7,634 posts

92 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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I wanted one of these for a pubcar but they're silly money.

bilo999

121 posts

99 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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Interesting views - I think it is worthy of the brave pill - as you would not need much to go wrong to quickly spend that £6k again - assuming you can find the part. The most worrying item is an ECU. If that needs replacing, you really just have to sit and wait to see one appear for sale. There is an aftermarket solution, but if you want to stay original and yours can’t be repaired - then at least a £2k bill awaits - once one is found.

As a 156 GTA SW owner - I love mine, but these days just gets used mainly to go to MoT and service station - totally cherish it and can’t part with it. It’s part of the family, like my third child.

Maybe that’s another reason these are a brave pill - they get under your skin and you become addicted and can’t give a GTA up once you have one !

Everything sensible says I need to let mine go - but I’m hooked and have been since I got my first in 2003 and then got the one I have in 2006 - last year it covered 81 miles !

Once you have owned one they get you hooked - but anything it needs, must be sorted, a cheap GTA is never cheap !

SimianWonder

1,144 posts

152 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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I bought a 147 GTA nearly seven years ago and it still puts a ridiculous grin on my face every time I drive it. May will no longer be running standard suspension, and will have had a Q2 or Quaiffe differential fitted as well, which makes them handle much more sweetly. They're utterly wonderful things.

DeltaEvo2

869 posts

192 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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"with the poise and discipline of an Italian military retreat."

Shameful.

rxe

6,700 posts

103 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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No real bravery required.

Most of the routine mechanical bits are as cheap as chips - e.g. pretty much everything consumable on the engine is the same as the 2.5 and not expensive. If the engine idles smoothly, then it is fine. Lumpy idle = air leak (duct tape required), cam mistiming (cheap to fix) or compression (expensive).

Engine ECUs are a potential issue - failure prone as they get baked and like hens teeth now (with prices to match).

Suspension is mostly standard 156.

Bodywork more problematic - rare bits (wings, arch liners), make sure the floorpans are good.

Tyres are cheap.

Very few people outside Alfa specialists can actually set these engines up properly. Pretty much every Alfa V6 I’ve worked on has had bad idle from mistimed cams. A degree out on the cams (any one of them) makes it idle like a cement mixer. Easy fix, and you don’t need to replace the cambelt to sort it. On cambelts - every 4 years, not 5. The inlet cams are lumpy...


TheOrangePeril

778 posts

180 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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As they said in the article, they want Pill to cater for all. £6k is not chump change if you only ever buy at Shed money.

Not everyone has the wealth/income to even contemplate a five figure car. This is a (hugely desirable) brave pill for many.

s m

23,223 posts

203 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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Addymk2 said:
The gear linkage is a common problem, I once had to finish the final 30 miles of a 200 mile journey in 2nd...

The state of the wheels would push me to get the alignment checked instantly. That guys got an unhealthy appetite for munching kerbs.

I really like these.
Hmm, does seem to have been a bit fond of contact parking ...unless it’s just baked on brake dust
Can’t tell from phone pics

Prohibiting

1,740 posts

118 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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I had one of these in the beautiful red colour. But unfortunately it threw me a £5k repair bill when the engine went. Very unlucky indeed. It tainted my experience and I sold it shortly after at a big loss.

V6todayEVmanana

765 posts

144 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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Prohibiting said:
I had one of these in the beautiful red colour. But unfortunately it threw me a £5k repair bill when the engine went. Very unlucky indeed. It tainted my experience and I sold it shortly after at a big loss.
What went wrong to cause such a big bill?
Cambelt / Water pump fail?

I

Olivera

7,140 posts

239 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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Cool looking cars, but I've seen better maintained alloys with less kerbing on £50 sheds.

alfabeat

1,114 posts

112 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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As stated above, there is very little on these cars to be worried about. The main thing is the engine ECU. Everything else is fixable for not a huge amount of money. And the smiles/experience they deliver is second to none.

If you haven't driven a sorted one, do so. Great cars (156 aswell of course)