RE: Suzuki forced to cut UK Jimny allocation

[Hifly130]

Looks like this is the beginning of the end for the petrol/diesel engine. 😔

[DonkeyApple]

Hifly130 said:

Looks like this is the beginning of the end for the petrol/diesel engine. ??

They will be around for decades to come yet as batteries in their current state are far too inefficient to be a practical solution to global transport

In the developed world, manufacturers just won’t be able to fit inefficient engines to their products and many will need to blend electric power with petrol to achieve suitable results.

The Jimny just hasn’t been designed overtly for these developed markets and it may transpire that it is not commercially viable to do so.

[sjg]

CoolHands said:

So every one of BMW’s cars are above 100 grams of co2 at the moment so how on earth are they going to average below 95?

So yeah bit st that you can’t buy this but you can buy suv behemoths or bmw m5s with 250 co2 etc

Enough PHEV and BEV sales to offset some and what’s left is expensive enough to build the cost of the fine into the price. It’s also scaled on weight (for now anyway) so if you make larger/heavier vehicles you get a bigger allowance.

Small, light, cheap cars doing 170g/km are not going to be a viable thing to sell for much longer.

[zax]

wisbech said:

Don Roque said:

What a shame, a handy little 4x4 for people that might have actually used it for more than just double parking and cracking pavements outside schools. It's an important car for Suzuki too, being effectively their signature model.

Apparently they may turn it commercial and can then sell to hill farmers etc who need it

The local dear here (Finland) told me this today while we were checking out a nice jungle green example. They won't import any more with four seats so it can't be bought new any more (apart from the single example they have sitting at the docks or their ex demonstrators), but they plan to begin importing them with no rear seats which then apparently puts them in the "commercial vehicle" class.

If that happens I'm wondering if the rear seats could be refitted after buying... hopefully they don't get rid of the rear windows!

[warch]

Are commercial vehicle sales exempt from carbon emissions targets then? I doubt Scania meets the target.

[glazbagun]

zax said:

wisbech said:

Don Roque said:

What a shame, a handy little 4x4 for people that might have actually used it for more than just double parking and cracking pavements outside schools. It's an important car for Suzuki too, being effectively their signature model.

Apparently they may turn it commercial and can then sell to hill farmers etc who need it

The local dear here (Finland) told me this today while we were checking out a nice jungle green example. They won't import any more with four seats so it can't be bought new any more (apart from the single example they have sitting at the docks or their ex demonstrators), but they plan to begin importing them with no rear seats which then apparently puts them in the "commercial vehicle" class.

If that happens I'm wondering if the rear seats could be refitted after buying... hopefully they don't get rid of the rear windows!

The opposite sometimes happens in the USA where they put tarrifs on imported commercial vehicles- they sent over Ford Transit Connects with rear seats and then stripped them out as soon as they'd passed customs.

[Billy_Whizzzz]

p4cks said:

fk the EU

Bless. The sheer, pathetic ignorance of the PH massive really knows no bounds.

[MrGTI6]

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[DonkeyApple]

Billy_Whizzzz said:

p4cks said:

fk the EU

Bless. The sheer, pathetic ignorance of the PH massive really knows no bounds.

Wait until people realise that for 20 years the EU has been a force of collective common sense that has prevented the inbred lunatics and fanatics within Westminster from fking us all into oblivion with insane policies that screw us all.

The reality is that we have probably just kicked out the insane asylum guards and released the mental into us all.

[Ed.]

anonymous said:

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Do you think the Jimny is any worse than the 2.5 tonne SUVs and never plugged in hybrids the rules were written to favour?

[FA57REN]

Ed. said:

Do you think the Jimny is any worse than the 2.5 tonne SUVs and never plugged in hybrids the rules were written to favour?

Umm yes?

New Jimny has similar emissions to a 235hp Volvo XC90 R-Design 2.0 Geartronic. 150 Vs 154. Oops.

Initially I thought this was Suzuki just being lazy. Then I read about them aiming for the commercial market as a 'workaround'. Marketing genius, build mainstream hype and move the Jimny across to that market and raise the price. Enthusiasts who still want one for non-commercial use won't mind paying half the price of a New Defender because that's 'still a bargain'. £££.

Edited by FA57REN on Saturday 25th January 19:54

[anonymous-user]

scottygib553 said:

Damn those EU meddlers for preventing me from buying a car I was unlikely to buy in the first place.

I've never needed or wanted a Jimny, but somehow I feel incredibly angry about this..it is 2020 these days.

If this happened 20 years ago, I wouldnt be angry. Funny world.

[warch]

I'll say it again, who's going to buy one for commercial use? The market for a teeny tiny truck with a small engine unsuited to towing isn't going to be that big.

Incidentally who cares what colour it comes in?

[Chris944_S2]

It’s funny to see this solely pinned on the back of the EU, without realizing that it’s our own making. The UK has one of the strongest green lobbies at Brussels, and we’ve been making big inputs to EU environmental regulations.
Asside from a few Scandinavian countries, we’ve set ourselves the most ambitious carbon neutral targets of all member states
I expect that one we leave we will eventually move away from EU regulations but our environmental protection rules will likely be even stricter. We chose to be carbon neutral by 2030, can’t blame this one on the Belgian capital.

[warch]

Chris944_S2 said:

It’s funny to see this solely pinned on the back of the EU, without realizing that it’s our own making. The UK has one of the strongest green lobbies at Brussels, and we’ve been making big inputs to EU environmental regulations.
Asside from a few Scandinavian countries, we’ve set ourselves the most ambitious carbon neutral targets of all member states
I expect that one we leave we will eventually move away from EU regulations but our environmental protection rules will likely be even stricter. We chose to be carbon neutral by 2030, can’t blame this one on the Belgian capital.

Indeed. To be honest I don't think our standards for emissions will deviate from EU standards. They certainly won't fall below them.

[DonkeyApple]

Oppo said:

scottygib553 said:

Damn those EU meddlers for preventing me from buying a car I was unlikely to buy in the first place.

I've never needed or wanted a Jimny, but somehow I feel incredibly angry about this..it is 2020 these days.

If this happened 20 years ago, I wouldnt be angry. Funny world.

Yup. It’s pretty poor that companies display such incompetence. It is just a very basic expectation that a modern company ensures that their new product is appropriate for the market they plan to sell it to.

Of course, it’s more likely that a company like Suzuki knew all along that they would only be able to sell a few in Europe before the impending cut off and there are commercial benefits to selling a handful before that date.

Either way it’s still an annoying example of modern corporates taking the piss out of their current and potential customers and it’s pretty boring these days given how rife it is.

[AmitG]

Toltec said:

CoolHands said:

But they will have to sell st-loads to get the AVERAGE below 95. Never going to happen

Easy, if you want a higher output car you have to buy a zero emissions car too. The manufacturers just have to come up with something that qualifies as a car even if it only has a ten mile battery range. Once purchased you immediately scrap it and it is returned to the factory for 100% recycling.

Actually this seems like a pretty cool idea.

Want to buy a CO2 heavy car? No problem, as long as you also buy this BEV for 1 pound. And the manufacturer agrees to buy it back at any time, even the day after you bought it.

The factory wouldn't even need to recycle the BEV. They could just give it a new VIN and ship it out to the next customer

Just thinking out loud - putting aside the merits of the idea, is there any legal reason why this would not work?

Obviously in practice there could be negative publicity since it's a blatant CO2 dodge.

[Olas]

The less Jimnys the better.

If you want to go off-road you want a defender. If you want to drive on tarmac you DONT need a 4x4

[DonkeyApple]

warch said:

Chris944_S2 said:

It’s funny to see this solely pinned on the back of the EU, without realizing that it’s our own making. The UK has one of the strongest green lobbies at Brussels, and we’ve been making big inputs to EU environmental regulations.
Asside from a few Scandinavian countries, we’ve set ourselves the most ambitious carbon neutral targets of all member states
I expect that one we leave we will eventually move away from EU regulations but our environmental protection rules will likely be even stricter. We chose to be carbon neutral by 2030, can’t blame this one on the Belgian capital.

Indeed. To be honest I don't think our standards for emissions will deviate from EU standards. They certainly won't fall below them.

The dice favour Westminster continuing to try and out do the European mainland on attacking cars. The best we can hope for is continued alignment but seeing as Westminster is now going to fill further with those who want to feel superior to their EU competition that seems unlikely!!

[ChocolateFrog]

Olas said:

The less Jimnys the better.

If you want to go off-road you want a defender. If you want to drive on tarmac you DONT need a 4x4

Luckily in this country we don't vote for socialist uptopia's.

People can buy what they want and drive it how they want. Ferrari F50's weren't made for offroading either but that doesn't stop TaxTheRich.