RE: Suzuki forced to cut UK Jimny allocation

[sjg]

Wammer said:

Why can't they just put a different engine in it?

It gets a 660cc turbo engine in Japan because it's sold as a kei car. Probably not a great CO2 figure on that one either.

Articles elsewhere have said Suzuki are planning to bring it back as a commercial without the (useless) rear seats. Commercials don't count towards fleet average.

[Bagzie88]

budgie smuggler said:

Strange they didn't put their 1.2 dualjet engine in. Guess it doesn't fit with all the extra turbo gubbins?

Presumably you mean the 110hp 1.0 boosterjet? The 1.2 Dualjet is a quite old design and has even less power and torque than the 1.5 engine in this.

I read somewhere that the non linear power delivery of the boosterjet makes it bad for offroading in.

[2xChevrons]

lee_erm said:

Notanotherturbo said:

Am I missing something? We won't be in the EU in 2021 so do they need to meet that emissions target to sell here?

Because we will still be aligned almost completely with EU rules

And, as per the thread on this issue running almost concurrently with this one, while the UK will still be aligned with the EU's rules on average CO2 emissions, because it will not be an EU member in the future, the manufacturer's average is now just for their models they sell in the UK, not across the whole EU as they are at the moment.

So if Suzuki sells loads of low-emissions little hatchbacks across the EU, that brings the corporate emissions average down so more Jimnys can be sold without breaking the limit. If (as seems to be the case) the UK proportionally buys fewer of Suzuki's products with lower emissions, then it can't sell many 'high-emission' Jimnys without breaking the limit, so it has to cap sales.

[Bagzie88]

Cold said:

It's no help that its big sister, the Vitara, has been using "prohibited emissions strategies" on its diesels to cheat the EU emissions regulations and is being brought to task. Similar in concept to the VW dieselgate but without the outraged hoo-hah.

I would wonder who's to blame for that though , The engine is not a Suzuki engine and Suzuki don't have a diesal engine in there entire lineup anymore.

[Bagzie88]

The problem I see for Suzuki is they build cheap cars and trying to get a useful amount of power from a low co2 car is possible but expensive.

[bungz]

uncleluck said:

When will the world realise the real issue is we need to slow down the population growth rather than worrying about car emissions.

Elephant in the room that nobody seems to want to mention.

[4jimbo4]

but if these are EU laws why do we care? we are leaving after all

[Spanna]

DaveTheRave87 said:

Those pesky EU regulations.

We should leave and set up our own regulations, so we should.

UK has already signed up to this as part of being Carbon Neutral by 2050.

[Bagzie88]

ash73 said:

They don't even offer decent colours here, no dark green... just white, silver and black. Why would anyone buy a 4x4 in white?

Needs a decent engine and 6 speed box too.

It's not gonna happen , I'm a little confused why they didn't use the M16A though since it seems vastly better than the 1.5 they have.

Substantially more horsepower and it would make a 6th speed gearbox viable.

[Chris32345]

And all electric would be far better for off roading then a combustion engine
Lower centre of gravity and more torque no gearbox or low range box needed
Shame makes it st on the road for distance

[Bagzie88]

Chris32345 said:

And all electric would be far better for off roading then a combustion engine
Lower centre of gravity and more torque no gearbox or low range box needed
Shame makes it st on the road for distance

Who's gonna buy a Jimny when it's £30,000+ though.

Isn't the whole appeal of these cars that it's a very capable offroader for not a lot of money?

[RicksAlfas]

It's a great shame. I think Suzuki can sell all they can make to Japan, India and Russia so it probably isn't worth sorting it out for the European market. But a Dualjet or Boosterjet version would be good to see.

[frisbee]

DDg said:

p4cks said:

fk the EU

Next week we'll ll have control of our own destiny! And proper bananas!

Next week we won't be able to offset our emissions with other parts of the EU.

[can't remember]

lee_erm said:

Notanotherturbo said:

Am I missing something? We won't be in the EU in 2021 so do they need to meet that emissions target to sell here?

Because we will still be aligned almost completely with EU rules

Just to make your day, now we are leaving the car manufacturers can't spread out the emissions of the big engined cars we buy across the small engined cars some EU countries favour. We have to stand on our own two feet from now on.

[budgie smuggler]

Bagzie88 said:

Presumably you mean the 110hp 1.0 boosterjet? The 1.2 Dualjet is a quite old design and has even less power and torque than the 1.5 engine in this.

I read somewhere that the non linear power delivery of the boosterjet makes it bad for offroading in.

You're right, I did mean the boosterjet. I couldn't remember the name and looked it up on their site. Turns out the non-sport Swift still uses the older engine.

I guess your answer makes sense, still surprised they couldn't tune it to be suitable. I guess for the volume sold it's not worth it, given it would have to be turned 90 degrees for the Jimny.

[2xChevrons]

bungz said:

uncleluck said:

When will the world realise the real issue is we need to slow down the population growth rather than worrying about car emissions.

Elephant in the room that nobody seems to want to mention.

Maybe because population growth is already slowing down massively? Growth rate peaked in the 1970s, is currently at the same level as it was in the 1930s and is expected to reach the pre-industrial long-term norm by 2050, with global population growth coming to a stop by 2100.

[DonkeyApple]

2xChevrons said:

bungz said:

uncleluck said:

When will the world realise the real issue is we need to slow down the population growth rather than worrying about car emissions.

Elephant in the room that nobody seems to want to mention.

Maybe because population growth is already slowing down massively? Growth rate peaked in the 1970s, is currently at the same level as it was in the 1930s and is expected to reach the pre-industrial long-term norm by 2050, with global population growth coming to a stop by 2100.

But until then, all the pollution is the fault of the 7bn poor people around the world toiling in labour camps to build all the st that everyone here demands yet don’t need.

It’s probably easier to stick with blaming the EU for Suzuki’s choice to not build a car to meet the regs!

[jamoor]

Looking at the prices of these cars on autotrader, isn't there a market for parallel imports from Japan?

[timmymagic73]

jamoor said:

Looking at the prices of these cars on autotrader, isn't there a market for parallel imports from Japan?

Isn't it also the case that Suzuki are struggling to fulfil the orders for Japan too? So no surplus to be exported privately anyway.

Damn you Suzuki and other assorted bureaucracy - I desperately wanted a new Jimny in jungle green, especially at the original proposed on the road price. Oh, no green in the UK. And ridiculously over-inflated ex-demo/used example prices at the moment.

I'm out until this whole debacle settles down. Which is a shame.

Also if anyone is taking notes, an electric Jimny with approx 100 miles range would suit me perfectly....

[ajap1979]

ash73 said:

They don't even offer decent colours here, no dark green... just white, silver and black. Why would anyone buy a 4x4 in white?

Needs a decent engine and 6 speed box too.

The colour choice is pretty restricted for the SZ4, but the SZ5 has a few nice options.