RE: Honda e | Driven

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sjg

7,444 posts

264 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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These look ace. We have an eGolf that does similar range, it's not really a problem, even less so in 2-car households that have something else for the non-stop Brighton to Inverness journeys that everyone in EV threads claim they have to do.

Everyone wants massive batteries for range, but they add cost, add weight, and take up space. More like this please. A Jazz-based EV on this powertrain, no fancy "premium" materials, sell it for similar money to the EV Up/Mii/Citigo and it would do brilliantly.

Edited by sjg on Monday 27th January 09:38

kambites

67,460 posts

220 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Far, far too expensive for such a small car with such a limited range, IMO.

indapendentlee

401 posts

98 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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I love everything about it and I want one BUT 10 grand down and £300 a month is absolutely bonkers for a city car, especially given the people they're aiming this at probably don't have a drive so will be paying on-street prices to charge.

Needs to be sub-25k to truly compete I think.

Sandpit Steve

9,885 posts

73 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Unless they can find a way to lease this for £100 a month to those who live in the suburbs and work in the city (and can keep ‘something for the weekend’ parked in the garage), this is going to be a very niche car indeed.

DonkeyApple

54,914 posts

168 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Edmundo2 said:
austinsmirk said:
I love EV's. My wife has one. they are the future, blah, blah.

but still an awful lot of money, to purely save money.

you can get a 30kwh leaf, top spec for £10-£12k now, second hand. my advice is sit tight a bit until the market is a bit more flooded- there will be a lot of old tech out there soon, that starts becoming affordable.

£32 k makes no sense to save £1000 a year in fuel.
Isn't it about saving the planet, ( rather than purely money )?

I know it's all nonsense whilst we still need to make the electricity, and that such cars are like anvil meaning they need extra power to haul along their fat arses etc but I thought the sales pitch was cleaner living. If it's saving money then buy an old jazz..
It’s not really got much to do with saving the planet but about even more human consumption that is causing the problem. Such is the dichotomy of the supposed EV ‘green’ revolution. It’s even had to be rebranded to be about direct, local pollution.

The uncomfortable reality is that if someone is armed with £33k and actually cared about the planet they wouldn’t be spunking the cashbon a wasteful, disposable, imported consumer gadget but arguably buying the older Jazz to meet their basic transport needs and investing the remainder in combating the excessive human consumption these products represent.

Add to that this is meant to be an urban city car for people who reside in an urban environment and the veneer of environmentalism is even thinner and more farcical as private vehicles are much more a consumer luxury for those able to adapt to barely needing a car.

It’s all a bit of a joke like the climate change protesters who danced around London in their highly fashionable and imported clothes and stripped ITSU’s shelves of plastic packed sushi and drank Starbucks dry while decrying the excessive Western consumer lifestyle that is stripping the planet of its resources and churning out tonnes of excess pollution.

This is a funky looking car and looks like a fun urban wagon for the affluent excess consumer but it’s just another consumer good adding to the great pile of debt fuelled human waste. biggrin

mynameistim

39 posts

156 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Is this a left-handed advert for the Kia eNiro?

ate one too

2,902 posts

145 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Agreed DA - it's a £33K iPhone.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Well I'll throw my hat into the love it camp. Though I'm a bit of a Honda fan.

I think it's a really desirable design and people will pay for that even if the specs of the machine don't seem very good value to some. It's like the old MacBook vs. Windows laptop debate.

lenny007

1,338 posts

220 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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defblade said:
Given that water and electricity famously don't mix well, I'm bemused by the design/location of the charging port...
They've literally got an opening on the front grille below the Honda logo which could've been adapted to house the charging port.

The biggest problem is have with the production design isn't necessarily the transition to 5 doors (although it does remind me in some ways of the previous gen Skoda Fabia in side profile) - it's the droop to the bonnet's front edge.

The concept's bonnet was an almost flat shape and looked fabulously retro and crisp and the charge port black panel looked like a 70's bonnet bulge for a huge engine. The production one looks clumsy and like it's melting off the bonnet.

It's just clumsy detailing.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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lenny007 said:
They've literally got an opening on the front grille below the Honda logo which could've been adapted to house the charging port.
That would be quite low and much more difficult to use. Then people on PH would also complain about that. I'm sure they've worked out how to engineer it not to flood, and it's ideally located for usability on a low car.

sxmwht

1,547 posts

58 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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defblade said:
Given that water and electricity famously don't mix well, I'm bemused by the design/location of the charging port...
Water and electricity in fact mix VERY well

sxmwht

1,547 posts

58 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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I really like it. Shades of a VW Golf GTI MkII in those headlights

DonkeyApple

54,914 posts

168 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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ate one too said:
Agreed DA - it's a £33K iPhone.
Yup. Buy one because you want one but don’t confuse affluent Western consumption with saving the planet when it’s just marketing spin to keep flogging goods.

If you were genuinely asked to deliver an environmentally friendly car it would never be a 1.5 ton, £33k toy. And if you were environmentally minded you would never go and buy a 1.5 ton of imported materials and throw £33k at the pleasure.

You can’t shop your way out of a problem caused by too much shopping. Just consume less. BLT. Buy Less Tat. smile

sjg

7,444 posts

264 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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mstrbkr said:
lenny007 said:
They've literally got an opening on the front grille below the Honda logo which could've been adapted to house the charging port.
That would be quite low and much more difficult to use. Then people on PH would also complain about that. I'm sure they've worked out how to engineer it not to flood, and it's ideally located for usability on a low car.
Putting it down there would be like the MG ZS, which no-one seems to like because you can't see the port without bending down. Where the Honda has it is a more usable design, even if it does result in an odd-looking thing on the bonnet.

Demonix

479 posts

211 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Cute but completely impractical for those of us who live out in the sticks! Now if only Honda chucked the Civic Type R's ice into the Sports SEV and ditched the electric power train and sold it as a replacement for the S2000 - that I would buy !

longblackcoat

5,047 posts

182 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Edmundo2 said:
austinsmirk said:
I love EV's. My wife has one. they are the future, blah, blah.

but still an awful lot of money, to purely save money.

you can get a 30kwh leaf, top spec for £10-£12k now, second hand. my advice is sit tight a bit until the market is a bit more flooded- there will be a lot of old tech out there soon, that starts becoming affordable.

£32 k makes no sense to save £1000 a year in fuel.
Isn't it about saving the planet, ( rather than purely money )?

I know it's all nonsense whilst we still need to make the electricity, and that such cars are like anvil meaning they need extra power to haul along their fat arses etc but I thought the sales pitch was cleaner living. If it's saving money then buy an old jazz..
But if you can save fuel of £1000/year and do it cleanly by buying a lightly used Leaf for just a bit over 1/3 of the price, why by the Honda?

rossub

4,400 posts

189 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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So it's pretty much the same price as a Civic Type R.... WTF?

kambites

67,460 posts

220 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Demonix said:
Cute but completely impractical for those of us who live out in the sticks!
It's a city car, it's not aimed at people who "live out in the sticks"! Unfortunately it's a £30k city car; the Aston Cygnet springs to mind.

Butter Face

30,191 posts

159 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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Looks great, but the Renault ZOE is a better buy for less money.

Dave Hedgehog

14,541 posts

203 months

Monday 27th January 2020
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DonkeyApple said:
It’s not really got much to do with saving the planet but about even more human consumption that is causing the problem. Such is the dichotomy of the supposed EV ‘green’ revolution. It’s even had to be rebranded to be about direct, local pollution.
This is a fallacy as people have been buying new cars frequently for a very long time, for the vast majority they are simply moving over from a fossil platform to a potentially zero emission one (with a 100% renewable tariff)

If i had not purchased an EV i would have purchased a C63s

And its a necessary process for new car buyers to switch over from fossil powered ones so that over the years a large stock pool of EVs is available in the second hand market at many price points to give access to the majority of buyers

Also production environmental impact can be greatly reduced if manufacturing is done using 100% renewable energy such as Tesla does