RE: Honda e | Driven
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Dave Hedgehog said:
DonkeyApple said:
It’s not really got much to do with saving the planet but about even more human consumption that is causing the problem. Such is the dichotomy of the supposed EV ‘green’ revolution. It’s even had to be rebranded to be about direct, local pollution.
This is a fallacy as people have been buying new cars frequently for a very long time, for the vast majority they are simply moving over from a fossil platform to a potentially zero emission one (with a 100% renewable tariff)If i had not purchased an EV i would have purchased a C63s
And its a necessary process for new car buyers to switch over from fossil powered ones so that over the years a large stock pool of EVs is available in the second hand market at many price points to give access to the majority of buyers
Also production environmental impact can be greatly reduced if manufacturing is done using 100% renewable energy such as Tesla does
Take a step back and just at the lunch of these excuses for excess consumption and how they are continuing to fuel the issue that we face.
These are very wasteful products that we continue to consume as rapidly as possible.
Just enjoy the decadent toys of the affluent West but don’t insult people with a claim that you are saving the planet when the actions are just as destructive as all the other acts of excess consumption we all commit for our own personal and selfish pleasures.
£30k? Someone's having a laugh.
When will someone admit that electric cars are at their very best in towns, but town-based owners have no way of charging them? Until the 'how do I charge this at home when I live in a flat with no off-road parking?' question is answered then take-up of electric cars will be very limited.
Charging port practicalities aside, that's an ugly black splodge on the bonnet. They really should be able to do better than that, for a load of reasons.
When will someone admit that electric cars are at their very best in towns, but town-based owners have no way of charging them? Until the 'how do I charge this at home when I live in a flat with no off-road parking?' question is answered then take-up of electric cars will be very limited.
Charging port practicalities aside, that's an ugly black splodge on the bonnet. They really should be able to do better than that, for a load of reasons.
I'm really interested in electric cars ( waiting for an aerial Atom type car with a motor on each wheel and a 100 mile range!!!!! )
This Honda is typical of what I feel is wrong with the modern western consumer society .
The comparison to the iphone is very apt - Its the latest/neatest/funky/on trend EV out there and if I buy one everybody will be impressed and that will give me a warm fuzzy feeling inside. . . . . where do I sign ??? ( my tongue is firmly in my cheek here).
I except that the Honda e will suit some people very well , but blimey its a very small niche and cynically I feel that this is just a marketing exercise to show that they are totally on board with the whole EV thing but don't want step on the toes of their many other global production models
EV's are definitely the future but this Honda will be seen like an original iphone is today in 5 years time , old tech , ability and unfashionable . Early adopters are either very brave , sheep like or both . But it is their money.
This Honda is typical of what I feel is wrong with the modern western consumer society .
The comparison to the iphone is very apt - Its the latest/neatest/funky/on trend EV out there and if I buy one everybody will be impressed and that will give me a warm fuzzy feeling inside. . . . . where do I sign ??? ( my tongue is firmly in my cheek here).
I except that the Honda e will suit some people very well , but blimey its a very small niche and cynically I feel that this is just a marketing exercise to show that they are totally on board with the whole EV thing but don't want step on the toes of their many other global production models
EV's are definitely the future but this Honda will be seen like an original iphone is today in 5 years time , old tech , ability and unfashionable . Early adopters are either very brave , sheep like or both . But it is their money.
rossub said:
So it's pretty much the same price as a Civic Type R.... WTF?
Yup. I really like it, but it's a bit more expensive than a similarly equipped i3 with more range. A fully loaded Zoe with purchased batteries is almost €10k less. And those two are also pretty expensive compared to ICE offerings in that class. This assuming there are no discounts on the Honda. The market IMO isn't urban eco minded buyers. They can and do use public transport and car sharing. This is for the stockbroker belt crowd that a) can afford it and b) won't use public transport. We might see discounts once the initial demand is satisfied and/or Honda needs to shift more for their Co2 average.
Over a coffee I've been thinking about this car.
I live 4 miles from work and my commute involves both a school run and some new town, dual carriageway spurts between roundabouts. After a broken leg last year I can no longer ride a bike as well as I could so I need to drive. I also have to be able to pick kids up from school at short notice occasionally. I have family that lives between 75 and 250 miles away who I occasionally need to go see. I own 3 cars: 2 diesel and a petrol fun thing. I have ample off-road apace for a charging point and would have access to a free car park at work (with further charging points) as a privilege of electric car usage. In short, I am a perfect candidate for one of these.
And I'd buy one, in a flash, if it were more affordable. I own all my cars outright and earn an above average salary. But I can't afford £30,000+ in one hit and although I could easily do it, there'd be no point taking on a finance agreement for £200-£300 / month just to own one. Range wouldn't be a problem, because I'd keep one ICE car for longer journeys.
I live 4 miles from work and my commute involves both a school run and some new town, dual carriageway spurts between roundabouts. After a broken leg last year I can no longer ride a bike as well as I could so I need to drive. I also have to be able to pick kids up from school at short notice occasionally. I have family that lives between 75 and 250 miles away who I occasionally need to go see. I own 3 cars: 2 diesel and a petrol fun thing. I have ample off-road apace for a charging point and would have access to a free car park at work (with further charging points) as a privilege of electric car usage. In short, I am a perfect candidate for one of these.
And I'd buy one, in a flash, if it were more affordable. I own all my cars outright and earn an above average salary. But I can't afford £30,000+ in one hit and although I could easily do it, there'd be no point taking on a finance agreement for £200-£300 / month just to own one. Range wouldn't be a problem, because I'd keep one ICE car for longer journeys.
2Btoo said:
£30k? Someone's having a laugh.
When will someone admit that electric cars are at their very best in towns, but town-based owners have no way of charging them? Until the 'how do I charge this at home when I live in a flat with no off-road parking?' question is answered then take-up of electric cars will be very limited.
Charging port practicalities aside, that's an ugly black splodge on the bonnet. They really should be able to do better than that, for a load of reasons.
That’ll come when the price of an EV runabout reaches the point that it is very clearly cheaper than the most popular affordable ICE cars. Electricity is ubiquitous and the bulk of EV demand will be at night so we will eventually reach the point that they are the better product. However, given the clear length of time that this is going to take and if we do have a serious consumption created issue then pushing expensive and very limited EVs over more intelligent and practical solutions is an insanity. When will someone admit that electric cars are at their very best in towns, but town-based owners have no way of charging them? Until the 'how do I charge this at home when I live in a flat with no off-road parking?' question is answered then take-up of electric cars will be very limited.
Charging port practicalities aside, that's an ugly black splodge on the bonnet. They really should be able to do better than that, for a load of reasons.
Well I'm in the 'like it' camp, but only if you have short commutes I guess. Perfect for city living I would think. The government grant + the Scottish EVL would cover the entire cost of the car and the repayments work out lower than traditional finance. My friend was looking at one of these vs an i3 vs a Model 3; ended up going with a model 3 as he needed a car ASAP, but he was really taken by the looks for the E.
Dave Hedgehog said:
DonkeyApple said:
It’s not really got much to do with saving the planet but about even more human consumption that is causing the problem. Such is the dichotomy of the supposed EV ‘green’ revolution. It’s even had to be rebranded to be about direct, local pollution.
This is a fallacy as people have been buying new cars frequently for a very long time, for the vast majority they are simply moving over from a fossil platform to a potentially zero emission one (with a 100% renewable tariff)If i had not purchased an EV i would have purchased a C63s
And its a necessary process for new car buyers to switch over from fossil powered ones so that over the years a large stock pool of EVs is available in the second hand market at many price points to give access to the majority of buyers
Also production environmental impact can be greatly reduced if manufacturing is done using 100% renewable energy such as Tesla does
TX.
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