RE: All good things come to an end in 2035

RE: All good things come to an end in 2035

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mike9009

4,437 posts

193 months

Sunday 9th February
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The article is full of emotion, with tyre smoking ICE cars. Can you not have EV tyre smoking cars?

It is not comparable to the demise of horses as personal transport. All we are doing is feeding the horse pellets instead of hay.

It would have been the same reaction to diesel passenger vehicles in 1985. There would be similar faux 'up roar' if we were told they were to become so prolific by 2000 through government intervention.

This is evolution not revolution.


jamoor

10,960 posts

165 months

Sunday 9th February
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Black S2K said:
jamoor said:
smartypants said:
Electrics is what kills modern cars, and the fact with all their crumple zones and fancy lights they are more expensive to repair in minor accidents. Cars do not have random engine failures. Yes the odd oil leak or coil pack failures but minor cheap inconveniences, not failure.

Those things will not change with EVs, and are more likely to be worse.
Dpfs, turbochargers, auto transmissions, radiators, there’s a lot of ancillaries to break
As ICEs have become over-complicated, it is probably going to be a massive advantage for BEVs.

Your HMI will probably still keep falling over in both and BT will drop out, but there is essentially only one important controller in a box.
Petrol cars have always been complicated.

Black S2K

947 posts

199 months

Sunday 9th February
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jamoor said:
Petrol cars have always been complicated.
Indeed - but now they are over-complicated; that's the difference.

Even the Japanese are struggling to maintain their old reputation for bullet-proof reliability. Engines & transmissions are suffering, ignoring fripperies like CarPlay or whatever.

OK, I accept that losing the interface probably causes I-Pace owners extreme range anxiety, but that's not the main electrickery going wrong and the thing will keep going until it stops.

M4cruiser

1,885 posts

100 months

Sunday 9th February
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This article could be called "Boris Bans The Prius" because that's what he's done!
mad

Mr Tidy

10,316 posts

77 months

Monday 10th February
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M4cruiser said:
This article could be called "Boris Bans The Prius" because that's what he's done!
mad
I hope so - Prius seems to be the worst driven car on the roads!

Cr*p car driven by moron Uber tw*ts. laugh

321boost

512 posts

20 months

Monday 10th February
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RemarkLima said:
321boost said:
So you’ve just basically proved my point regarding car taxation. Also why do you think just because you have EV you’ll be able to drive anyway? laugh

I’ll admit I don’t know much about owning a horse but the last table on this page gives a rough estimate:

https://equine-world.co.uk/info/buying-loaning-sel...

I’m guessing if you do things yourself you can expect to pay about £5,000 a year for the horse which is lower than what the car costs an average driver, now multiply the average cost of car ownership by about 10 hehe. It’s not a comparable thing.

Edited by 321boost on Saturday 8th February 21:08


Edited by 321boost on Saturday 8th February 21:17


Edited by 321boost on Saturday 8th February 21:19
That's "running" a horse, it doesn't include the purchase nor any of the land required - the latter being meaningfully more than the car running costs.

The original question was about track days, and I think they'd be entirely comparable with equestrian activities.
I believe it includes rent.

smartypants

42,651 posts

119 months

Monday 10th February
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321boost said:
I believe it includes rent.
Surely we should also include the cost of the land to keep the car as well? Cars need a warm place to stay also smile


321boost

512 posts

20 months

Monday 10th February
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smartypants said:
Surely we should also include the cost of the land to keep the car as well? Cars need a warm place to stay also smile
I’m sure this will trigger someone but I already keep one of my cars nice and warm. I care more about my cars than I care about some of the living things.

nightflight

794 posts

167 months

Monday 10th February
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Pommy said:
broombroomcar said:
This is more than likely a controversial suggestion - all ICE motor racing should be banned. At least with cars on the road, you are going somewhere. Not many people go out for a drive these days - the ones that do are on here, so very few.

No doubt people will say the revenue involved in motorsports, but it is not necessary in terms of emissions.
Im thinking a field full of cows emit more emissions in a year than a year of the entire UK motorsport calendar
just Google emissions from termites !!!!!!!

fblm

17,205 posts

213 months

Monday 10th February
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nightflight said:
Pommy said:
broombroomcar said:
This is more than likely a controversial suggestion - all ICE motor racing should be banned. At least with cars on the road, you are going somewhere. Not many people go out for a drive these days - the ones that do are on here, so very few.

No doubt people will say the revenue involved in motorsports, but it is not necessary in terms of emissions.
Im thinking a field full of cows emit more emissions in a year than a year of the entire UK motorsport calendar
just Google emissions from termites !!!!!!!
Methane also 100 times more global warmingy than co2

FourWheelDrift

79,071 posts

234 months

VeeFource

970 posts

127 months

I'm sure as with many others on here, my issue with this news is the word 'Ban'. There are a significant number of people in this country for which the internal combustion engine is their main source of pleasure in life. For others it could be going abroad skiing, or driving up and down the country to mate show dogs. Should those high carbon footprint activities along with other polluting pleasures such as steam engines and barbecues be banned too? Where does it end, a ban on the use of powered vehicles for any nonessential journeys?

Surely instead of limiting what people are allowed to have, they should be making plans to incentivise people into the economies EVs inherently bring by proposing infrastructure targets such as streetlight charging etc?

Or how about carbon tax at the consumer level instead of the retailer level? I cycle a fair distance to work and don't want kids largely because I believe over population is the main issue behind the climate crisis. So why can't I have a flipping 2.0 MX5 (already being limited in sales volume due to emissions) for the odd weekend? Yet on a walk on my lunch break I see herds of ground workers blowing leaves back and forth with their 2 stroke leaf blowers & housewives taking their 4 kids out for a slob in their electric buggies. Then in the evenings people are driving around retail parks in circles looking for a parking spot that's closest to their gym ..but that's that's fine because they drive a 1.6!

Just seems a completely dictatorial and monumentally lazy attempt at tackling the climate crisis to me.

Edited by VeeFource on Friday 14th February 22:58

LandRoverManiac

321 posts

42 months

VeeFource said:
I'm sure as with many others on here, my issue with this news is the word 'Ban'. There are a significant number of people in this country for which the internal combustion engine is their main source of pleasure in life. For others it could be going abroad skiing, or driving up and down the country to mate show dogs. Should those high carbon footprint activities along with other polluting pleasures such as steam engines and barbecues be banned too? Where does it end, a ban on the use of powered vehicles for any nonessential journeys?

Surely instead of limiting what people are allowed to have, they should be making plans to incentivise people into the economies EVs inherently bring by proposing infrastructure targets such as streetlight charging etc?

Or how about carbon tax at the consumer level instead of the retailer level? I cycle a fair distance to work and don't want kids largely because I believe over population is the main issue behind the climate crisis. So why can't I have a flipping 2.0 MX5 (already being limited in sales volume due to emissions) for the odd weekend? Yet on a walk on my lunch break I see herds of ground workers blowing leaves back and forth with their 2 stroke leaf blowers & housewifes taking their 4 kids out for a slob in their electric buggies. Then in the evenings people are driving around retail parks in circles looking for a parking spot that's closest to their gym ..but that's that's fine because they drive a 1.6!

Just seems a completely dictatorial and monumentally lazy attempt at tackling the climate crisis to me.
^^ What he said.

The mere fact that they have to ban people from buying new ICE vehicles to force them to go electric screams volumes.

'You WILL buy this toaster on wheels!'

Personally I can see the hybrid elements of the ban being quietly dropped closer to the time. Some applications will simply be beyond the capability of lugging a bloody great battery pack around.


smartypants

42,651 posts

119 months

Yesterday (07:11)
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VeeFource said:
I'm sure as with many others on here, my issue with this news is the word 'Ban'. There are a significant number of people in this country for which the internal combustion engine is their main source of pleasure in life. For others it could be going abroad skiing, or driving up and down the country to mate show dogs. Should those high carbon footprint activities along with other polluting pleasures such as steam engines and barbecues be banned too? Where does it end, a ban on the use of powered vehicles for any nonessential journeys?

Surely instead of limiting what people are allowed to have, they should be making plans to incentivise people into the economies EVs inherently bring by proposing infrastructure targets such as streetlight charging etc?

Or how about carbon tax at the consumer level instead of the retailer level? I cycle a fair distance to work and don't want kids largely because I believe over population is the main issue behind the climate crisis. So why can't I have a flipping 2.0 MX5 (already being limited in sales volume due to emissions) for the odd weekend? Yet on a walk on my lunch break I see herds of ground workers blowing leaves back and forth with their 2 stroke leaf blowers & housewives taking their 4 kids out for a slob in their electric buggies. Then in the evenings people are driving around retail parks in circles looking for a parking spot that's closest to their gym ..but that's that's fine because they drive a 1.6!

Just seems a completely dictatorial and monumentally lazy attempt at tackling the climate crisis to me.

Edited by VeeFource on Friday 14th February 22:58
100%. The whole idea is preposterous even if you do believe in man made climate change and “carbon footprint”.



Zed 44

1,096 posts

106 months

Yesterday (13:07)
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VeeFource said:
I'm sure as with many others on here, my issue with this news is the word 'Ban'. There are a significant number of people in this country for which the internal combustion engine is their main source of pleasure in life. For others it could be going abroad skiing, or driving up and down the country to mate show dogs. Should those high carbon footprint activities along with other polluting pleasures such as steam engines and barbecues be banned too? Where does it end, a ban on the use of powered vehicles for any nonessential journeys?

Surely instead of limiting what people are allowed to have, they should be making plans to incentivise people into the economies EVs inherently bring by proposing infrastructure targets such as streetlight charging etc?

Or how about carbon tax at the consumer level instead of the retailer level? I cycle a fair distance to work and don't want kids largely because I believe over population is the main issue behind the climate crisis. So why can't I have a flipping 2.0 MX5 (already being limited in sales volume due to emissions) for the odd weekend? Yet on a walk on my lunch break I see herds of ground workers blowing leaves back and forth with their 2 stroke leaf blowers & housewives taking their 4 kids out for a slob in their electric buggies. Then in the evenings people are driving around retail parks in circles looking for a parking spot that's closest to their gym ..but that's that's fine because they drive a 1.6!

Just seems a completely dictatorial and monumentally lazy attempt at tackling the climate crisis to me.

Edited by VeeFource on Friday 14th February 22:58
You could have had my MX5 but it's sold now. Sorry.