People driving up your ar$e grrrr!

[rosetank]

Brooksay said:

Well, you could resist the temptation to say "off of".

The point still stands? At what speed below the posted speed limit would not trigger these angry outbursts, leading to irrational driving?

[Lazermilk]

I usually give my windows a really good wash, for some reason they usually back off a bit after that...

[jchesh]

I think people are jumping on what Pan Pan Pan said and exaggerating it to the extremes of its possible interpretation. I don't *think* he's saying that someone driving 1 mph below the limit is a problem, or that you should drive at the car/motorcycle limit at all times regardless of your vehicle and regardless of road conditions and hazards.

If, rather, he means that on today's busy roads it is rather selfish to drive 10 mph below the speed limit purely because you feel like it and not for any other reason, then I fully agree.

However, tailgating someone who is doing this, though tempting (and I definitely sometimes give in to this temptation), is not the answer as we know.

Edited by jchesh on Wednesday 12th February 16:36

[anonymous-user]

jchesh said:

If, rather, he means that on today's busy roads it is rather selfish to drive 10 mph below the speed limit purely because you feel like it and not for any other reason, then I fully agree.

Odd, I've never felt this about someone doing 50 in a 60, they're just as much within their rights to drive at a speed they feel comfortable with as I am, so I wait behind and overtake if I want to, it's quite simple.

Perhaps I don't get it because I'm not an intolerant petulant child...

[jchesh]

JimSuperSix said:

Odd, I've never felt this about someone doing 50 in a 60, they're just as much within their rights to drive at a speed they feel comfortable with as I am, so I wait behind and overtake if I want to, it's quite simple.

Perhaps I don't get it because I'm not an intolerant petulant child...

There's nothing childish or petulant about getting (quietly and calmly) irritated with a driver who refuses to exceed 50 mph when all pertinent factors except their own preference allow them to drive at 60. They may be within their rights; they're also within their rights to drive at 30; but that doesn't mean it's not slightly selfish if they do so but also refuse to pull over when safe to allow people following them to pass.

Sadly, the roads in Britain are mostly so crowded most of the time that anyone driving a car is in effect part of a train, or if you like a fluid in a pipe, rather than a lone agent whose personal speed preferences have little effect on anyone else. I think for the purposes of this point, we are not talking about an idyllic situation of a nearly empty road in the countryside where overtaking someone going below the limit is easy, but rather about the typical scenario most of the time where overtaking (if in a car) is pretty tricky because of the number of cars on one's own and the other side of the road. Driving at 3/4 of the speed limit for no reason other than one's whim or mood means that one's personal preference, rather than external and legal factors, is dictating the speed of a moderate to large number of other road users.

Edited by jchesh on Wednesday 12th February 17:12

[Dr Jekyll]

jchesh said:

I think people are jumping on what Pan Pan Pan said and exaggerating it to the extremes of its possible interpretation. I don't *think* he's saying that someone driving 1 mph below the limit is a problem, or that you should drive at the car/motorcycle limit at all times regardless of your vehicle and regardless of road conditions and hazards.

If, rather, he means that on today's busy roads it is rather selfish to drive 10 mph below the speed limit purely because you feel like it and not for any other reason, then I fully agree.

However, tailgating someone who is doing this, though tempting (and I definitely sometimes give in to this temptation), is not the answer as we know.

I've never found tailgating in the least tempting. Not only is it not the answer, it makes it harder to overtake.

[jchesh]

Dr Jekyll said:

I've never found tailgating in the least tempting. Not only is it not the answer, it makes it harder to overtake.

Quite right. And I envy you never being even tempted!

[ericmcn]

Gojira said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

I suggest you are one of the arrogant, selfish, f*ck everyone else brigade, who believes they can drive at whatever speed suits them, and don't care what effect it has on other drivers, who want to proceed legally, at the legal posted limits.
A person who dawdles during their driving test gets failed for not making proper progress, A person who dawdles on the road can rightly be stopped and fined for doing so.
If a person has not the werewithal to drive a vehicle at the UK posted limits, they should not be on the road.
There are also a million reasons why a driver should travel at the posted limit. The arrogance of someone who decides they are going to baulk all the drivers around them just because they feel like it and they have a right to do so is quite breathtaking.

You do realise that not everything on the road is allowed to drive at the speed on the signs?

Are people on planet Pan Pan Pan actually allowed to slow down for tight bends, or adverse weather conditions, or is that not allowed because it slows down the mighty PPP?

You really do come across as a "breathtakingly arrogant, selfish, fk everyone else" type yourself you know...

You really do come across as the type of driver at the front of the queue at the end of the clip here, the same types clogging up this road every day and in similar circumstances all across the land.

Not everyone wants to dawdle around at 30 or 40mph, If I was nearer to the front of the queue I would have overtaken these donkeys long ago, alas most people seem content to f**k around behind the idiots at the front. Many of these donkeys should be pulled for not driving on a bit, as pointed out part of the driving test is to actually driving on in a competent manner, i.e. to the NSL - if you are unable to do this or do some overtakes when it would be reasonably expected of you just get a bus.

https://youtu.be/jyOU1FQiP24

'Accidents from driving too SLOWLY are increasing'

https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/accident...

[Gojira]

ericmcn said:

Gojira said:

You do realise that not everything on the road is allowed to drive at the speed on the signs?

Are people on planet Pan Pan Pan actually allowed to slow down for tight bends, or adverse weather conditions, or is that not allowed because it slows down the mighty PPP?

You really do come across as a "breathtakingly arrogant, selfish, fk everyone else" type yourself you know...

You really do come across as the type of driver at the front of the queue at the end of the clip here, the same types clogging up this road every day and in similar circumstances all across the land.

Not everyone wants to dawdle around at 30 or 40mph, If I was nearer to the front of the queue I would have overtaken these donkeys long ago, alas most people seem content to f**k around behind the idiots at the front. Many of these donkeys should be pulled for not driving on a bit, as pointed out part of the driving test is to actually driving on in a competent manner, i.e. to the NSL - if you are unable to do this or do some overtakes when it would be reasonably expected of you just get a bus.

https://youtu.be/jyOU1FQiP24

'Accidents from driving too SLOWLY are increasing'

https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/accident...

Aha, the latest thrilling episode of SuperSubaruMan arrives at a computer screen near me - I can barely contain my excitement

But what was the point of the first five minutes of that 7:45 video you posted?

Either SuperSubaruMan driving on his own, or traffic in a 30mph limit, travelling at a reasonable speed, and yet the video is supposed to be all about people dawdling in NSLs....

I see you have read my previous post, and switched the evidence off, so I suppose you must be capable of learning something.

And it is handy having both the front and rear views - we can see that the guy behind is happy to leave a bigger gap than you are, and seems to do a better job of keeping a constant gap to the snail in front.

I'm not sure that the article relating to slow driving means what you think it means, though.

Oh, and you are wrong about how I drive, too...

I have driven at 40mph or less on NSL roads, but only when that is an appropriate speed for the circumstances!

Back in the good old days, I drove my Insipid around the EVO triangle at less than 40mph but that was when the road was covered in snow

I'd say I'm looking forward to the next exciting installment of SuperSubaruMan, but that would be telling porkies, wouldn't it?

[V8RX7]

OP you are driving like a granny.

People are getting frustrated that your dawdling is slowing them down so move over / stop to let them past.

Perhaps you should use the bus with the other OAPs

[anonymous-user]

ericmcn said:

Gojira said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

I suggest you are one of the arrogant, selfish, f*ck everyone else brigade, who believes they can drive at whatever speed suits them, and don't care what effect it has on other drivers, who want to proceed legally, at the legal posted limits.
A person who dawdles during their driving test gets failed for not making proper progress, A person who dawdles on the road can rightly be stopped and fined for doing so.
If a person has not the werewithal to drive a vehicle at the UK posted limits, they should not be on the road.
There are also a million reasons why a driver should travel at the posted limit. The arrogance of someone who decides they are going to baulk all the drivers around them just because they feel like it and they have a right to do so is quite breathtaking.

You do realise that not everything on the road is allowed to drive at the speed on the signs?

Are people on planet Pan Pan Pan actually allowed to slow down for tight bends, or adverse weather conditions, or is that not allowed because it slows down the mighty PPP?

You really do come across as a "breathtakingly arrogant, selfish, fk everyone else" type yourself you know...

You really do come across as the type of driver at the front of the queue at the end of the clip here, the same types clogging up this road every day and in similar circumstances all across the land.

Not everyone wants to dawdle around at 30 or 40mph, If I was nearer to the front of the queue I would have overtaken these donkeys long ago, alas most people seem content to f**k around behind the idiots at the front. Many of these donkeys should be pulled for not driving on a bit, as pointed out part of the driving test is to actually driving on in a competent manner, i.e. to the NSL - if you are unable to do this or do some overtakes when it would be reasonably expected of you just get a bus.

https://youtu.be/jyOU1FQiP24

'Accidents from driving too SLOWLY are increasing'

https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/accident...

Your own posted article even explains the actual cause:

"Slow driving itself is rarely the direct cause of incidents or injuries. However, there are behaviours associated with it that are dangerous. Over-ambitious overtakes, undertaking on the motorway, tailbacks and road rage"

ie. it's the increase of impatient and intolerant tts that are the real cause.

[FiF]

JimSuperSix said:

ericmcn said:

Gojira said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

I suggest you are one of the arrogant, selfish, f*ck everyone else brigade, who believes they can drive at whatever speed suits them, and don't care what effect it has on other drivers, who want to proceed legally, at the legal posted limits.
A person who dawdles during their driving test gets failed for not making proper progress, A person who dawdles on the road can rightly be stopped and fined for doing so.
If a person has not the werewithal to drive a vehicle at the UK posted limits, they should not be on the road.
There are also a million reasons why a driver should travel at the posted limit. The arrogance of someone who decides they are going to baulk all the drivers around them just because they feel like it and they have a right to do so is quite breathtaking.

You do realise that not everything on the road is allowed to drive at the speed on the signs?

Are people on planet Pan Pan Pan actually allowed to slow down for tight bends, or adverse weather conditions, or is that not allowed because it slows down the mighty PPP?

You really do come across as a "breathtakingly arrogant, selfish, fk everyone else" type yourself you know...

You really do come across as the type of driver at the front of the queue at the end of the clip here, the same types clogging up this road every day and in similar circumstances all across the land.

Not everyone wants to dawdle around at 30 or 40mph, If I was nearer to the front of the queue I would have overtaken these donkeys long ago, alas most people seem content to f**k around behind the idiots at the front. Many of these donkeys should be pulled for not driving on a bit, as pointed out part of the driving test is to actually driving on in a competent manner, i.e. to the NSL - if you are unable to do this or do some overtakes when it would be reasonably expected of you just get a bus.

https://youtu.be/jyOU1FQiP24

'Accidents from driving too SLOWLY are increasing'

https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/accident...

Your own posted article even explains the actual cause:

"Slow driving itself is rarely the direct cause of incidents or injuries. However, there are behaviours associated with it that are dangerous. Over-ambitious overtakes, undertaking on the motorway, tailbacks and road rage"

ie. it's the increase of impatient and intolerant tts that are the real cause.

Ignoring the twaddle from dashcam wart above who seems to delight in showing extremely boring examples of his own crap driving I would add another indirect causal factor to explain the list above highlighted above by JimSuperSix.

It's unfortunately a single anecdotal example but I'm sure it's repeated elsewhere. Rural A road, which used to be subject to NSL. It had a collision history, to be absolutely fair, not disastrous but there it is. Limit has gradually decreased from 60 to 50 to 40 end to end. Accident rate has not decreased at all, though the type of collision has changed. Now it's very much showing an increase due to risky over-ambitious overtakes, which because of the higher closing speeds are now worse than the previous typical incidents which were most likely to be around a couple of badly sighted junctions. So you have someone sticking to the legal and btw camera van enforced limit, causing some "impatient and intolerant tt" to do something which at minimum results in life changing injuries. Apart from the couple of junctions that, if you are paying attention, result in pegging it back a bit, the rest of the road is perfectly safe at NSL, and actually for blue light runs well above. Of course where the camera van sits is the fastest, straightest and arguably safest stretch with no junctions and only one well sighted farm entrance.

[anonymous-user]

FiF said:

JimSuperSix said:

ericmcn said:

Gojira said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

I suggest you are one of the arrogant, selfish, f*ck everyone else brigade, who believes they can drive at whatever speed suits them, and don't care what effect it has on other drivers, who want to proceed legally, at the legal posted limits.
A person who dawdles during their driving test gets failed for not making proper progress, A person who dawdles on the road can rightly be stopped and fined for doing so.
If a person has not the werewithal to drive a vehicle at the UK posted limits, they should not be on the road.
There are also a million reasons why a driver should travel at the posted limit. The arrogance of someone who decides they are going to baulk all the drivers around them just because they feel like it and they have a right to do so is quite breathtaking.

You do realise that not everything on the road is allowed to drive at the speed on the signs?

Are people on planet Pan Pan Pan actually allowed to slow down for tight bends, or adverse weather conditions, or is that not allowed because it slows down the mighty PPP?

You really do come across as a "breathtakingly arrogant, selfish, fk everyone else" type yourself you know...

You really do come across as the type of driver at the front of the queue at the end of the clip here, the same types clogging up this road every day and in similar circumstances all across the land.

Not everyone wants to dawdle around at 30 or 40mph, If I was nearer to the front of the queue I would have overtaken these donkeys long ago, alas most people seem content to f**k around behind the idiots at the front. Many of these donkeys should be pulled for not driving on a bit, as pointed out part of the driving test is to actually driving on in a competent manner, i.e. to the NSL - if you are unable to do this or do some overtakes when it would be reasonably expected of you just get a bus.

https://youtu.be/jyOU1FQiP24

'Accidents from driving too SLOWLY are increasing'

https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/accident...

Your own posted article even explains the actual cause:

"Slow driving itself is rarely the direct cause of incidents or injuries. However, there are behaviours associated with it that are dangerous. Over-ambitious overtakes, undertaking on the motorway, tailbacks and road rage"

ie. it's the increase of impatient and intolerant tts that are the real cause.

Ignoring the twaddle from dashcam wart above who seems to delight in showing extremely boring examples of his own crap driving I would add another indirect causal factor to explain the list above highlighted above by JimSuperSix.

It's unfortunately a single anecdotal example but I'm sure it's repeated elsewhere. Rural A road, which used to be subject to NSL. It had a collision history, to be absolutely fair, not disastrous but there it is. Limit has gradually decreased from 60 to 50 to 40 end to end. Accident rate has not decreased at all, though the type of collision has changed. Now it's very much showing an increase due to risky over-ambitious overtakes, which because of the higher closing speeds are now worse than the previous typical incidents which were most likely to be around a couple of badly sighted junctions. So you have someone sticking to the legal and btw camera van enforced limit, causing some "impatient and intolerant tt" to do something which at minimum results in life changing injuries. Apart from the couple of junctions that, if you are paying attention, result in pegging it back a bit, the rest of the road is perfectly safe at NSL, and actually for blue light runs well above. Of course where the camera van sits is the fastest, straightest and arguably safest stretch with no junctions and only one well sighted farm entrance.

Same around here, some local roads were 60 limits for years and I never saw or heard of an accident on them, but they were suddenly reduced to 40s for no obvious reasons. Ofc most of the locals still (try to) do 60 because its habit, and because the road is perfectly suitable for a 60 limit.

[uncleluck]

[quote=Who me ?]Don't know if this has been mentioned before, but if there's an idiot hogging your tale- find somewhere safe to let th accident get past to happen up the road. If the road is not suitable for letting them past- I find the old stop start method works,and they soon get the message that intimidation will not work.
[/quote]

If you mean the brake check method, I used to do this and my GF tried it once. She was on a dual carriageway and some tt was tailgating here rather than just going past (and she was a good confident driver so sure she’d have been going well anyway and was in either an Impreza or some other Jap turbo). She brake checked him to make a point he was way too close and it turned him into complete road rage nutter!

Got alongside her shouting all the names under the sun, got in front of her, tried to get out at the roundabout etc. She drove to her parents house and he followed her all the way giving abuse and he was out his car , pulling on her handle like he was going to beat her up. This is a small woman who at the time was 8 months pregnant and he didn’t give a damn! He was going bananas and her dad came out and eventually the bloke went after he was told the police were coming.

She gave me a description (traveller) and car and I actually went into the ‘camp’ looking for him but amazingly nobody knew of him!

Often wonder what he’d actually have done to a young lady 8 months pregnant if she’d got out the car! Considering he’d shouted and road raged for a good 15 minutes I can’t imagine it’d have been for anything other than beating her up!

[WJNB]

At high speed on motorways they are indeed a real danger & I have no worries about taking the view that discretion is the better part of valour, casting ego aside & having nothing to prove, happy to let them by at the first opportunity.
However sometimes you can have fun with them such as:
Stopping at an empty roundabout.
Letting in every possible vehicle out from side turnings.
Always allowing hesitant pedestrians to cross the road, whether they are waiting at a pedestrian crossing or not.
In a queue as already suggested leave an excessive gap between the car in front.
If dark & wet ensure foot is ALWAYS resting on the brake pedal, lovely & dazzling.
On dual-carriageways taking a VERY long time to overtake something & leaving a huge gap before returning to the inside lane.
Slowing down well before traffic lights & then waiting a second or so after the green before moving off SLOWLY. Ditto at any junction whether its a requirement to stop or not.
Just slowing down on the basis that 'the nearer they come the slower I go'. Idea for a bumper sticker? THE NEARER YOU COME THE SLOWER I GO used in conjunction with the existing STAY BACK - I KEEP TO SPEED LIMIT as displayed on many a Honda Jazz & old model Civic driven by the half-dead.
When 'they' do get past I always anticipate their cutting across my bow in retribution & thus brake slightly as they are alongside thus leaving a massive gap & spoiling there desire to punish. This makes them look silly cutting across something that's no longer there.

Sometimes but rarely those up your ar.e. get these message & back off.

[jchesh]

WJNB said:

At high speed on motorways they are indeed a real danger & I have no worries about taking the view that discretion is the better part of valour, casting ego aside & having nothing to prove, happy to let them by at the first opportunity.
However sometimes you can have fun with them such as:
Stopping at an empty roundabout.
Letting in every possible vehicle out from side turnings.
Always allowing hesitant pedestrians to cross the road, whether they are waiting at a pedestrian crossing or not.
In a queue as already suggested leave an excessive gap between the car in front.
If dark & wet ensure foot is ALWAYS resting on the brake pedal, lovely & dazzling.
On dual-carriageways taking a VERY long time to overtake something & leaving a huge gap before returning to the inside lane.
Slowing down well before traffic lights & then waiting a second or so after the green before moving off SLOWLY. Ditto at any junction whether its a requirement to stop or not.
Just slowing down on the basis that 'the nearer they come the slower I go'. Idea for a bumper sticker? THE NEARER YOU COME THE SLOWER I GO used in conjunction with the existing STAY BACK - I KEEP TO SPEED LIMIT as displayed on many a Honda Jazz & old model Civic driven by the half-dead.
When 'they' do get past I always anticipate their cutting across my bow in retribution & thus brake slightly as they are alongside thus leaving a massive gap & spoiling there desire to punish. This makes them look silly cutting across something that's no longer there.

Sometimes but rarely those up your ar.e. get these message & back off.

Most of these sound like dangerous games which increase the net risk of the situation and as you say rarely deter the tailgater. Not saying I never do any of them though...

[Deranged Rover]

Forget brake-checks, acceleration and other foolish bravado - the only sensible way of dealing with a tailgater is to slow down. If you're doing 40mph and they're only leaving 20mph worth of gap between them and you, then slow down to 20!!

Repeat until they get the message or overtake - then let it go and get on with your life.

[MightyBadger]

JimSuperSix said:

Odd, I've never felt this about someone doing 50 in a 60, they're just as much within their rights to drive at a speed they feel comfortable with as I am, so I wait behind and overtake if I want to, it's quite simple.

Perhaps I don't get it because I'm not an intolerant petulant child...

Exactly this.


Tailgating is the practice of proper nimrods, fact.

[Pericoloso]

uncleluck said:

If you mean the brake check method, I used to do this and my GF tried it once. She was on a dual carriageway and some tt was tailgating here rather than just going past (and she was a good confident driver so sure she’d have been going well anyway and was in either an Impreza or some other Jap turbo). She brake checked him to make a point he was way too close and it turned him into complete road rage nutter!

Got alongside her shouting all the names under the sun, got in front of her, tried to get out at the roundabout etc. She drove to her parents house and he followed her all the way giving abuse and he was out his car , pulling on her handle like he was going to beat her up. This is a small woman who at the time was 8 months pregnant and he didn’t give a damn! He was going bananas and her dad came out and eventually the bloke went after he was told the police were coming.

She gave me a description (traveller) and car and I actually went into the ‘camp’ looking for him but amazingly nobody knew of him!

Often wonder what he’d actually have done to a young lady 8 months pregnant if she’d got out the car! Considering he’d shouted and road raged for a good 15 minutes I can’t imagine it’d have been for anything other than beating her up!

When 3 idiots meet !

1....Brake checked a nutter
2.....Partner entered travellers camp for a ruck
3.....the other fella.

[uncleluck]

Pericoloso said:

When 3 idiots meet !

1....Brake checked a nutter
2.....Partner entered travellers camp for a ruck
3.....the other fella.

4.... mouth almighty keyboard warrior!

Just out of interest, if some Pratt is stupidly close to your bumper when he could be just passing on a dual carriageway way, what would you do?

For all he knew she could have been preparing to avoid someone pulling out (and yes there’s a housing estate slip rd onto it) dog/cat/fox etc

Only a fool breaks the two second rule was not designed for the person being tailgated way too close.

I’m not talking about slamming the brakes or causing an accident I’m talking a dab to flash the brake lights so they realise they’re way too close to react to braking! Which they usually are as it usually makes them back off.

And I guess if your heavily pregnant GF rang you shaken up she’d almost been attacked by some pussy bloke you’d just put the phone down and disappear into your shell? “Ok dear, gotta go there’s people to insult online”