RE: Porsche 718 GTS 4.0 | PH Review

[J4CKO]

Porsche provide what all the enthusiasts crave, manual, mid engined NA with plenty of power, dont have to have the downsized turbo, hooray etc !

Then we get moans about options and finance.....

[Superlightdaa]

Called into my local Porsche dealer over the weekend to initially discuss a new Cayman GTS 4.0 as I think it will be a stunning car.

[Superlightdaa]

J4CKO said:

Porsche provide what all the enthusiasts crave, manual, mid engined NA with plenty of power, dont have to have the downsized turbo, hooray etc !

Then we get moans about options and finance.....

This....every thread always ends up about finance and options, missing the point of a GTS imo.

[SidewaysSi]

nickfrog said:

TimoMak said:

again sideways proves he knows nothing about cars. Alpine are finished lol.

Can't you try and make positive and constructive contributions rather than focus on your irrational issues with someone you don't know? Just PM him if you need to tell him something.

My comment is obviously a bit too subtle. I may need to go to a pet store and buy Timo a massive parrot.

You do like to cut and paste don't you Timo? Why don't you also answer the multiple questions asked of you from numerous posters on the other thread?

And yes, I know nothing about cars as I have told you multiple times before. Do you know anything about multi-coloured birds?

Edited by SidewaysSi on Monday 17th February 11:51

[anonymous-user]

Plate spinner said:

I’d much prefer more tightly stacked 1-5 ratios with a tall cruising gear for motorways.

I wouldn't. You'd just end up with some useless gears in the box. With the ratios as they are many drivers will already be skipping intermediate gears in normal driving. PDKs are quicker than manuals and if the manual needed more frequent gear changes I think the difference would get even wider.

I find the gear I'm driving in unsuitable I just select another one. After all, there are six to choose from.

[Krikkit]

Superlightdaa said:

J4CKO said:

Porsche provide what all the enthusiasts crave, manual, mid engined NA with plenty of power, dont have to have the downsized turbo, hooray etc !

Then we get moans about options and finance.....

This....every thread always ends up about finance and options, missing the point of a GTS imo.

True, but it does grate when they're selling a luxury car but not putting simple options in them that even cheap hatchbacks have had for a decade.

[PaulD86]

flukey5 said:

My point is, none of these sell for anything close to the base RRP after options, I'm sure even you would spend at least a few ££££, and you don't see any return on investment on any of these.

I'm curious how you arrive at that conclusion - there is plenty of evidence to show that used Porsches with desirable spec command higher prices and get better offers come trade in time, And at the end of a term I think most Porsches will be worth a lot more than any GFV - Mine was by a huge amount. Buy a base one and it will be a hard resell, so there is absolutely a return on option investment in that you'll sell the car for more and more easily. I know other makes this isn't always the case, but watch the Porsche used market and you can see the effect of the right options. I've a Cayman R and the prices for these vary significantly by spec. When my ex sold their last 911 which was optioned right up, the dealers were making great offers on it and more than we expected it would get - all said the spec would sell it.

[av185]

Of course options make a huge difference on the residual value of mosts cars especially higher end stuff like Porsches.

With Porsche GTs options are crucial to value and saleability.

As ever there are a number of no brainer options which enhance the value of the car over and above the option cost.

Other options are a total waste and can often actually diminish the cars value.

Best advice depending on how long you intend keeping the car is always spec your Porsche for yourself but always have an eye on the market too.

Anyone who does otherwise is either a fool or likes depreciation.

Edited by av185 on Monday 17th February 12:09

Edited by av185 on Monday 17th February 12:11

[Carl_Manchester]

flukey5 said:

Seems like a good deal at ~64k but then you realise....
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...that the only alternative that will compete with said Cayman will be to go and spend £250k on a Ferrari F8.

This is the head-to-head that the Cayman 4.0L is heading for, weighted against practicality and value for money, the Cayman might actually beat it.

The depreciation on a 4.0L Cayman after 3 years will be glacial.

[SidewaysSi]

av185 said:

Of course options make a huge difference on the residual value of mosts cars especially higher end stuff like Porsches.

With Porsche GTs options are crucial to value and saleability.

As ever there are a number of no brainer options which enhance the value of the car over and above the option cost.

Other options are a total waste and can often actually diminish the cars value.

Best advice depending on how long you intend keeping the car is always spec your Porsche for yourself but always have an eye on the market too.

Anyone who does otherwise is either a fool or likes depreciation.

Edited by av185 on Monday 17th February 12:09

Edited by av185 on Monday 17th February 12:11

Exactly. I had about £14k worth of options on my 981 GT4. Resale wasn't an issue.

[TWPC]

cypriot said:

I hate to be the negative one here, but any review of these 718s without discussing the absurdly long gearing screams to me like a biased review. Yes, the chassis is great, brakes are great, steering is great, seating position is great.... this was all true of the turbo'd ones. Whilst we should celebrate the introduction of an NA engine back into these cars, I would expect any half decent car journalist to talk about the gearing issue and discuss what effect it has on the driving enjoyment - which is the whole point of putting an NA engine back in the first place.

Does anyone know of a company that will supply and fit lower final drive ratios for Boxsters and Caymans? This issue with the suitability of their gearing for the UK has gone on for years.

[wab172uk]

cypriot said:

I hate to be the negative one here, but any review of these 718s without discussing the absurdly long gearing screams to me like a biased review. Yes, the chassis is great, brakes are great, steering is great, seating position is great.... this was all true of the turbo'd ones. Whilst we should celebrate the introduction of an NA engine back into these cars, I would expect any half decent car journalist to talk about the gearing issue and discuss what effect it has on the driving enjoyment - which is the whole point of putting an NA engine back in the first place.

This is the biggest issue for me. Looked at a second hand GT4 last year. But the thought of 84mph in second gear put me off. On a tight back roads, you'd never get it out of second gear. What's fun about that?

I guess it all comes down to Porsche slowing the Cayman down, as it would be as quick as a 911. So why buy a 911?

[TWPC]

Nevertheless the car sounds amazing... I'll have a Boxster in red when my numbers come up.

[WCZ]

ate one too said:

stuff

the point is that these are standard options on a £20k hatchback and it's a joke that porsche overcharge for them.

also for resale it'll make it so much harder to shift.

from an actual perspective of using the car it'd be the crappy stereo and standard crappy lights that would annoy me

[wab172uk]

Superlightdaa said:

J4CKO said:

Porsche provide what all the enthusiasts crave, manual, mid engined NA with plenty of power, dont have to have the downsized turbo, hooray etc !

Then we get moans about options and finance.....

This....every thread always ends up about finance and options, missing the point of a GTS imo.

But as most people need finance to buy one, then it does become a major factor for discussion.

[av185]

TWPC said:

Nevertheless the car sounds amazing... I'll have a Boxster in red when my numbers come up.

No point though when you are 6' under.

[Helicopter123]

Wonderful, just wonderful.

And you can buy one without the trinkets on the mid £60k mark?

Lightly spec to keep it below £70k and that is an absolute bargain.

[anonymous-user]

av185 said:

As ever there are a number of no brainer options which enhance the value of the car over and above the option cost.

Whenever people say that I ask "what are the bonus value, no brainer options?" but I've never yet received an answer...

[Plate spinner]

rockin said:

Plate spinner said:

I’d much prefer more tightly stacked 1-5 ratios with a tall cruising gear for motorways.

I wouldn't. You'd just end up with some useless gears in the box. With the ratios as they are many drivers will already be skipping intermediate gears in normal driving. PDKs are quicker than manuals and if the manual needed more frequent gear changes I think the difference would get even wider.

I find the gear I'm driving in unsuitable I just select another one. After all, there are six to choose from.

I get you, but the point being made is that if you want to zip to the redline and stay legal in the U.K., there is 1 gear to choose from.

[robinandcamera]

I’m not in Porsche circles so I dont know the latest, but I did spot this company in the states that offer a shorter final drive that sounds like it would be perfect.

I cant get past second gear doesnt top out until 84mph in second, I just cant.

https://www.autoquestcars.com/custom-10

Edited by robinandcamera on Monday 17th February 12:58

Edited by robinandcamera on Monday 17th February 17:15