RE: Project Vector is Jaguar's 'smart city' slicker

RE: Project Vector is Jaguar's 'smart city' slicker

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CDP

7,459 posts

254 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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City Rover

Mark-C

5,069 posts

205 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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Every now and then (well quite often really) I get annoyed by the front and rear overhangs on the XJS.

This vehicle certainly solves that ... I won't buy one but I'll certainly never ever again get annoyed by the front and rear overhangs on the XJS.

Grrbang

728 posts

71 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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sisu said:
As the Crow's have learnt that this wont run them over in the autonomous testing in Helsinki over the past 2 years allowing them to eat roadkill at their leisure.
They put horns on them but the birds reaslised that it would still stop regardless.
They have moved the testing to Arizona now
That's hilarious, do you have a source? I can't find one.

I've worked with autonomous vehicle engineers, and confirm that they identify random use cases just as absurd-sounding as this. They would have to create a crow detection algorithm or tinker with the cost/reward functions. However in this case they should definitely go for a bumper-mounted scarecrow.

unsprung

5,467 posts

124 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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Overhaul said:
This is much better.........

https://youtu.be/29u543fIX5g
hehe

and a claimed 50 mph!! in that thing: quite foolhardy



anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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Overhaul said:
This is much better.........

https://youtu.be/29u543fIX5g
Surreal - thanks for posting!

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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I blame the Internet.

Reasons never to car share:

1. They'll vape, smoke, vomit and shag in it.
2. They'll kerb the tyres; not tell you; and you unwittingly will be at risk of a blowout.
3. I hate sharing. I can't even abide tapas bars.

DonkeyApple

55,230 posts

169 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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tommy1973s said:
I blame the Internet.

Reasons never to car share:

1. They'll vape, smoke, vomit and shag in it.
2. They'll kerb the tyres; not tell you; and you unwittingly will be at risk of a blowout.
3. I hate sharing. I can't even abide tapas bars.
But if you’re the kind of chap who spends all their income on beard trimming and artisan sandwiches but hasn’t the strength to walk anywhere you don’t have any choice but to share. As you say, no one likes to share but not sharing is an indulgence the professional over shopper can’t afford.

Personally, I suspect the actual issue with car sharing is why bother? Why have the hassle of involvement in an object when you can just use Uber when you need to tear yourself away from a mirror and go and buy some tat with the money you were meant to be using to put a roof over your head?

sisu

2,580 posts

173 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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Grrbang said:
sisu said:
As the Crow's have learnt that this wont run them over in the autonomous testing in Helsinki over the past 2 years allowing them to eat roadkill at their leisure.
They put horns on them but the birds reaslised that it would still stop regardless.
They have moved the testing to Arizona now
That's hilarious, do you have a source? I can't find one.

I've worked with autonomous vehicle engineers, and confirm that they identify random use cases just as absurd-sounding as this. They would have to create a crow detection algorithm or tinker with the cost/reward functions. However in this case they should definitely go for a bumper-mounted scarecrow.
There was an article about it here in 2017 I will try and fish it out. There is a photo somewhere of the testing at the university with students inside and 3 crows giving zero fks. The crows were still ahead of the game when I spoke to the operator of the Gacha pod last summer as the crows recognize the pod and so now they have an operator overriding the system using a ps3 controller in order for them to scare the Crows out of the way. The hope is that they will teach the Crows that this is just another car. For me I love that they haven't understood how the Crows learnt this weakness in the first place but hope to cover up the fault for the time being.

The controller is also used as the pod doesn't recognize someone cutting it up. It slows down inexplicably if someone passes to close.
The winter testing has a few problems. It doesn't work when it is snowing or when the snow has been plowed and there is ice road as it doesn't have points of reference, something that happens in Finland. Standing water is a problem, if there is a puddle due to flooding being splashed at it the pod cant recognize it as water itself or a dog shaped splash. Also dirty spray from Buses/trucks and frost added a layer to cameras and equipment over time gradually so requires them to clean the pod every run.

So they are only using it in Summer

untakenname

4,967 posts

192 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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As soon as you get shareable cars without a driver/owner onboard people will treat them badly, I'd half expect to get the car back in the morning still wet with bodily fluids.


JLR said:
Zero Accidents: Every year globally 1.3 million people die in car accidents, equivalent to eight jumbo jet crashes per day. Autonomous technologies can prevent these deaths.

Zero Congestion: Transport infrastructure across many countries is reaching its limits. Take central London, where the average speed of traffic is 7.4mph. Intelligent, networked transport systems offer the solution, with a future generation of system-level innovation.
JLR's 'Destination Zero' plan sounds like some same type of bs TFL spout with their 'Vision Zero' in regards to road deaths, it's frankly impossible to remove danger from the roads.

Congestion will increase massively with autonomous technologies for exactly the same reason the researchers found out above the with crows, other road users (pedestrians mainly) will realise they can step out into the road with impunity which will cause gridlock and the cars will be driving by the book like a learner during a test which will cause massive frustration to other drivers.

Cold

15,243 posts

90 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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What they promised us we'd get in the future:





What they're actually going to give us:



Dreamy.

hackjo

354 posts

160 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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If you're the kind of person that's too lazy to walk, but not keen on using buses or taxis and would prefer to be ferried around in a large ice cube made by a company notable for its reliability problems, this might be for you.

unsprung

5,467 posts

124 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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Cold said:
What they promised us we'd get in the future:

And...?




Clivey

5,110 posts

204 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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Christ, this is grim. I'm rapidly losing hope for the future if this is the best that companies like JLR can come up with.

LimaDelta

6,520 posts

218 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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Tim bo said:
oh wow ... the beginning of a new beginning ...
This. I think we are living through an exciting time when it comes to car design. We can almost literally re-invent the wheel. I look forward to more designs freed from the constraints of ICE installations.

DonkeyApple

55,230 posts

169 months

Sunday 23rd February 2020
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LimaDelta said:
This. I think we are living through an exciting time when it comes to car design. We can almost literally re-invent the wheel. I look forward to more designs freed from the constraints of ICE installations.
It’s going to be very interesting seeing this evolve as we no longer are constrained by historical purpose. I can’t help thinking that everyone will just make a box though!

Mr Tidy

22,305 posts

127 months

Sunday 23rd February 2020
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If you made them 4 times as long then joined 8 of them up you could make the sort of EV we already have - they run on the London Underground!

And you often have to share your seat with a fat-a*sed mouth-breather with halitosis while you listen to the moronic drum n bass overspill from their headphones.

But if you think that is progress I hope you enjoy it. laugh

matt2911

81 posts

52 months

Sunday 23rd February 2020
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Gecko1978 said:
I don't see it somhow, the reason being in london at least TFL. If my zero.emmesions driverless pod can take me from home to work then go park itself an charge up...tube drivers, station staff, bus drivers black cabs etc we don't need you anymore plus working from home (most city jobs are office based) means a lot less people using public transport.

Can't see the unions going for that
You assume buses and underground trains aren’t going to be automated. A Union has no power if the country doesn’t need the labour so they can not go for it all they want. With regard to the over paid underground drivers: good riddance.

DonkeyApple

55,230 posts

169 months

Sunday 23rd February 2020
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Mr Tidy said:
If you made them 4 times as long then joined 8 of them up you could make the sort of EV we already have - they run on the London Underground!

And you often have to share your seat with a fat-a*sed mouth-breather with halitosis while you listen to the moronic drum n bass overspill from their headphones.

But if you think that is progress I hope you enjoy it. laugh
However pants this sharing box idea looks it’s still very much the case that that our EV future looks better than yours: wink


swisstoni

16,977 posts

279 months

Sunday 23rd February 2020
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Bit of a slow puncture at the back there.

Blakewater

4,309 posts

157 months

Sunday 23rd February 2020
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DonkeyApple said:
However pants this sharing box idea looks it’s still very much the case that that our EV future looks better than yours: wink

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I've always thought the Suzuki Ignis is this shape.

A manager where I used to work told me how she and her sister were drunk in a taxi after a night out. She thought it was hilarious that her sister pissed all over the back seat and they did a runner when the furious driver demanded a cleaning fee. Without anyone there holding people to account, a shared car will be vandalised and filthied.