Angry Passat Man...
Discussion
Pesty said:
Then I change my mind and apologise to oddcat. I was picturing what I do.
Don’t block lanes I shall be going to Manchester tomorrow as I did yesterday. I shall look for your van and give you a stern look should our eyes meet.
Although getting so het up over that is not healthy and he probably needs to calm down. Don’t worry he will be having a heart attack soon so you win in the end.
So I should drive out blind? Don’t block lanes I shall be going to Manchester tomorrow as I did yesterday. I shall look for your van and give you a stern look should our eyes meet.
Although getting so het up over that is not healthy and he probably needs to calm down. Don’t worry he will be having a heart attack soon so you win in the end.
PS your safe tomorrow. I'm staying home.
surveyor said:
So I should drive out blind?
PS your safe tomorrow. I'm staying home.
Sure mines a company car and I could use some compensation and time off. Try and hit a black Skoda I promise I won’t be angry. PS your safe tomorrow. I'm staying home.
Can you wait until I fit the dash cam though I haven’t got around to it yet.
OddCat said:
I wonder what Plod would say if, as he swung off the A road into the B road, the angry man had simply ploughed into the side of the OPs van rather than stopping. And angry mans dashcam clearly showed the OPs vehicle positioned in a way that was blocking his path. Just sayin'.
I would imagine they'd wonder why the angry man didn't see it when his dashcam did, so they'd do him for diriving without due care.To be fair, it would be a risky manoeuvre at night.
I don’t think you did anything wrong as you don’t have much choice tbh, I drive wagons and that’s even worse in these situations! That’s why you often see foreign truckers creeping out of roundabouts as they simply can’t see. I wouldn’t want to be pulling out onto the woodhead without clear visibility.
You did the only sensible thing, done it plenty of times. You encountered a self important colossal t
t who needs to grow up, which seems to be an increasing phenominum - someone above mentioned mental health, I think the mental health as an average of the UK adult population is declining and nowhere is that more evident than on the roads.
t who needs to grow up, which seems to be an increasing phenominum - someone above mentioned mental health, I think the mental health as an average of the UK adult population is declining and nowhere is that more evident than on the roads.This isn’t a binary situation to me.
OP has no real choice when taking his van through that junction. But can also see how that would feel dangerous to the Passat driver, from risk of hitting the OP on the wrong side of the road, or just being made stop and wait in a risky position.
It’s a bad junction and maybe one to avoid if you’ve got poor visibility? That said, the Passat man shouldn’t be losing it and going mad.
OPs driving was the only sensible thing to do there. Passat man is entitled to feel he’s been put in a dangerous spot.
OP has no real choice when taking his van through that junction. But can also see how that would feel dangerous to the Passat driver, from risk of hitting the OP on the wrong side of the road, or just being made stop and wait in a risky position.
It’s a bad junction and maybe one to avoid if you’ve got poor visibility? That said, the Passat man shouldn’t be losing it and going mad.
OPs driving was the only sensible thing to do there. Passat man is entitled to feel he’s been put in a dangerous spot.
surveyor said:
Alucidnation said:
Surely if you stayed sort of parallel with the road, you could have used your left hand mirror instead of swinging out?
I think to see anything useful, I'm still going to be blocking the entry lane, and with an even poorer idea of what is coming from behind, not least that I know have a blind spot to contend with.I have just looked at various angles of the junction on Google maps and it is a bit crap tbf.
It's a crap junction. I also know it well.
There's nothing at all wrong with what you did - there's very little choice if you're in something with poor visibility. I'm always very cautious approaching that junction from either direction on Woodhead.
Regarding the suggestion of staying parallel and using the left hand door mirror to see, you wouldn't be able to do that safely there. The road OP was on is coming uphill and there's a wall, and a bend, which would leave you with very little in the mirror.
I also think some people may have misinterpreted the 'lane blocking' as OP pulling halfway out onto Woodhead and blocking the traffic trying to pass the end of the junction, though, rather than it being the back end of the van blocking the other lane of the road OP was emerging from.
There's nothing at all wrong with what you did - there's very little choice if you're in something with poor visibility. I'm always very cautious approaching that junction from either direction on Woodhead.
Regarding the suggestion of staying parallel and using the left hand door mirror to see, you wouldn't be able to do that safely there. The road OP was on is coming uphill and there's a wall, and a bend, which would leave you with very little in the mirror.
I also think some people may have misinterpreted the 'lane blocking' as OP pulling halfway out onto Woodhead and blocking the traffic trying to pass the end of the junction, though, rather than it being the back end of the van blocking the other lane of the road OP was emerging from.
surveyor said:
Have tonight been threatened with having my block knocked off by a bug eyed angry Passat man. Went 0 - 100 in about 15 seconds. Let me explain...
You were fine Anyone who drives a modern Ford Transit knows you absolutely cannot see left when approaching junctions at an angle like that, you have to square up. Sounds like he was just a twot.
I have a MWB Transit MK 7 and I've had had to pull out, then quare up, to get a safe view left at that junction.
I've only had my van a few months, and I was driving to a job with one of my crew and when I mentioned the rediculous blind spot, he said, "yeah, you have to turn to see the road, always have"
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 19th February 07:59
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 19th February 08:00
How long were you blocking the road before Angry Passat man arrived?
I guess he's one of those 'know the road' types who uses the angle of the junction to keep up his momentum and got surprised by a van that 'shouldn't have been there'.
How would insurance / court have viewed this if Passat man had crashed into you? He would have had to cross dotted white (give way?) lines to crash into you.
I guess he's one of those 'know the road' types who uses the angle of the junction to keep up his momentum and got surprised by a van that 'shouldn't have been there'.
How would insurance / court have viewed this if Passat man had crashed into you? He would have had to cross dotted white (give way?) lines to crash into you.
LeoSayer said:
How long were you blocking the road before Angry Passat man arrived?
I guess he's one of those 'know the road' types who uses the angle of the junction to keep up his momentum and got surprised by a van that 'shouldn't have been there'.
How would insurance / court have viewed this if Passat man had crashed into you? He would have had to cross dotted white (give way?) lines to crash into you.
Long enough. I waited for a gap in traffic before I positioned, just so that I did not accidentally and immediately present myself as a target for someone coming off at the junction.I guess he's one of those 'know the road' types who uses the angle of the junction to keep up his momentum and got surprised by a van that 'shouldn't have been there'.
How would insurance / court have viewed this if Passat man had crashed into you? He would have had to cross dotted white (give way?) lines to crash into you.
I think, if I understand the incident correctly here, Oddcat is on the money.
No doubt that angry Passat man was not justified in his response, so there's no defending his mental issues on that side of things.
But OP, if the vehicle creates an obstruction into the road, then surely that's a problem?
To put it another way and explain the logic for a moment, if I am proceeding along the road and a van pulls out from a junction on the right (turning to his left), but because of the length of his vehicle must pass into my lane to complete his manoeuvrer, then unless I respond by braking I'd impact, no? Same with a truck?
So the obligation would rest on the party pulling out of the junction to check both lanes of traffic are clear?
Now I understand the circumstances here are different being that you hadn't pulled out of the junction yet and therefore would not have caused an impact, but you may indeed have been blocking the other lane's right of way. Perhaps look for a different approach to solving the visibility challenge?
To those who say, it's a big vehicle, common problem, blah blah blah - if a vehicle doesn't suit a road then don't take the vehicle down that road. There's a reason articulated lorries don't go bandying about housing estates for fun.
No doubt that angry Passat man was not justified in his response, so there's no defending his mental issues on that side of things.
But OP, if the vehicle creates an obstruction into the road, then surely that's a problem?
To put it another way and explain the logic for a moment, if I am proceeding along the road and a van pulls out from a junction on the right (turning to his left), but because of the length of his vehicle must pass into my lane to complete his manoeuvrer, then unless I respond by braking I'd impact, no? Same with a truck?
So the obligation would rest on the party pulling out of the junction to check both lanes of traffic are clear?
Now I understand the circumstances here are different being that you hadn't pulled out of the junction yet and therefore would not have caused an impact, but you may indeed have been blocking the other lane's right of way. Perhaps look for a different approach to solving the visibility challenge?
To those who say, it's a big vehicle, common problem, blah blah blah - if a vehicle doesn't suit a road then don't take the vehicle down that road. There's a reason articulated lorries don't go bandying about housing estates for fun.
Mr_Megalomaniac said:
I think, if I understand the incident correctly here, Oddcat is on the money.
No doubt that angry Passat man was not justified in his response, so there's no defending his mental issues on that side of things.
But OP, if the vehicle creates an obstruction into the road, then surely that's a problem?
To put it another way and explain the logic for a moment, if I am proceeding along the road and a van pulls out from a junction on the right (turning to his left), but because of the length of his vehicle must pass into my lane to complete his manoeuvrer, then unless I respond by braking I'd impact, no? Same with a truck?
So the obligation would rest on the party pulling out of the junction to check both lanes of traffic are clear?
Now I understand the circumstances here are different being that you hadn't pulled out of the junction yet and therefore would not have caused an impact, but you may indeed have been blocking the other lane's right of way. Perhaps look for a different approach to solving the visibility challenge?
To those who say, it's a big vehicle, common problem, blah blah blah - if a vehicle doesn't suit a road then don't take the vehicle down that road. There's a reason articulated lorries don't go bandying about housing estates for fun.
The only lane I was affecting, was the traffic leaving the main road onto the side road. He should have been slowing anyway for that (although I accept stopping was not on his game plan). And he was not yet in view when I positioned myself. So I was there first. etc.No doubt that angry Passat man was not justified in his response, so there's no defending his mental issues on that side of things.
But OP, if the vehicle creates an obstruction into the road, then surely that's a problem?
To put it another way and explain the logic for a moment, if I am proceeding along the road and a van pulls out from a junction on the right (turning to his left), but because of the length of his vehicle must pass into my lane to complete his manoeuvrer, then unless I respond by braking I'd impact, no? Same with a truck?
So the obligation would rest on the party pulling out of the junction to check both lanes of traffic are clear?
Now I understand the circumstances here are different being that you hadn't pulled out of the junction yet and therefore would not have caused an impact, but you may indeed have been blocking the other lane's right of way. Perhaps look for a different approach to solving the visibility challenge?
To those who say, it's a big vehicle, common problem, blah blah blah - if a vehicle doesn't suit a road then don't take the vehicle down that road. There's a reason articulated lorries don't go bandying about housing estates for fun.
I was thinking about these incidents yesterday. OK so you made the guy angry, increased his bloody pressure. And he has allowed this to occur, rather than holding back for a second letting your turn and getting on with his day. Yet unless he gets out his van and thumps you the only satisfaction that he has is that you have made him angry, and he feels justified in his anger. He has inflicted his anger on himself.
This anger seems pointless and shows that these people are weak and let themselves be affected by your possible temporary blocking of his side of the road, and shows a lack of the acceptance that other people can also use the road as they see fit.
I think the important thing is that you do not let this change your driving standards, apart from improving them.
I would be interested in a clinical psychologists view on such things, as these are just my ramblings.
This anger seems pointless and shows that these people are weak and let themselves be affected by your possible temporary blocking of his side of the road, and shows a lack of the acceptance that other people can also use the road as they see fit.
I think the important thing is that you do not let this change your driving standards, apart from improving them.
I would be interested in a clinical psychologists view on such things, as these are just my ramblings.
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