RE: Maserati Quattroporte (M139) | The Brave Pill

RE: Maserati Quattroporte (M139) | The Brave Pill

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bloomen

6,893 posts

159 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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There's a whole generation or two of cars cursed with the attempts to deviate from the standard auto. I guess it's licked now but it's a huge shame so many will be lumbered with systems that are an absolute turn off and liability. I'd never want one of these kludges.

C.MW

473 posts

69 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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heisthegaffer said:
7 owners???!!!
That is quite common for this type of cars especially considering its age. I would not worry much about it if there are signs the car is properly taken care of.

C.MW

473 posts

69 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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If last week's brave pill featuring the Lexus ISF was in fact a peace of mind pill, now this is a suicide pill ;-) No doubt a very exciting car to drive but to own it is a completely different story.

Edited by C.MW on Saturday 22 February 11:47

big_rob_sydney

3,402 posts

194 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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A bit like a male funnel web in mating season; plenty of reasons why you would, but then you're just waiting for the inevitable to eventually do you in...

Still, she's a siren of sorts.

Osinjak

5,453 posts

121 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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Turbobanana said:
Years ago, as a Peugeot salesman, I got a call from one of our other branches to say there was a scruffy looking gentleman doing the rounds, winding all the sales guys up by pretending to be a customer.
Sure enough, the next day a chap arrived on the forecourt looking like a cross between Charlie Chaplin and Sir Les Patterson and smelling quite unsavoury. I was young, so figured I would be nice and see what he had to say.
He handed me a carrier bag full of £20 pound notes, pointed to a 405 Estate and said, in a cultured voice, "I'd like that one - here's the cash".
Moral: don't judge by appearances. "Those 2" might be customers.

Arese1973

51 posts

86 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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Bankruptcy with leather seats! Gonads like space hoppers for this one.

Blib

44,053 posts

197 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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Both my 2005, 4200 and my 2006 QP were great cars fatally let down by their duo-select boxes.

The 4200 clutch gave up the ghost on the Brent Cross flyover during Friday evening rush hour. (I made the traffic news with that).

That I traded it in and replaced it with the equally flawed QP says a lot about me that I'd rather not explore.

Mikebentley

6,105 posts

140 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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Blib in actual picture he took shocker!

Blib

44,053 posts

197 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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Mikebentley said:
Blib in actual picture he took shocker!
Banne.......sod it! Wrong thread. curse

sideways man

1,315 posts

137 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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Really like these! Good looking and a fab engine. I’ve not idea how reliable they might be, I’m suspecting not very. A perfect pill.

Plate spinner

17,696 posts

200 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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Raygun said:
Plate spinner said:
and the 4200 I went in a few years ago was flakey to say the least..
Yeah, it's only got one of them old Ferrari engines in it.
Yes, I am aware of that.

ducnick

1,783 posts

243 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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Blib said:
Both my 2005, 4200 and my 2006 QP were great cars fatally let down by their duo-select boxes.

The 4200 clutch gave up the ghost on the Brent Cross flyover during Friday evening rush hour. (I made the traffic news with that).

That I traded it in and replaced it with the equally flawed QP says a lot about me that I'd rather not explore.
You Sir are a man of taste. Maserati of this era came in two good colours and you chose one of them. In standard un blinded form the early qp5 was a thing of beauty when specified correctly.
Sadly I was never a huge fan of the engine/gearbox combo as it really didn’t suit this kind of car. It needed something like a zf 8 speed auto and a coyote or amg 6.2

Blib

44,053 posts

197 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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It is a terrific colour (the name escapes me after all these years).

TBH, I was looking for a light interior as I cant be doing with a black cabin, if I can help it. That ruled out many of the cars available at the time. There was a black car and there was this.



No contest.

If I could find an '06, or later auto box car with that colour combination I'd be sorely tempted.

Edited by Blib on Saturday 22 February 16:42

Jamescrs

4,479 posts

65 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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Turbobanana said:
Years ago, as a Peugeot salesman, I got a call from one of our other branches to say there was a scruffy looking gentleman doing the rounds, winding all the sales guys up by pretending to be a customer.
Sure enough, the next day a chap arrived on the forecourt looking like a cross between Charlie Chaplin and Sir Les Patterson and smelling quite unsavoury. I was young, so figured I would be nice and see what he had to say.
He handed me a carrier bag full of £20 pound notes, pointed to a 405 Estate and said, in a cultured voice, "I'd like that one - here's the cash".
Moral: don't judge by appearances. "Those 2" might be customers.
I get that from car sales people now, if I nip into a garage while out at work or after work when I wear a suit they all want to talk.

If I go on a Sunday morning in a hoody and a pair of well worn jeans no one wants to know as a rule. I've walked away from purchasing perfectly good cars because of sales people's attitudes before and bought other cars where someone has taken the time to talk to me.

big_rob_sydney

3,402 posts

194 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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Jamescrs said:
I get that from car sales people now, if I nip into a garage while out at work or after work when I wear a suit they all want to talk.

If I go on a Sunday morning in a hoody and a pair of well worn jeans no one wants to know as a rule. I've walked away from purchasing perfectly good cars because of sales people's attitudes before and bought other cars where someone has taken the time to talk to me.
Amazing. Snoberry and reverse snobbery, all in one...

Osinjak

5,453 posts

121 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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big_rob_sydney said:
Amazing. Snoberry and reverse snobbery, all in one...
Bizarre, isn't it? If you want to buy a car, buy a car. Don't just piss about waiting for someone to fawn all over you, just fecking get on with it.

PAUL500

2,634 posts

246 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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It is a very electronically integrated car, based on the same Bosch systems that were also in Ferrari and VAG cars of the period.

Clever little system and whenever anything fails then the internal diagnostics will pinpoint the fault, the problem is that Maserati have not released the software to allow everyday garages to be able to read this info.

Maserati also no longer want to work on these older cars, so its a catch 22. Once out of warranty then later owners either simply ignore the pre warning signs, or when these then turn into a failure they hope an independent can guess the issue, resulting in hefty bills when such play the game of swapping out parts in the hope of stumbling on the cause.

Not enough made for a specialist to now concentrate on them either.

The engine is a strong unit, a slight variation of which was also used in the F430 and F458. Only known typical fault is the cam variator which drains its oil and gets clanky at start up, there is a straight forward factory fix though for the affected cars.

This engine ticks all the tech boxes, all alloy, 4 valve heads, variable cam timing, forged crank,rods and pistons, dry sump etc, and with a cross plane crank its sounds like an American V8 rather than the Ferrari version which has a flat plan crank for a more F1 type high revving sound.

Duo select is not an auto box, its an automated manual, much like that used in the F355/360 etc, Maserati swapped this out in 2007 for a full Borg Warner traditional auto as owners of barges like these want a wafting box rather than a sport box that needs driver input.

If you have the skills to fix cars and immerse yourself in the workings of this particular model its quite a 2 ton beast with plenty of used parts out there, otherwise its a money pit. £8k car with £80k car maintenance costs if you rely on main dealers for fixes.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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C.MW said:
heisthegaffer said:
7 owners???!!!
That is quite common for this type of cars especially considering its age. I would not worry much about it if there are signs the car is properly taken care of.
Yes, you'll find as the price lowered over time, new owners buy in and then get surprised by the servicing/parts/tyres/fuel/insurance costs and sell it on.

Check the service history and what tyres it's on.

Plate spinner

17,696 posts

200 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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Osinjak said:
Bizarre, isn't it? If you want to buy a car, buy a car. Don't just piss about waiting for someone to fawn all over you, just fecking get on with it.
Agreed.
“Hi, I’m Dave, I’m interested in this car, please tell me... etc”. They’ll jump on you.

Never understood people who just walk around silently looking, don’t get spoken to yet don’t ask for assistance and then leave in huff despite there being a mutually beneficial sale on the cards.
The mindset behind it intrigues me.

Amussis

1 posts

50 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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voicey said:
I suggest that anyone considering such a purchase carefully reads this thread: https://www.sportsmaserati.com/index.php?threads/q...

Maserati of this era are cursed by rot
You beat me too it. I only registered to post this warning. Once fixed, best car in the world.........