RE: Honda Accord Euro R (CL7) | Spotted
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sheepman said:
chelme said:
I second this. If it was 5k, yes, I'd get it. With so many miles on the clock....
74k is extremely low mileage on a K20! strong price regardless, these sell for a few grand less. Often see people mention the price of the Accord yeh wouldn’t bat an eyelid to pay similar price for a DC5 Integra. Essentially you’re getting all the Teg running gear in a practical family saloon.
NewUsername said:
Id imagine an STT220 would be a faster, better handling more liveable car any day of the week
There you go. And that's the older heavier type r accordhttps://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/l5mipt6bl0s2
walton1231 said:
NewUsername said:
Id imagine an STT220 would be a faster, better handling more liveable car any day of the week
There you go. And that's the older heavier type r accordhttps://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/l5mipt6bl0s2
1) Wrong car, ST220 is significantly better than ST200
2) WTF has lap time got to do with a liveable fast road car?!
NewUsername said:
Try harder
1) Wrong car, ST220 is significantly better than ST200
2) WTF has lap time got to do with a liveable fast road car?!
I wouldn't say significantly better, and what is your interpretation of a fast road car? I found the atr perfectly liveable day to day 95% of the time, although not good at all with more than 3 people in I'll admit. Also wondering how you would think the Mondeo would be better handling? I'd reckon the atr would be much more capable on the b roads or track.1) Wrong car, ST220 is significantly better than ST200
2) WTF has lap time got to do with a liveable fast road car?!
Edited by walton1231 on Monday 24th February 22:51
walton1231 said:
NewUsername said:
Try harder
1) Wrong car, ST220 is significantly better than ST200
2) WTF has lap time got to do with a liveable fast road car?!
I wouldn't say significantly better, and what is your interpretation of a fast road car? I found the atr perfectly liveable day to day 95% of the time, although not good at all with more than 3 people in I'll admit. Also wondering how you would think the Mondeo would be better handling? I'd reckon the atr would be much more capable on the b roads or track.1) Wrong car, ST220 is significantly better than ST200
2) WTF has lap time got to do with a liveable fast road car?!
Edited by walton1231 on Monday 24th February 22:51
This thread must be full of people who have never driven or even had a passenger ride in a Euro R.
I honestly cannot understand why people think they should only be worth £3k when then engine and gearbox are worth that, then comparing a Euro R to a ffin Mondeo or 330i. Neither of those cars come close to the thrills that a Euro R offers.
The 220hp from a k20, combined with low/close ratio gearbox, with a lsd, steered via hydraulic pas, hooked up to a decent chassis is so much fun and it gives so much confidence.
Yes you're getting close to Evo/Sti money but the running costs an potential bork factor on those are next level, a Euro R is barely any more expensive to run than a bog standard Accord and doesn't look like they will get any cheaper if you want one already in the UK.
I honestly cannot understand why people think they should only be worth £3k when then engine and gearbox are worth that, then comparing a Euro R to a ffin Mondeo or 330i. Neither of those cars come close to the thrills that a Euro R offers.
The 220hp from a k20, combined with low/close ratio gearbox, with a lsd, steered via hydraulic pas, hooked up to a decent chassis is so much fun and it gives so much confidence.
Yes you're getting close to Evo/Sti money but the running costs an potential bork factor on those are next level, a Euro R is barely any more expensive to run than a bog standard Accord and doesn't look like they will get any cheaper if you want one already in the UK.
Mikee19 said:
The handling on the CL7 is much better than the DC5 Integra according to Mr Spoon. They have a similar suspension set up as the DC2 if I remember rightly.
CL7 has double wishbone suspension front and back, and yes Mr Spoon as well as several other racing teams believe the Accord was a better base from a handling point of view. Not necessary out the box but with some choice mods.aka_kerrly said:
This thread must be full of people who have never driven or even had a passenger ride in a Euro R.
I honestly cannot understand why people think they should only be worth £3k when then engine and gearbox are worth that, then comparing a Euro R to a ffin Mondeo or 330i. Neither of those cars come close to the thrills that a Euro R offers.
The 220hp from a k20, combined with low/close ratio gearbox, with a lsd, steered via hydraulic pas, hooked up to a decent chassis is so much fun and it gives so much confidence.
Yes you're getting close to Evo/Sti money but the running costs an potential bork factor on those are next level, a Euro R is barely any more expensive to run than a bog standard Accord and doesn't look like they will get any cheaper if you want one already in the UK.
I think most people on here just look at it as an old Accord without any real understanding of what it is, the spec or the market.I honestly cannot understand why people think they should only be worth £3k when then engine and gearbox are worth that, then comparing a Euro R to a ffin Mondeo or 330i. Neither of those cars come close to the thrills that a Euro R offers.
The 220hp from a k20, combined with low/close ratio gearbox, with a lsd, steered via hydraulic pas, hooked up to a decent chassis is so much fun and it gives so much confidence.
Yes you're getting close to Evo/Sti money but the running costs an potential bork factor on those are next level, a Euro R is barely any more expensive to run than a bog standard Accord and doesn't look like they will get any cheaper if you want one already in the UK.
I was going to go for one or a FD2. But I needed estate practicality so went for a Forester STI. Another car that people on here would buy if it was £2k. Probably.
I like these, good engine in them. They are more expensive (over here) than people expect for their age but as with all Japanese imports, you have to pay to get them shipped over here and then you get stung with import tax and VAT on top. In auction in Japan they go for £2k upwards depending on condition and mileage.
I personally however prefer the looks of the previous generation CL1
I personally however prefer the looks of the previous generation CL1
Although I'm very much a German/VW guy, I absolutely love this shape Accord and to be honest, if it wasn't for the fact I have a cockapoo shaped object at home would quite happily run one of these. Had a 330i and it was brilliant (in the E91 M-Sport version) and would definitely have another. Had a Mondeo ST (albeit the ST TDCI) and while it was brilliant at the time, I'd be surprised if they've not mostly rattled themselves to death now the build quality being far, far, far below anything else I've owned since (or before - had a Civic before the Mondeo).
To be honest, even for 9 grand I'd be tempted...
To be honest, even for 9 grand I'd be tempted...
Kewy said:
^^^ This.
Often see people mention the price of the Accord yeh wouldn’t bat an eyelid to pay similar price for a DC5 Integra. Essentially you’re getting all the Teg running gear in a practical family saloon.
That is one way of looking at it. The other way is that you're getting the engine from a reasonably small car, but inside a much bigger, heavier one.Often see people mention the price of the Accord yeh wouldn’t bat an eyelid to pay similar price for a DC5 Integra. Essentially you’re getting all the Teg running gear in a practical family saloon.
walton1231 said:
I wouldn't say significantly better, and what is your interpretation of a fast road car? I found the atr perfectly liveable day to day 95% of the time, although not good at all with more than 3 people in I'll admit. Also wondering how you would think the Mondeo would be better handling? I'd reckon the atr would be much more capable on the b roads or track.
The ST220 was regarded as one of the best sports saloons around. I was once told by a Lotus chassis guy that the Mondeo was always their benchmark when working on sports saloon projects for other OEMs, Ultimately, the Accord may be as capable, or even more so but, with this type of car, it's often about the complete package, so about how good the car is at going to the shops, how big the boot is, how well equipped it is etc etc etc. A 330i/ST220 are nicer than the Hondas of the period I've been in in terms of all that stuff.Edited by walton1231 on Monday 24th February 22:51
aka_kerrly said:
This thread must be full of people who have never driven or even had a passenger ride in a Euro R.
I honestly cannot understand why people think they should only be worth £3k when then engine and gearbox are worth that, then comparing a Euro R to a ffin Mondeo or 330i. Neither of those cars come close to the thrills that a Euro R offers.
The 220hp from a k20, combined with low/close ratio gearbox, with a lsd, steered via hydraulic pas, hooked up to a decent chassis is so much fun and it gives so much confidence.
Yes you're getting close to Evo/Sti money but the running costs an potential bork factor on those are next level, a Euro R is barely any more expensive to run than a bog standard Accord and doesn't look like they will get any cheaper if you want one already in the UK.
The Accord might offer more thrills but, in the real world, the features you mention might actually become an annoyance for most people. A 330i, with it's lazier six-pot, longer gears and (probably) more squidgy interior is going to suit more people, more of the time.I honestly cannot understand why people think they should only be worth £3k when then engine and gearbox are worth that, then comparing a Euro R to a ffin Mondeo or 330i. Neither of those cars come close to the thrills that a Euro R offers.
The 220hp from a k20, combined with low/close ratio gearbox, with a lsd, steered via hydraulic pas, hooked up to a decent chassis is so much fun and it gives so much confidence.
Yes you're getting close to Evo/Sti money but the running costs an potential bork factor on those are next level, a Euro R is barely any more expensive to run than a bog standard Accord and doesn't look like they will get any cheaper if you want one already in the UK.
Like I said, it's an interesting car and probably quite a fun one, but it's a pretty niche thing in reality.
aka_kerrly said:
This thread must be full of people who have never driven or even had a passenger ride in a Euro R.
I honestly cannot understand why people think they should only be worth £3k when then engine and gearbox are worth that, then comparing a Euro R to a ffin Mondeo or 330i. Neither of those cars come close to the thrills that a Euro R offers.
Yeah but really who cared(s) . If I want thrills I wouldn't be buying a big saloon, and if I want a big saloon I want a big saloon with a big boot and a big torquey engine with decent handling that offers me accessible performance.I honestly cannot understand why people think they should only be worth £3k when then engine and gearbox are worth that, then comparing a Euro R to a ffin Mondeo or 330i. Neither of those cars come close to the thrills that a Euro R offers.
I don't want a hot hatch wearing a fat dress that you have to thrape the nuts off, its utterly boring after a few days.
If you want a weekend car for thrills there's probably a bit better than a chunky saloon on offer if i'm honest so that's why they never sold many, it may be brilliant but nobody in any great number would buy them because its a brilliant answer to a question literally nobody asked.
NewUsername said:
aka_kerrly said:
This thread must be full of people who have never driven or even had a passenger ride in a Euro R.
I honestly cannot understand why people think they should only be worth £3k when then engine and gearbox are worth that, then comparing a Euro R to a ffin Mondeo or 330i. Neither of those cars come close to the thrills that a Euro R offers.
Yeah but really who cared(s) . If I want thrills I wouldn't be buying a big saloon, and if I want a big saloon I want a big saloon with a big boot and a big torquey engine with decent handling that offers me accessible performance.I honestly cannot understand why people think they should only be worth £3k when then engine and gearbox are worth that, then comparing a Euro R to a ffin Mondeo or 330i. Neither of those cars come close to the thrills that a Euro R offers.
I don't want a hot hatch wearing a fat dress that you have to thrape the nuts off, its utterly boring after a few days.
If you want a weekend car for thrills there's probably a bit better than a chunky saloon on offer if i'm honest so that's why they never sold many, it may be brilliant but nobody in any great number would buy them because its a brilliant answer to a question literally nobody asked.
I quite like them - for me, it is a great family car for not a lot of money. If I didn't need the practicality of an estate I would very probably have one. I need to be able to sometimes get my thrills with the family on board...
NewUsername said:
aka_kerrly said:
This thread must be full of people who have never driven or even had a passenger ride in a Euro R.
I honestly cannot understand why people think they should only be worth £3k when then engine and gearbox are worth that, then comparing a Euro R to a ffin Mondeo or 330i. Neither of those cars come close to the thrills that a Euro R offers.
Yeah but really who cared(s) . If I want thrills I wouldn't be buying a big saloon, and if I want a big saloon I want a big saloon with a big boot and a big torquey engine with decent handling that offers me accessible performance.I honestly cannot understand why people think they should only be worth £3k when then engine and gearbox are worth that, then comparing a Euro R to a ffin Mondeo or 330i. Neither of those cars come close to the thrills that a Euro R offers.
I don't want a hot hatch wearing a fat dress that you have to thrape the nuts off, its utterly boring after a few days.
If you want a weekend car for thrills there's probably a bit better than a chunky saloon on offer if i'm honest so that's why they never sold many, it may be brilliant but nobody in any great number would buy them because its a brilliant answer to a question literally nobody asked.
1) reason there are not many Euro Rs in the UK is because they were never officially sold, hence each one is a import.
2) part of the reason Honda didn't bring the Euro R to the UK, the same reason the UK ep3 Civic doesn't have a slip diff not such close gears is because a lot of UK drivers (you could be one) dont appear to want to enjoy driving or never consider going near a racing track.
3) for some people they can only have one car, so one car that allows you to go off to your favourite road and spank the hell out of it then go and collect the wife and kids for a calm pleasant drive home makes A LOT of sense.
Edited by aka_kerrly on Tuesday 25th February 12:50
You also need to realise the condition of these cars on import. I would put my 16 year old euro r up against any 5 year old UK daily. It is immaculate and I'm talking underneath aswell. 2003 and it has keyless entry keyless start. Hid lights dual zone climate control. Great cars. Definitely superior to a Mondeo or most 330s ![](https://thumbsnap.com/sc/A4OlRwYO.jpg[/img]</a> <a href="https://thumbsnap.com/dJNTWsMB" Target="_blank" rel="nofollow">[img]https://thumbsnap.com/sc/dJNTWsMB.jpg)
That's 16 year old with 80k on the clock and no underseal
That's 16 year old with 80k on the clock and no underseal
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