RE: Honda Accord Euro R (CL7) | Spotted
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I wouldnt say this is too underrated, it is well known and quite common now in the honda scene, rarity is on its side on the roads as you wouldn't catch one on your daily travels, but that is to say with any normal Honda Accord half of the time. I never really understood the Euro-R thing either, and we had a Type-S version of this generation and it was lovely but a bit boring.
I would say the CH1 Accord Type-R from 1998-2003 is underrated, made in the UK but so few exist, yes it is not perfect and has MANY faults and with age now, it rusts as soon as water lands on it but as a package, you are better off in an ATR with alot of money left in your pocket.
I would say the CH1 Accord Type-R from 1998-2003 is underrated, made in the UK but so few exist, yes it is not perfect and has MANY faults and with age now, it rusts as soon as water lands on it but as a package, you are better off in an ATR with alot of money left in your pocket.
aka_kerrly said:
This thread must be full of people who have never driven or even had a passenger ride in a Euro R.
I honestly cannot understand why people think they should only be worth £3k when then engine and gearbox are worth that, then comparing a Euro R to a ffin Mondeo or 330i. Neither of those cars come close to the thrills that a Euro R offers.
The 220hp from a k20, combined with low/close ratio gearbox, with a lsd, steered via hydraulic pas, hooked up to a decent chassis is so much fun and it gives so much confidence.
Yes you're getting close to Evo/Sti money but the running costs an potential bork factor on those are next level, a Euro R is barely any more expensive to run than a bog standard Accord and doesn't look like they will get any cheaper if you want one already in the UK.
My answer was what the car was worth to me, it may well be worth £9 grand to somebody but that somebody isn’t me, I have driven one thanks my m8 used to have one now he has the latest type r civic I honestly cannot understand why people think they should only be worth £3k when then engine and gearbox are worth that, then comparing a Euro R to a ffin Mondeo or 330i. Neither of those cars come close to the thrills that a Euro R offers.
The 220hp from a k20, combined with low/close ratio gearbox, with a lsd, steered via hydraulic pas, hooked up to a decent chassis is so much fun and it gives so much confidence.
Yes you're getting close to Evo/Sti money but the running costs an potential bork factor on those are next level, a Euro R is barely any more expensive to run than a bog standard Accord and doesn't look like they will get any cheaper if you want one already in the UK.
I wouldn’t mind owning a sapphire cosworth but there is no way on earth I would pay £20 grand for one so I will never buy one as to me I couldn’t pay more than £5 grand for one that’s the figure that I would personally throw down, what anybody else thinks there worth is irrelevant to how much I would like to pay tbh it’s seems people forget that a price tag in the window
Is the be all and end all of a cars value it’s only worth
What you want to pay if you want one and are willing to pay £9 grand fill your boots, there are lots of cars currently for sale with huge price tags and most of them have been for sale for years because there is a very small market for people that want to pay loads of money for a modern classic, nobody said it was a s
t car but at the end of the day it’s not a car I find particularly special or nostalgic about to want to waste loads of money on so has little appeal to me I’d rather pay that out on an old rover sd1 vitesse and I’m sure like me you wouldn’t pay more than £5 quid for one as it has little appeal to you, I spent a few grand on a old mk2 cavalier a few years ago to most it’s worth £200 quid but I’m 45 and post 2000 hondas hold little appeal to me that’s just how it is different strokes for different folks aka_kerrly said:
what are you on about?
1) reason there are not many Euro Rs in the UK is because they were never officially sold, hence each one is a import.
2) part of the reason Honda didn't bring the Euro R to the UK, the same reason the UK ep3 Civic doesn't have a slip diff not such close gears is because a lot of UK drivers (you could be one) dont appear to want to enjoy driving or never consider going near a racing track.
3) for some people they can only have one car, so one car that allows you to go off to your favourite road and spank the hell out of it then go and collect the wife and kids for a calm pleasant drive home makes A LOT of sense.
1) The reason the market was not flooded with them was simply because the market was limited ( ie nobody wanted them) If it was otherwise and they'd have outsold Ford and BMW then Honda WOULD have made more and imported them and made the profit.1) reason there are not many Euro Rs in the UK is because they were never officially sold, hence each one is a import.
2) part of the reason Honda didn't bring the Euro R to the UK, the same reason the UK ep3 Civic doesn't have a slip diff not such close gears is because a lot of UK drivers (you could be one) dont appear to want to enjoy driving or never consider going near a racing track.
3) for some people they can only have one car, so one car that allows you to go off to your favourite road and spank the hell out of it then go and collect the wife and kids for a calm pleasant drive home makes A LOT of sense.
Edited by aka_kerrly on Tuesday 25th February 12:50
2) If I want to 'enjoy driving' or 'consider going near a track' there are way way way better/more fun cars to do it in than a fat saloon car with a high revving food mixer under the bonnet ( superb engine, in the right car)
3) Whatever floats your boat....i prefer torque in a big car as above, zero appeal in thraping a big saloon to find the (average) performance, fun in a smaller hatch not a bigger car. As is proven by the total lack of market demand. If you think this car is the answer to 'What was the best contemporary saloon car'? you're dead wrong, if there was demand, they would have been made/sold etc
This is a marmite car, some will love it, others not so much as witnessed by the comments in this thread.
I for one own one of these and obviously it ticks a fair few boxes for me. My primary motives for buying a Euro R are as follows:-
1) Something under the radar and relatively rare. This is just an 'old Accord'. Alot of folk wouldn't give it a second glance based on age/appearance/badge.
2) An opportunity to buy one of the best NA engines (as this does produce a 110 bhp p/litre) with a great gear change as the world moves/moved to turbos and EVs accompanied by autos. Call me old fashioned but I'm a sucker for the razor sharp throttle response and noise when on cam.
3) A real day to day car- this is my daily, it is comfortable on the motorways and capable of being great on B roads with the VTEC on song being hurled around country roads thanks to the capable chassis and the LSD. Also reliability is paramount and touch wood, nothing has gone wrong in the 7 months of ownership.
I've had a CH1 Accord Type R in the past and have very fond memories, however they are nigh on impossible to buy in anywhere as good as condition as referred by a previous post.
I've also had a 2.4 Type S, they are more of a day to day comfort car, they only had a narrow full blown VTEC window, if memory serves 1200 rpm, and they understeered a great deal more whereas this is much more 'pointy'.
These cars generally speaking as are alot of JDM imports in good condition given their age. Mine being 16 years old of a similar mileage as the car in the initial post has no squeaks or rattles!
The big thing that lets them down as standard in my opinion are the brakes, they're fine day to day but are not good enough on a track day. And yes for the money they aren't the fastest cars.
In essence I feel these make sense to possibly the older Honda guard who appreciate the old school naturally aspirated VTECs and Type Rs before the modern day turbos. In my opinion older performance Hondas were about the interaction between vehicle and driver, not outright brute force or bragging rights but simply driving pleasure such as the EK9s and DC2s, CH1 Type Rs.
I for one own one of these and obviously it ticks a fair few boxes for me. My primary motives for buying a Euro R are as follows:-
1) Something under the radar and relatively rare. This is just an 'old Accord'. Alot of folk wouldn't give it a second glance based on age/appearance/badge.
2) An opportunity to buy one of the best NA engines (as this does produce a 110 bhp p/litre) with a great gear change as the world moves/moved to turbos and EVs accompanied by autos. Call me old fashioned but I'm a sucker for the razor sharp throttle response and noise when on cam.
3) A real day to day car- this is my daily, it is comfortable on the motorways and capable of being great on B roads with the VTEC on song being hurled around country roads thanks to the capable chassis and the LSD. Also reliability is paramount and touch wood, nothing has gone wrong in the 7 months of ownership.
I've had a CH1 Accord Type R in the past and have very fond memories, however they are nigh on impossible to buy in anywhere as good as condition as referred by a previous post.
I've also had a 2.4 Type S, they are more of a day to day comfort car, they only had a narrow full blown VTEC window, if memory serves 1200 rpm, and they understeered a great deal more whereas this is much more 'pointy'.
These cars generally speaking as are alot of JDM imports in good condition given their age. Mine being 16 years old of a similar mileage as the car in the initial post has no squeaks or rattles!
The big thing that lets them down as standard in my opinion are the brakes, they're fine day to day but are not good enough on a track day. And yes for the money they aren't the fastest cars.
In essence I feel these make sense to possibly the older Honda guard who appreciate the old school naturally aspirated VTECs and Type Rs before the modern day turbos. In my opinion older performance Hondas were about the interaction between vehicle and driver, not outright brute force or bragging rights but simply driving pleasure such as the EK9s and DC2s, CH1 Type Rs.
Reciprocating mass said:
My answer was what the car was worth to me, it may well be worth £9 grand to somebody but that somebody isn’t me, I have driven one thanks my m8 used to have one now he has the latest type r civic
Would that mate be Andrew by any chance?If so, then he sold the Euro R, bought the FK8 and now he has another Euro R on order because he regrets selling it, and plans to sell the FK8 within the year because he’s ‘had his fun with it’.
Anyway, I don’t wish to get into any arguments because ultimately car taste is subjective. But to people judging this car without even seeing one on the road, I honestly think you’d be mistaken.
I don’t really need to convince anyone because I’ve owned one for 3 years and have experienced it myself. I bought a CL7 because a friend of mine had a DC5 which I drove several times and loved, but with a growing family it wasn’t suitable for me – the CL7 answered that problem perfectly, as I couldn’t afford two cars at the time, so I had a practical, fun weekend car, that would also the perfect daily.
There actually isn’t much in it between the Teg and the Euro R, handling wise out the box the Teg has a bit more grip but not really any difference in a straight line. The Accord as a different inlet manifold which gives it a bit more low down grunt and counters the extra weight.
During my ownership I’ve done weekends in Wales and Cornwall B road thrashing with the family, track days and a 3000 mile road trip to the Alps and the Dolomites. That trip is where the Accord really came in to its own, comfortable cruising on the 11 hour journey down there, 150mph+ runs on the Auto Bahns and then when you reach the mountains you have a high revving, responsive, LSD equipped, mountain pass eater with an appetite for hairpins and chicanes. Oh and then I drove it all the way home and took it round Combe the following week.
There really aren’t many cars that are as versatile.
A very cool car to those in the know.
Not sure why (other than age and category) it's being compared to the ST220 and the 330i - both are a fair bit softer and, at this age, both (ST220 especially) are likely to be needing a fair bit of TLC...the Ford V6 is probably OK, really not sure about the rest of the package, while an N52'd 330i is probably a safe enough bet but I'd be nervous about an N53. CL7, on the other hand, was built back when Honda really knew how to engineer cars and put them together properly.
Is it worth the money? Hell, someone's asking £16k for a Rover Coupe (and the less said about Ford and Peugeot homologation specials the better), so it's silly season out there. I'd also suggest rarity value adds something anyway.
I did toy with one of these before getting the FD2, but (a) none were for sale; and (b) I knew I'd regret not going full retard and getting the ultimate JDM fanboy-magnet Civic.
Not sure why (other than age and category) it's being compared to the ST220 and the 330i - both are a fair bit softer and, at this age, both (ST220 especially) are likely to be needing a fair bit of TLC...the Ford V6 is probably OK, really not sure about the rest of the package, while an N52'd 330i is probably a safe enough bet but I'd be nervous about an N53. CL7, on the other hand, was built back when Honda really knew how to engineer cars and put them together properly.
Is it worth the money? Hell, someone's asking £16k for a Rover Coupe (and the less said about Ford and Peugeot homologation specials the better), so it's silly season out there. I'd also suggest rarity value adds something anyway.
I did toy with one of these before getting the FD2, but (a) none were for sale; and (b) I knew I'd regret not going full retard and getting the ultimate JDM fanboy-magnet Civic.
Kewy said:
Would that mate be Andrew by any chance?
If so, then he sold the Euro R, bought the FK8 and now he has another Euro R on order because he regrets selling it, and plans to sell the FK8 within the year because he’s ‘had his fun with it’.
Anyway, I don’t wish to get into any arguments because ultimately car taste is subjective. But to people judging this car without even seeing one on the road, I honestly think you’d be mistaken.
I don’t really need to convince anyone because I’ve owned one for 3 years and have experienced it myself. I bought a CL7 because a friend of mine had a DC5 which I drove several times and loved, but with a growing family it wasn’t suitable for me – the CL7 answered that problem perfectly, as I couldn’t afford two cars at the time, so I had a practical, fun weekend car, that would also the perfect daily.
There actually isn’t much in it between the Teg and the Euro R, handling wise out the box the Teg has a bit more grip but not really any difference in a straight line. The Accord as a different inlet manifold which gives it a bit more low down grunt and counters the extra weight.
During my ownership I’ve done weekends in Wales and Cornwall B road thrashing with the family, track days and a 3000 mile road trip to the Alps and the Dolomites. That trip is where the Accord really came in to its own, comfortable cruising on the 11 hour journey down there, 150mph+ runs on the Auto Bahns and then when you reach the mountains you have a high revving, responsive, LSD equipped, mountain pass eater with an appetite for hairpins and chicanes. Oh and then I drove it all the way home and took it round Combe the following week.
There really aren’t many cars that are as versatile.
No not Andrew my friend has a collection of original crxIf so, then he sold the Euro R, bought the FK8 and now he has another Euro R on order because he regrets selling it, and plans to sell the FK8 within the year because he’s ‘had his fun with it’.
Anyway, I don’t wish to get into any arguments because ultimately car taste is subjective. But to people judging this car without even seeing one on the road, I honestly think you’d be mistaken.
I don’t really need to convince anyone because I’ve owned one for 3 years and have experienced it myself. I bought a CL7 because a friend of mine had a DC5 which I drove several times and loved, but with a growing family it wasn’t suitable for me – the CL7 answered that problem perfectly, as I couldn’t afford two cars at the time, so I had a practical, fun weekend car, that would also the perfect daily.
There actually isn’t much in it between the Teg and the Euro R, handling wise out the box the Teg has a bit more grip but not really any difference in a straight line. The Accord as a different inlet manifold which gives it a bit more low down grunt and counters the extra weight.
During my ownership I’ve done weekends in Wales and Cornwall B road thrashing with the family, track days and a 3000 mile road trip to the Alps and the Dolomites. That trip is where the Accord really came in to its own, comfortable cruising on the 11 hour journey down there, 150mph+ runs on the Auto Bahns and then when you reach the mountains you have a high revving, responsive, LSD equipped, mountain pass eater with an appetite for hairpins and chicanes. Oh and then I drove it all the way home and took it round Combe the following week.
There really aren’t many cars that are as versatile.
He has about 8 in various states and about 5 very early civics like the one that Hightower rips the front seat out
In police academy lol also has a few Subaru mv pick ups, from Time to time he picks up the odd newer car to play with his daily is a 2018 type r
aka_kerrly said:
what are you on about?
1) reason there are not many Euro Rs in the UK is because they were never officially sold, hence each one is a import.
2) part of the reason Honda didn't bring the Euro R to the UK, the same reason the UK ep3 Civic doesn't have a slip diff not such close gears is because a lot of UK drivers (you could be one) dont appear to want to enjoy driving or never consider going near a racing track.
3) for some people they can only have one car, so one car that allows you to go off to your favourite road and spank the hell out of it then go and collect the wife and kids for a calm pleasant drive home makes A LOT of sense.
Don't one and two kind of answer themselves? If there was demand for the Euro R, more would be imported, or Honda would have brought them to the UK. It's a niche car that doesn't meet the tastes of most buyers in Europe. There's nothing wrong with it, it's just not for most people.1) reason there are not many Euro Rs in the UK is because they were never officially sold, hence each one is a import.
2) part of the reason Honda didn't bring the Euro R to the UK, the same reason the UK ep3 Civic doesn't have a slip diff not such close gears is because a lot of UK drivers (you could be one) dont appear to want to enjoy driving or never consider going near a racing track.
3) for some people they can only have one car, so one car that allows you to go off to your favourite road and spank the hell out of it then go and collect the wife and kids for a calm pleasant drive home makes A LOT of sense.
Edited by aka_kerrly on Tuesday 25th February 12:50
havoc said:
A very cool car to those in the know.
Not sure why (other than age and category) it's being compared to the ST220 and the 330i - both are a fair bit softer and, at this age, both (ST220 especially) are likely to be needing a fair bit of TLC...the Ford V6 is probably OK, really not sure about the rest of the package, while an N52'd 330i is probably a safe enough bet but I'd be nervous about an N53. CL7, on the other hand, was built back when Honda really knew how to engineer cars and put them together properly.
Is it worth the money? Hell, someone's asking £16k for a Rover Coupe (and the less said about Ford and Peugeot homologation specials the better), so it's silly season out there. I'd also suggest rarity value adds something anyway.
I did toy with one of these before getting the FD2, but (a) none were for sale; and (b) I knew I'd regret not going full retard and getting the ultimate JDM fanboy-magnet Civic.
Surely it's being compared to those cars because they are sports saloons from a similar era? Comparisons are inevitable. A car is only as good as its maintenance history, so you will get good ST220s, bad Euro Rs and vice versa.Not sure why (other than age and category) it's being compared to the ST220 and the 330i - both are a fair bit softer and, at this age, both (ST220 especially) are likely to be needing a fair bit of TLC...the Ford V6 is probably OK, really not sure about the rest of the package, while an N52'd 330i is probably a safe enough bet but I'd be nervous about an N53. CL7, on the other hand, was built back when Honda really knew how to engineer cars and put them together properly.
Is it worth the money? Hell, someone's asking £16k for a Rover Coupe (and the less said about Ford and Peugeot homologation specials the better), so it's silly season out there. I'd also suggest rarity value adds something anyway.
I did toy with one of these before getting the FD2, but (a) none were for sale; and (b) I knew I'd regret not going full retard and getting the ultimate JDM fanboy-magnet Civic.
Some people on this thread seem to be getting a bit defensive, but we're all different. Like I said, it's an interesting car, but one of limited appeal to the masses. Doesn't mean it's bad.
Jon_S_Rally said:
A car is only as good as its maintenance history, so you will get good ST220s, bad Euro Rs and vice versa.
True...to a degree......but there's an inherent reliability to components for certain brands (usually Jap, certainly not Ford, not always German) which mean that you can make fairly reliable generalisations about what may / may not need TLC or replacing pretty soon. Hondas, Toyotas (esp. Lexus), Mazdas plus old Volvos and old Mercs have their reputations for a reason...
e.g. on that CL7 I'd wager the aircon and the calipers might need attention, as might rusty sills. Beyond that as long as it's been serviced properly it'll likely be OK for some time.
vs a c.15y.o. Mk2 Mondeo? You could list a dozen significant components that'll probably need attention or already have had it and there'll probably be another dozen waiting in the wings...
Anyway, as you say, people prefer different things.
Just out of interest, can any of the haters of this vehicle tell me a decent n/a 2.0 4 cylinder saloon car out there that can perform to a decent standard on road and track straight out of the box? Also for those who enjoy a more technical view on the cl7s capability here's the man himself ichishima discussing why spoon opted for the cl7 base over the dc5. Good read
http://asia.vtec.net/article/Spoon2/
http://asia.vtec.net/article/Spoon2/
Just out of interest. For the guys out there who aren't keen or don't see the appeal of this car, can they tell me if there is any n/a 2.0 4 cylinder saloon cars out there that they like that can perform on road and track straight out of the box to the level of the cl7 euro r? Also for anyone interested in the dc5 being lighter comparison here's an interesting read why spoons ichishima chose the cl7 over the dc5 for their race bases.
http://asia.vtec.net/article/Spoon2/
Nice pic imo
http://asia.vtec.net/article/Spoon2/
Nice pic imo
havoc said:
True...to a degree...
...but there's an inherent reliability to components for certain brands (usually Jap, certainly not Ford, not always German) which mean that you can make fairly reliable generalisations about what may / may not need TLC or replacing pretty soon. Hondas, Toyotas (esp. Lexus), Mazdas plus old Volvos and old Mercs have their reputations for a reason...
e.g. on that CL7 I'd wager the aircon and the calipers might need attention, as might rusty sills. Beyond that as long as it's been serviced properly it'll likely be OK for some time.
vs a c.15y.o. Mk2 Mondeo? You could list a dozen significant components that'll probably need attention or already have had it and there'll probably be another dozen waiting in the wings...
Anyway, as you say, people prefer different things.
As mentioned above, I had a Mondeo ST TDCI which I sold about 8 years ago now. It was a brilliant, brilliant car - a favourite of mine looking back through my car history but when I got rid it was falling to pieces. The build quality just simply was nowhere near as good as other brands. Definitely light years behind the similar aged Octavia VRS I replaced it with which in turn was even further behind the similar aged BMW I replaced that with. ...but there's an inherent reliability to components for certain brands (usually Jap, certainly not Ford, not always German) which mean that you can make fairly reliable generalisations about what may / may not need TLC or replacing pretty soon. Hondas, Toyotas (esp. Lexus), Mazdas plus old Volvos and old Mercs have their reputations for a reason...
e.g. on that CL7 I'd wager the aircon and the calipers might need attention, as might rusty sills. Beyond that as long as it's been serviced properly it'll likely be OK for some time.
vs a c.15y.o. Mk2 Mondeo? You could list a dozen significant components that'll probably need attention or already have had it and there'll probably be another dozen waiting in the wings...
Anyway, as you say, people prefer different things.
waltonoftsukuba said:
Just out of interest. For the guys out there who aren't keen or don't see the appeal of this car, can they tell me if there is any n/a 2.0 4 cylinder saloon cars out there that they like that can perform on road and track straight out of the box to the level of the cl7 euro r? Also for anyone interested in the dc5 being lighter comparison here's an interesting read why spoons ichishima chose the cl7 over the dc5 for their race bases.
http://asia.vtec.net/article/Spoon2/
Nice pic imo
That’s kind of the whole point, yes it fills a niche well but really not many people want a family saloon that’s also reasonable ‘on track’ especially one with a n/a engine, hence the tiny numbershttp://asia.vtec.net/article/Spoon2/
Nice pic imo
If you wanted a fastish saloon at the time you’d have just bought a 3 series or an Audi/merc/st220/vectra vxr etc all much better to live with day to day as big engines or torque from turbo or both.
I’m not saying this isn’t an interesting or good car, because it’s both, but in all honesty it’s very niche, it would struggle to keep a 320d honest in the real world yet you get all the drawbacks of having the thrash it and s
te fuel consumption. NewUsername said:
That’s kind of the whole point, yes it fills a niche well but really not many people want a family saloon that’s also reasonable ‘on track’ especially one with a n/a engine, hence the tiny numbers
If you wanted a fastish saloon at the time you’d have just bought a 3 series or an Audi/merc/st220/vectra vxr etc all much better to live with day to day as big engines or torque from turbo or both.
I’m not saying this isn’t an interesting or good car, because it’s both, but in all honesty it’s very niche, it would struggle to keep a 320d honest in the real world yet you get all the drawbacks of having the thrash it and ste fuel consumption.
One car I wouldn't want to own from 2006 -2010 is a BMW 320d. Ticking time bomb they're. Anyway life's to short to drive cramped bland expensive diesels 😀If you wanted a fastish saloon at the time you’d have just bought a 3 series or an Audi/merc/st220/vectra vxr etc all much better to live with day to day as big engines or torque from turbo or both.
I’m not saying this isn’t an interesting or good car, because it’s both, but in all honesty it’s very niche, it would struggle to keep a 320d honest in the real world yet you get all the drawbacks of having the thrash it and s
te fuel consumption. [quote=waltonoftsukuba]Just out of interest. For the guys out there who aren't keen or don't see the appeal of this car, can they tell me if there is any n/a 2.0 4 cylinder saloon cars out there that they like that can perform on road and track straight out of the box to the level of the cl7 euro r? Also for anyone interested in the dc5 being lighter comparison here's an interesting read why spoons ichishima chose the cl7 over the dc5 for their race bases.
http://asia.vtec.net/article/Spoon2/
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Toyota Altezza. Similar high revving 2 litre saloon car but RWD instead! Cheaper to buy as well.
http://asia.vtec.net/article/Spoon2/
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Toyota Altezza. Similar high revving 2 litre saloon car but RWD instead! Cheaper to buy as well.
Lollypops]altonoftsukuba said:
Just out of interest. For the guys out there who aren't keen or don't see the appeal of this car, can they tell me if there is any n/a 2.0 4 cylinder saloon cars out there that they like that can perform on road and track straight out of the box to the level of the cl7 euro r? Also for anyone interested in the dc5 being lighter comparison here's an interesting read why spoons ichishima chose the cl7 over the dc5 for their race bases.
http://asia.vtec.net/article/Spoon2/
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Toyota Altezza. Similar high revving 2 litre saloon car but RWD instead! Cheaper to buy as well.
Hah that is a great car. What an engine. Whats the pricing on them ATM?http://asia.vtec.net/article/Spoon2/
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Toyota Altezza. Similar high revving 2 litre saloon car but RWD instead! Cheaper to buy as well.
Lollypops said:
waltonoftsukuba said:
Just out of interest. For the guys out there who aren't keen or don't see the appeal of this car, can they tell me if there is any n/a 2.0 4 cylinder saloon cars out there that they like that can perform on road and track straight out of the box to the level of the cl7 euro r? Also for anyone interested in the dc5 being lighter comparison here's an interesting read why spoons ichishima chose the cl7 over the dc5 for their race bases.
http://asia.vtec.net/article/Spoon2/
Toyota Altezza. Similar high revving 2 litre saloon car but RWD instead! Cheaper to buy as well.http://asia.vtec.net/article/Spoon2/
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