RE: 462hp Touareg is VW R's first hybrid

RE: 462hp Touareg is VW R's first hybrid

Tuesday 25th February 2020

462hp Touareg is VW R's first hybrid

VW is "vigorously expanding" its fast car offerings; here's the latest...



What could be more 2020 than a performance SUV boasting a hybrid powertrain? Adopting a similar template to the Range Rover Sport HST and Porsche Cayenne E-Hybrid - but with a more sporting remit - the Volkswagen Touareg is billed as "the perfect blend of high performance and electric efficiency."

On the former point, the Touareg R boasts 462hp, thanks to the combination of a 340hp turbocharged V6 and 136hp electric motor - itself powered by a 14.1kWh lithium-ion battery. Overall torque is rated at 516lb ft, so there's ample pulling power to deal with the 3.5-tonne towing capacity the R retains from the standard Touareg.


A familiar eight-speed auto and 4Motion permanent four-wheel drive combination manages that power to the road, with centre diff lock apportioning fore and aft; a maximum of 70 per cent of power can forwards, and 80 per cent to the back. In addition to the regular drive modes, the Touareg R also gets '4Motion Active Control', where the driver manages the powertrain. 'Hybrid' is designed for "optimised and automatic interaction" between the electric motor and the V6 engine", and E-Mode rather does what it says on the tin as well.

What's interesting is that the Touareg will default to electric running on start up (assuming there's enough charge in the battery), and operate as an EV at up to 140km/h - as well as tow that 3.5-tonne maximum. That said an electric range hasn't yet been confirmed - expect that at Geneva - with VW only stating that it will cover "typical commuter distances with zero emissions." With city centre bans on combustion engines becoming a more likely reality by the day, having even a nominal electric range - one that can be maintained in hybrid mode through navigation data and recuperation technology - looks like very useful technology.


As for what makes this Touareg an R and not just a fast flagship PHEV, you'll notice the familiar VW accoutrements: Lapiz Blue paint, a black pack, darkened light clusters, the mildest of mild bodykits and some new wheels. As standard the R will come with 20-inch 'Braga' rims, though it seems unlikely many will stay with standard wheels given 21-inch 'Suzuka' and 22-inch 'Estoril' items are also available. The press release issued today makes no mention of any suspension or brake changes, so expect details of those to follow from the show stand.

While the interior gets the familiar overhaul - new trims, logos, stitching - there is a noteworthy feature that drivers will enjoy when sitting in their sports seats optionally tanned sustainably using olive oil: the Travel Assist. For the very first time a VW is fitted (at extra cost) with an assisted driving feature that can monitor the car at up to 155mph. (Previously it was 210km/h, or 130mph). Therefore Touareg R drivers can use the lane keep and adaptive cruise to reach maximum speed with very little input.

That's it for the Touareg R for now, though expect plenty more soon - Jost Capito describes it as a vehicle of "unrivalled charisma", after all. And don't worry if this isn't your cup of tea - that new Golf GTI isn't far off, either. And GTD. And GTE...








 

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ntiz

Original Poster:

2,337 posts

136 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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So basically it has got the same hybrid power train as the Cayenne, Bentayga and Panamera.

Nothing new.

steveb8189

473 posts

191 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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ntiz said:
So basically it has got the same hybrid power train as the Cayenne, Bentayga and Panamera.

Nothing new.
But great to see it filtering down to the lesser brands

Olas

911 posts

57 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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The same v6 turbo used in China derived
From the VR? Or a ‘true’ v6?

W12AAM

108 posts

81 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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i kind of get the electric mode needed for cities, if thats the way the world is going (City of York...and Brighton to follow).

But at a price of?..."Nearly £100,000?!" for this VW, I'll stick with my 10 yr old L322 Range Rover TDV8 which manages around mid-30's MPG, on a long run...and if you look at the price of diesel, lately (£125.9), along with the "unknown" of whether to invest in a new Hybrid?, Or a full electric...Or just leave it to what youve already got?... Keeping my 2nd hand Range Rover wins!

Only if the Governmnet bans diesels or petrols altogether (overnight) OR whack up the price of road tax or fuel, will i have to change....but by the time it would be about to be implented, that government will be kicked out as that not what the majority of the public will want and will vote against it.

ogrodz

179 posts

120 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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I don't think that completely switching all cars to electric is the way to go. There are many many reasons why this will not work within the 15 year horizon that the government has stupidly set (switching millions of households to 3-phase electric supply to solve the quick charge problem for example) - extensively discussed in a recent thread here.

Rather, why not establish a new and stretching set of emission parameters for 15 years hence - including 2.5nm particulate levels - and incentivise manufacturers to innovate new ways to achieve those targets - e.g new particulate filters and gas scrubbers for existing combustion engines? This would allow a progressive development of existing technologies - much more achievable in my view.

Hybrids are an example of progressive development - but I would be very interested to see how far diesel technology could actually go if you really tried. In my company we have run 5 series BMW's (520ed) for many years. They are incredibly efficient (60+mpg) and of course no issues with range. My sales and marketing director is switching to a Peugeot electric vehicle this April. The stated range is around 230miles - so I have had to create a new company car policy that defines where we will compensate train use, overnight stays, use of own car or hire car (combustion engine) etc etc... With the current company car BIK tax policy strongly weighted against combustion engine (and hybrid) technologies, how can an employer reasonably deny an employee an electric vehicle if it saves the employee so much tax?

hu8742

238 posts

125 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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So pure EV range I'm guessing is about 10-15 miles based on battery size and weight.

If car makers want us to switch to Hybrid, then the EV-only range needs to be a real world 30-40+ miles. I think the new X5 PHEV with its 24 kwh battery is pretty much there. Now we just need others to get there and then I'm in. No point switching out of diesel for only a tiddly amount of EV range

Come on Range Rover... more EV mileage please.

big_rob_sydney

3,401 posts

194 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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Ev is coming. Everyone knows it. It's just a question of time.

Completely discounting for a minute the health issues of pollution, and local regulations (London ULEZ, etc), manufacturers are pushing this. VAG has to get out from under dieselgate, and they're a pretty big player. Tesla, like it or not, has pushed things along. I read today that the GErman car industry is suffering because Tesla is outselling them in their own backyard for specific segments that are in direct competition. If and when Tesla decides to enter more niches, those will become competitive battlegrounds, which Tesla are well placed to win, due to their battery factories and supercharger networks already well advanced.

I guess the real question for me is this; various governments talk a big game about pollution, and vitue signalling all this green blah blah blah, but when push comes to shove, they'll lose out on road tax (in this country at least). So there will need to be some real money thrown at this. Just how much money are the UK government prepared to lose, in order to improve health?

And lets not forget, this is a global discussion, despite being on a UK centric forum.

In related points, I like the idea of a zero emission vehicle, and don't care about engine note per se, but I don't see the point in spending £100k to save £100 a month in fuel. There needs to be a firm business case, and everyones needs will vary from sales reps to students, retirees, soccer mums / dads, fleet owners, and so on.

bristolracer

5,535 posts

149 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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Because the world really needs another 460hp SUV.

Motormatt

484 posts

218 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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steveb8189 said:
ntiz said:
So basically it has got the same hybrid power train as the Cayenne, Bentayga and Panamera.

Nothing new.
But great to see it filtering down to the lesser brands
Lesser brand it may be, but I cant see this starting at any less than £70k, not exactly the definition of a "peoples car"

Burwood

18,709 posts

246 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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It will have a 22ish mile range on EV power-at least the X5 can do over 50 which is useful for most buyers. Utter waste of time.

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

156 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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bristolracer said:
Because the world really needs another 460hp SUV.
Perhaps not, but good to have the choice and of course plenty will benefit from buying second hand?

Was watching something at the weekend stating that SUVs are the new saloons and the world has certainly changed.

Olas

911 posts

57 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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NOT their first hybrid, golf GTE already exists.

jonosterman

76 posts

92 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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Olas said:
NOT their first hybrid, golf GTE already exists.
First hybrid from the 'R' department.

Shakermaker

11,317 posts

100 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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Olas said:
NOT their first hybrid, golf GTE already exists.
But because pedantry matters, that isn't a VW R Division car.

Carl_Manchester

12,167 posts

262 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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bristolracer said:
Because the world really needs another 460hp SUV.
All we need to know is whether this drivetrain will fit into a Golf R Plus and whether VW have the brass nuts to produce said uber Golf.

steveb8189

473 posts

191 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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Carl_Manchester said:
All we need to know is whether this drivetrain will fit into a Golf R Plus and whether VW have the brass nuts to produce said uber Golf.
No chance will the Golf go back to a v6. 2.0 4 pot all the way even for the plus

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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Given how woefully unreliable the drivetrain and electrics are in my boggo Touareg, not to mention VW parts costs that would make Ferrari blush, I can only imagine these things are going to be all but worthless when the warranty expires.

Vocht

1,631 posts

164 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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Certainly looks fantastic in Lapiz Blue with black accents. This is about as much car as you would ever need. Hopefully it doesn't price itself out of the market like the Phaeton.

stongle

5,910 posts

162 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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fblm said:
Given how woefully unreliable the drivetrain and electrics are in my boggo Touareg, not to mention VW parts costs that would make Ferrari blush, I can only imagine these things are going to be all but worthless when the warranty expires.
Hmm, I was wondering why my 2017 one got pinched.

ntiz

Original Poster:

2,337 posts

136 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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Let’s be honest most of the time it will have 350 bhp because the battery is empty. If it ever gets charged up at all in the first place.