RE: 2020 Land Rover Defender | The long review
Discussion
daveco said:
Mackofthejungle said:
And you can't even buy a f
king Jimny because Suzuki are tts and won't put a proper engine in it. 2020 and the choice of cars is st.
The engine is simple to work on, ultra reliable, economical, and lightweight. Granted, not the most powerful powerplant but you're hardly buying it for drag races! king Jimny because Suzuki are tts and won't put a proper engine in it. 2020 and the choice of cars is st. And despite all that, a small turbo 3 cylinder would be SO much better anyway.
AngryPartsBloke said:
I'm the troll? You're making daft comparisons to cars it looks absolute nothing like and i'm the troll?
A 2016 Defender 110 Adventure was £43K, this starts out at a little above that and his a huge improvement on interior and comfort alone.
As for the Landcruiser, well the 200 series is no longer sold in Europe and the one that is isn't really a rival.
Feel free to add a combination of original words that somehow goes to making an objective observation and not some tired old rubbish that's been trotted out before. It was boring and pathetic before and it still is now.
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/japanese-cars/toyota-launches-land-cruiser-utility/37418A 2016 Defender 110 Adventure was £43K, this starts out at a little above that and his a huge improvement on interior and comfort alone.
As for the Landcruiser, well the 200 series is no longer sold in Europe and the one that is isn't really a rival.
Feel free to add a combination of original words that somehow goes to making an objective observation and not some tired old rubbish that's been trotted out before. It was boring and pathetic before and it still is now.
you're welcome.
jason61c said:
Why the hatred for this car out of interest? I've never owned a 4x4, thought the original defender was a cool looking vehicle but pointless for most of the people that drove them, however I like this one. It's a good blend of being excellent offroad, interior comfort and ruggidness. Why do people get so upset by cars like this? if you don't like it then fair enough, don't buy one. You just keep coming back to make a point that nobody really wants to hear repeated.thecremeegg said:
Why the hatred for this car out of interest? I've never owned a 4x4, thought the original defender was a cool looking vehicle but pointless for most of the people that drove them, however I like this one. It's a good blend of being excellent offroad, interior comfort and ruggidness. Why do people get so upset by cars like this? if you don't like it then fair enough, don't buy one. You just keep coming back to make a point that nobody really wants to hear repeated.
I don't hate them, I love them. I just don't like what's been done to it. Its a discussion forum.What I think will be totally missing is it being in anyway rugged.
1stly, terrific feature PH!
And amazing pics as usual by NickD, you can't look at those pics without getting a serious case of wanderlust. And that, is exactly the sentiment that the new Defender so successfully taps into, the feeling that you could go anywhere. You won't of course, you'll drive to Sainsburys, and perhaps occasionally a very slightly muddy National Trust carpark, but it's the "could" that is important.
And in this respect, i'm going to suggest that there simply isn't a car on the planet that has the same broad width of capability as the new Defender, it's extremely well judged as a compromise.
Back in 1983, the leaf sprung series LR was replaced with the first coil sprung 110, which later became the Defender, and at the time, the beards complained the new car could never be the same as the old one, but of course it was, and better still. Today, other than a very few true enthusiasts, no one still uses a Series LR day to day, and this new car will, imo, very quickly have the same effect on the old one.
Yes, people will still have a great fondness for the old Defender, like your trusty old family labrador, loveable even when he occasionally pee's on the hall carpet, so when it pulls you up a tricky snowy hill one cold winter, you gently pat the top of the dash and quietly but openly can't help but laud "good car, good car" to the car.
But the simple fact remains, the new Defender can do everything the old one can, but whilst being a lot more practical and comfortable, and frankly requiring less sacrifices by it's driver and occupants (esp. when considering crash safety........). Today it is too soon and so the jury is out on if this new models capability negates some of it's intrinsic charm and character. Modern cars are so capable with so few flaws that they can be taken for granted, and this is why they are simply not as loveable as old cars!
But my moneys on this being a sell out success!
even without any beam axles.... ;-)
And amazing pics as usual by NickD, you can't look at those pics without getting a serious case of wanderlust. And that, is exactly the sentiment that the new Defender so successfully taps into, the feeling that you could go anywhere. You won't of course, you'll drive to Sainsburys, and perhaps occasionally a very slightly muddy National Trust carpark, but it's the "could" that is important.
And in this respect, i'm going to suggest that there simply isn't a car on the planet that has the same broad width of capability as the new Defender, it's extremely well judged as a compromise.
Back in 1983, the leaf sprung series LR was replaced with the first coil sprung 110, which later became the Defender, and at the time, the beards complained the new car could never be the same as the old one, but of course it was, and better still. Today, other than a very few true enthusiasts, no one still uses a Series LR day to day, and this new car will, imo, very quickly have the same effect on the old one.
Yes, people will still have a great fondness for the old Defender, like your trusty old family labrador, loveable even when he occasionally pee's on the hall carpet, so when it pulls you up a tricky snowy hill one cold winter, you gently pat the top of the dash and quietly but openly can't help but laud "good car, good car" to the car.
But the simple fact remains, the new Defender can do everything the old one can, but whilst being a lot more practical and comfortable, and frankly requiring less sacrifices by it's driver and occupants (esp. when considering crash safety........). Today it is too soon and so the jury is out on if this new models capability negates some of it's intrinsic charm and character. Modern cars are so capable with so few flaws that they can be taken for granted, and this is why they are simply not as loveable as old cars!
But my moneys on this being a sell out success!
even without any beam axles.... ;-)
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 25th March 11:41
jason61c said:
AngryPartsBloke said:
Because maybe you'd have something more interesting to say, either you're being flippant to make up for your lack of personality or you need your eyes testing.
You are right about my eyes and personality though. Lucky for you, yours shines through.It looks like a larger kia soul.
There's too much 'tech' in it, which given JLR's history, is not a good thing.
Its too expensive.
It'll help toyota sell 1000's of the super reliable landcruisers.
So now i've fed the troll, can you try and look at these threads as discussion, so feel free to add a combination of words thats not just trying to insult a single individual.
The Japanense have the utility market sewn up worldwide. If LR made a "hilux" or "Landcruiser" what possible reason would anyone have for buying the LR product over the existing, proven one?
LR understand this, and they have trodden a very careful line with the new Defender, and are actually attempting to make a new niche for themselves, rather than compete head on against opposition that are effectively unbeatable!
They have done it before (RR in 1973, D1 in 1991, Freelander in 1997) and i think they can do it again!
Tim bo said:
Superb photography to accompany the article. 
Give Nick a follow on the 'gram if you like these pics!https://www.instagram.com/nickdimbleby/
Great photographer and a true LandRover man through and through :-)
This will sell, sell, sell.
I’ll buy one for starters (110 for me).
The posters talking about price overlap are being obtuse. These start at £43k with cheaper ones to follow - clearly you can spec one up to the eyeballs but that is no different from any other car today (and is clearly where the profit lives). Disco 5/RRS and FFRR will overlap to some but the actual prices points are quite different.
I’ll buy one for starters (110 for me).
The posters talking about price overlap are being obtuse. These start at £43k with cheaper ones to follow - clearly you can spec one up to the eyeballs but that is no different from any other car today (and is clearly where the profit lives). Disco 5/RRS and FFRR will overlap to some but the actual prices points are quite different.
The reason it costs what it costs is because the alternative is a G-Wagen....and look at what they cost!!
People seem to think it should be priced at a level of a Dacia Duster or Suzuki Jimny..
Remember LR is a premium brand and whilst that may not match with their record for reliability, its proven they can charge a premium for their products. Plus this is Slovakian built so who knows it may be the new Land Cruiser in terms of durability.
Those questioning looks, well it was always going to be difficult to translate an ancient design into a modern style.
People seem to think it should be priced at a level of a Dacia Duster or Suzuki Jimny..
Remember LR is a premium brand and whilst that may not match with their record for reliability, its proven they can charge a premium for their products. Plus this is Slovakian built so who knows it may be the new Land Cruiser in terms of durability.
Those questioning looks, well it was always going to be difficult to translate an ancient design into a modern style.
What a great read. Makes me want to do something like that... Which I never will. LR put on a really good show here, and the story and photography really makes the new Defender look amazing.
The new Defender is going to be MILES better than the old one. The old defender was truly agricultural to drive. I spend some time driving one once, and that was enough for me. The new one I'm sure should be able to do motorway driving without being soul destroying.
I'd like the most base spec possible model, in every way. I can't afford a base spec one, or a £90k one. It's fun to dream.
The new Defender is going to be MILES better than the old one. The old defender was truly agricultural to drive. I spend some time driving one once, and that was enough for me. The new one I'm sure should be able to do motorway driving without being soul destroying.
I'd like the most base spec possible model, in every way. I can't afford a base spec one, or a £90k one. It's fun to dream.
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