RE: 2020 Land Rover Defender | The short review
Discussion
Cold said:
Why do you think they should be so cheap?
I don't think they'd be "cheap" even at the lower prices noted but I'm concerned that the lifestyle market is fickle and the pricing strategy has some short-termism to it which looks greedy to be quite honest. Also as they're made in Slovakia you'd think some cost savings might be passed along but the substantial jumps in pricing based on engine choice alone seem excessive.Just to be clear, I'm not expecting these to be £30k for Joe Public, and the £40k start price isn't too far off the mark, it's what they are providing for the extra £35k on top that has me a bit stunned.
If this was the new Discovery then it would be fine. It would be more than fine actually.
But a Defender should be a rough and tough work vehicle. I would be equally dismissive of Toyota bringing out a Landcruiser/Hilux that was like this. There should be a pickup version just like there was with the old one and it should be a viable machine for people who really want to use it for real heavy duty work. This has just been designed for playing off road, which I'm sure it will be good at although not as good or modifiable as a Wrangler. I can't think of a more pointless vehicle. Can't wait to see how much of the Discovery's sales it caniballises.
But a Defender should be a rough and tough work vehicle. I would be equally dismissive of Toyota bringing out a Landcruiser/Hilux that was like this. There should be a pickup version just like there was with the old one and it should be a viable machine for people who really want to use it for real heavy duty work. This has just been designed for playing off road, which I'm sure it will be good at although not as good or modifiable as a Wrangler. I can't think of a more pointless vehicle. Can't wait to see how much of the Discovery's sales it caniballises.
llcoolmac said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Utility vehicles are fantastic, I mean I love my Amorak but the prices for these are astounding.
A major problem for this utility vehicle is that it's not a UTILITY vehicle! It can't do anything that a normal car or SUV can't also do. It's a pathetic attempt at making something proper. A posers vehicle and nothing more. These will not be used as a work vehicle at all and the price reflects that. A vehicle that will be bought by idiots who think they have got some sort of pseudo military vehicle when all they really got was a less comfortable Range Rover Sport in drag.knebworth01 said:
Front number plate is mounted too low, makes the front end look droopy.
Seems minor but you see quite a few manufactuers putting the numberplates in the 'wrong place' and it totally spoils the look of the intended styling.
I agree. Worst for this is the Porsche 992 rear plate. They charge extra to have it put it in the right position like on the Turbo.Seems minor but you see quite a few manufactuers putting the numberplates in the 'wrong place' and it totally spoils the look of the intended styling.
For the Defender, the front plate makes it look different to other LR product. If you move it up the face becomes very Land Rover generic.
rastapasta said:
Brutal but true. The max towing weights are not published which tells us all we need to know as to the target market.
3500kgs in the UK (slightly higher in the US as they don't have such stringent rules) and a 900kgs payload. Does that tell you all you need to know about the target market?
RexT said:
I wonder how many the British military will order at those prices? Let’s hope Jim Ratcliffe’s Grenadier is a lot closer to the original concept and suitable for military use.
Can you point to the MoD being interested in any sort of vehicle like a Defender or the Grenadier in their current/ or future plans?Manufacturers do massive amounts of research before and during the process of pouring billions into developing a new model. If there was money to be made in selling a hose out, multi diff locked, no frills utility vehicles to farmers, Governments and armies, they'd be doing exactly that. I rather suspect that there is more money to be made in selling an £80 grand Tonka toy to wealthy 40 somethings who live in Hampstead and drive to the Cotswolds most weekends and Val-d'Isère every Easter.
I'd imagine this is bang on what the market is looking for and will sell like bog roll during a lock down.
Looks like it's fine off road for what 99% of buyers will need.
https://youtu.be/_gI_Qbc5Kds?t=389
I'd imagine this is bang on what the market is looking for and will sell like bog roll during a lock down.
Looks like it's fine off road for what 99% of buyers will need.
https://youtu.be/_gI_Qbc5Kds?t=389
Cold said:
rastapasta said:
Brutal but true. The max towing weights are not published which tells us all we need to know as to the target market.
3500kgs in the UK (slightly higher in the US as they don't have such stringent rules) and a 900kgs payload. Does that tell you all you need to know about the target market?
And I thought that was expensive!
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