Sadly selling due to crisis

Sadly selling due to crisis

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barryrs

2,975 posts

178 months

Sunday 5th April
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phib said:
As I dont partticularly like being called a liar, please see a pic of another 997 I was offered both retail and trade valuations, and if think anyone is giving full cap valuations think again !!

Phib



As it happens I have spent quite a bit of time looking at that car on Autotrader.

lord trumpton

5,603 posts

81 months

Sunday 5th April
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barryrs said:
phib said:
As I dont partticularly like being called a liar, please see a pic of another 997 I was offered both retail and trade valuations, and if think anyone is giving full cap valuations think again !!

Phib



As it happens I have spent quite a bit of time looking at that car on Autotrader.
Keep looking

A world of pain awaits unless its had its liners done.

2005 is prime bore score/RMS/IMS horror and add in 15 years for rad corrosion and 94k miles for chassis bushes/dampers etc etc


Deranged Rover

515 posts

29 months

Sunday 5th April
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Well, I’m at the other end of the transaction, as I’ve just bought a car. I’ve had my eye on it for a few weeks and the seller reduced it from £8250 to £7500 last weekend, so I went for it.

Turns out he’s having to sell it due to Corovavirus-related redundancy but I assured him it’s going to a good home, which it is - I’m chuffed to bits!

I could tell he was genuinely sad to see it go but he had two other very nice cars still.

The Moose

19,593 posts

164 months

Sunday 5th April
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Deranged Rover said:
Well, I’m at the other end of the transaction, as I’ve just bought a car. I’ve had my eye on it for a few weeks and the seller reduced it from £8250 to £7500 last weekend, so I went for it.

Turns out he’s having to sell it due to Corovavirus-related redundancy but I assured him it’s going to a good home, which it is - I’m chuffed to bits!

I could tell he was genuinely sad to see it go but he had two other very nice cars still.
And yet you leave out the most important part of your story!!

Aaa.

3,678 posts

53 months

Sunday 5th April
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ToothbrushMan said:
coming at this from a different angle who thinks we will see many who take their car off the road or never return it to the road and sell it and go car less after this lockdown if that isnt going too far off topic? i suspect there will be many countin g how uch extra cash they have in their pocket because of not lashng out for petrol or other costs including monthlies on those that do not own outright. youve got to be talking about big numbers.
I don't think so, IMO. Just wait until the lockdown is over and people start moving about. Yes, there will be a cost saving, but it's a small amount to be able to move about freely.

There was talk of more people being able to work from home in the future, as they've been able to now, but I dont think it's for everyone - as in not to all tastes - and this could be the bad experience for some.

eltax91

8,471 posts

161 months

Sunday 5th April
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Aaa. said:
I don't think so, IMO. Just wait until the lockdown is over and people start moving about. Yes, there will be a cost saving, but it's a small amount to be able to move about freely.

There was talk of more people being able to work from home in the future, as they've been able to now, but I dont think it's for everyone - as in not to all tastes - and this could be the bad experience for some.
I’ve been working at home (field sales, reasonable travel) for 10 years. My wife commutes 40 miles a day into a busy city centre. I’ve been banging the working from home drum for years. She’s had none of it. The team works better together etc etc

I think she’s seen the light. There were some tech troubles at the start (it’s a charity, everything’s on a shoe string) but they got over those. She’s already decided when she goes back (12 weeks, she’s in an at risk group) that she will implement a rota policy allowing everyone time to habitually work from home if the role allows it.

About the only decent thing to come out of corona for me. biggrin

Vroomer

1,486 posts

135 months

Monday 6th April
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lord trumpton said:
Keep looking

A world of pain awaits unless its had its liners done.

2005 is prime bore score/RMS/IMS horror and add in 15 years for rad corrosion and 94k miles for chassis bushes/dampers etc etc
Surely the problems you refer to peaked with the 996, not the 997.

suffolk009

4,090 posts

120 months

Monday 6th April
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For some reason there is a great deal of focus on this thread about early Vantage prices.

My wife decided that she's like to trade in her Boxster S for a Vantage a few months ago. She's very colour specific and it has to be a manual. There are currently about 30 cars on autotrader than fit her spec, half of those are too expensive/new. I've been keeping an eye on the cars and their prices - next to no changes (sales or discounts) yet.

We'd obviously have to sell the Porsche and add some money, but there is no way we're putting money into buying an Aston in the current climate.

When the market reopens prices will fall, the only question is when that will stop.

phib

4,066 posts

214 months

Monday 6th April
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Vroomer said:
lord trumpton said:
Keep looking

A world of pain awaits unless its had its liners done.

2005 is prime bore score/RMS/IMS horror and add in 15 years for rad corrosion and 94k miles for chassis bushes/dampers etc etc
Surely the problems you refer to peaked with the 996, not the 997.
Gen 2 997 fixed them ... mainly

So roughly 2010 onwards from memory

Phib

Vroomer

1,486 posts

135 months

Monday 6th April
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Peak was 996. Some issue with 997 Gen 1, but not so many. Gen 2 was from 2009.

Deranged Rover

515 posts

29 months

Monday 6th April
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The Moose said:
And yet you leave out the most important part of your story!!
My apologies! 2005 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.2 Supercharged

The Moose

19,593 posts

164 months

Monday 6th April
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Deranged Rover said:
The Moose said:
And yet you leave out the most important part of your story!!
My apologies! 2005 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.2 Supercharged
Nice! I always had a soft spot for those...but I haven’t yet been brave enough thumbup

cayman-black

9,343 posts

171 months

Monday 6th April
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Deranged Rover said:
The Moose said:
And yet you leave out the most important part of your story!!
My apologies! 2005 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.2 Supercharged
Very nice , congratulations. What a lot of car for the cash.

braddo

6,992 posts

143 months

Monday 6th April
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Vroomer said:
Peak was 996. Some issue with 997 Gen 1, but not so many.
Not true, based on what I've been reading in the Porsche forums for a long time.

997.1 carries over essentially the same 3.6 from the 996.2, plus introduced the 3.8. The larger capacity engines seem to be the most prone to bore scoring and 'D' chunks so early 997s are absolutely in the prime risk group. They are also have one of the weakest IMS bearing setups (I can't remember the various combinations of bearing size and single-row/dual-row stuff over the years). There is nothing that makes the 997.1s less risky than 996 in relation to their engines.






greenarrow

2,293 posts

72 months

Tuesday 7th April
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braddo said:
Vroomer said:
Peak was 996. Some issue with 997 Gen 1, but not so many.
Not true, based on what I've been reading in the Porsche forums for a long time.

997.1 carries over essentially the same 3.6 from the 996.2, plus introduced the 3.8. The larger capacity engines seem to be the most prone to bore scoring and 'D' chunks so early 997s are absolutely in the prime risk group. They are also have one of the weakest IMS bearing setups (I can't remember the various combinations of bearing size and single-row/dual-row stuff over the years). There is nothing that makes the 997.1s less risky than 996 in relation to their engines.
Indeed. PH user CMoose is the expert on this, but from what I remember, the 996.2 3.6 litre and 997.1 3.8 litre models are about the worse of the lot. In fact I am sure he has stated in the past that the early 996.1 3.4 litre variant doesn't have any IMS bearing issues.....

Welshbeef

40,678 posts

153 months

Tuesday 7th April
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If you buy a 911 which hasn’t had the corrective works - how much is it to fix it? Provided you price this into your offer then all good - up to you if you actually do it or risk it like previous owners.

braddo

6,992 posts

143 months

Tuesday 7th April
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Welshbeef said:
If you buy a 911 which hasn’t had the corrective works - how much is it to fix it? Provided you price this into your offer then all good - up to you if you actually do it or risk it like previous owners.
A proper engine rebuild including upgraded pistons, liners etc to prevent any future bore scoring etc is £10k+. The problem is not knowing whether that bill comes during your ownership or further down the line.

You can try to factor that into an offer, but you won't be getting anyone accepting.

eltax91

8,471 posts

161 months

Tuesday 7th April
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braddo said:
Welshbeef said:
If you buy a 911 which hasn’t had the corrective works - how much is it to fix it? Provided you price this into your offer then all good - up to you if you actually do it or risk it like previous owners.
A proper engine rebuild including upgraded pistons, liners etc to prevent any future bore scoring etc is £10k+. The problem is not knowing whether that bill comes during your ownership or further down the line.

You can try to factor that into an offer, but you won't be getting anyone accepting.
Just buy an early c2 manual 3.4 with an IMS upgrade. Like I did. biggrin

South tdf

949 posts

150 months

Tuesday 7th April
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My old 997 C4S had two complete new engines under Porsche warranty (I was unaware of the first and was told the second was a “rare failure”) as it was replaced shortly before I purchased it as a OPC used car at under 40,000 miles.

I was gutted when the third went as the car was out of warranty so sent it to Hartech, spent close to £12k doing everything needed.

By the time it had covered 70k it had had 3 engine failures and warranty claims for a PCM head unit, PASM suspension units, Sports Exhaust system plus other smaller items.

Something I found out is the tiptronic has more failures along with the 3.8 S engine.

LaurasOtherHalf

17,325 posts

151 months

Thursday 9th April
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https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

M3 GTS, less than 3k miles and under £80k. Not sure what these were at the beginning of the year but that sounds cheap to me.