Alpine A110 to be axed?
Discussion
Max_Torque said:
This is just the start.
As we come out of the "Golden age of the car", ween ourselves off our heady, intoxicating but oh-so-polluting hydrocarbon habit, and perhaps even start to move away from pure consumerism, the changes are going to be absolutely enormous. It'll make the loss of our steel works, or the closure of our coal industry seem trivialby comparison...
Charging points in every house. As we come out of the "Golden age of the car", ween ourselves off our heady, intoxicating but oh-so-polluting hydrocarbon habit, and perhaps even start to move away from pure consumerism, the changes are going to be absolutely enormous. It'll make the loss of our steel works, or the closure of our coal industry seem trivialby comparison...
How long to charge.
What is the range of an EV.
How much to replace the battery.
What about low incomes that can't afford to buy/lease one.
How much fuel duty would the taxman lose.
How much pollution to produce the electricity.
The IC engine will be around for years.
blade7 said:
Max_Torque said:
This is just the start.
As we come out of the "Golden age of the car", ween ourselves off our heady, intoxicating but oh-so-polluting hydrocarbon habit, and perhaps even start to move away from pure consumerism, the changes are going to be absolutely enormous. It'll make the loss of our steel works, or the closure of our coal industry seem trivialby comparison...
Charging points in every house. As we come out of the "Golden age of the car", ween ourselves off our heady, intoxicating but oh-so-polluting hydrocarbon habit, and perhaps even start to move away from pure consumerism, the changes are going to be absolutely enormous. It'll make the loss of our steel works, or the closure of our coal industry seem trivialby comparison...
How long to charge.
What is the range of an EV.
How much to replace the battery.
What about low incomes that can't afford to buy/lease one.
How much fuel duty would the taxman lose.
How much pollution to produce the electricity.
The IC engine will be around for years.
Well if the ICE engine is around for years, you'd best like the one you are driving at the moment, because NO ONE is developing any new ones now.
And if they aren't developing them, you can't buy them, no matter how great you think the ICE actually is..........
The Voice said:
As has been said, they got the price point wrong. It’s simply too expensive. That’s why they haven’t sold many.
It needed to be nearer £30k than £50k.
For a bespoke all-aluminium lightweight RWD sports-car platform? Never gonna happen. 30k would reduce it to something like a GT86/BRZ, which gets relentless flak on here...It needed to be nearer £30k than £50k.
Max_Torque said:
BINGO!
Well if the ICE engine is around for years, you'd best like the one you are driving at the moment, because NO ONE is developing any new ones now.
And if they aren't developing them, you can't buy them, no matter how great you think the ICE actually is..........
Aren't Aston Martin developing a new six cylinder at the moment? Even with the progression to EV surely not ALL manufacturers have stopped development? I think Ford are a bit behind the EV curve, aren't they? Well if the ICE engine is around for years, you'd best like the one you are driving at the moment, because NO ONE is developing any new ones now.
And if they aren't developing them, you can't buy them, no matter how great you think the ICE actually is..........
And that new Maserati which is going to be ICE, hybrid and EV is coming with a new engine and apparently all in house no less!
Fittster said:
Manufactures seem to have to learn the hard way, that if you don't have the right badge you won't sell an up market product.
GM (chevrolet), Renault, Toyota, Honda have wasted a lot of development on cars people in the UK won't buy
Totally agree, if people are going to spend £50K plus on a sports car it better have a Porsche badge on the front so everyone knows they have a sports car. It's a bit like watches, the majority of people know nothing about watches but they will definitely be impressed if you have a Rolex.GM (chevrolet), Renault, Toyota, Honda have wasted a lot of development on cars people in the UK won't buy
Edited by Fittster on Wednesday 20th May 13:50
Mainstream sports cars sell in tiny numbers, look at how many GT86s have been sold. How many of the new Toyota Supra will be sold, a handful I bet.
The majority of people these days want an SUV so they can sit up high and feel safe.
Max_Torque said:
BINGO!
Well if the ICE engine is around for years, you'd best like the one you are driving at the moment, because NO ONE is developing any new ones now.
And if they aren't developing them, you can't buy them, no matter how great you think the ICE actually is..........
Are the manufacturers intending to use mildly updated existing engines/with electric hybrid for the next generation of cars?Well if the ICE engine is around for years, you'd best like the one you are driving at the moment, because NO ONE is developing any new ones now.
And if they aren't developing them, you can't buy them, no matter how great you think the ICE actually is..........
TCEvo said:
I've yet to see one on the road (or at a dealers) here in Essex, and prior to the current conditions I spent a lot of time driving about.
Pity as they look good.
I've also only seen one new shape Supra - and that was outside the Toyota dealer in Colchester.
I've seen an A110 on the M62 near Manchester. It looked great. Pity as they look good.
I've also only seen one new shape Supra - and that was outside the Toyota dealer in Colchester.
Joey Deacon said:
Totally agree, if people are going to spend £50K plus on a sports car it better have a Porsche badge on the front so everyone knows they have a sports car. It's a bit like watches, the majority of people know nothing about watches but they will definitely be impressed if you have a Rolex.
Mainstream sports cars sell in tiny numbers, look at how many GT86s have been sold. How many of the new Toyota Supra will be sold, a handful I bet.
The majority of people these days want an SUV so they can sit up high and feel safe.
I am not sure, if I really cared about the badge I would probably prefer something that is not the ubiquitous Porsche and the Alpine badge would appeal to me, far more boutique. Mainstream sports cars sell in tiny numbers, look at how many GT86s have been sold. How many of the new Toyota Supra will be sold, a handful I bet.
The majority of people these days want an SUV so they can sit up high and feel safe.
As for SUVs, they are not incompatible with sports cars. If anything, most sports cars on a typical track day are towed...by an SUV.
TCEvo said:
I've yet to see one on the road (or at a dealers) here in Essex, and prior to the current conditions I spent a lot of time driving about.
Pity as they look good.
I've also only seen one new shape Supra - and that was outside the Toyota dealer in Colchester.
The dealers for them are in St Albans or Kent (from memory), but you don't see many driving around unfortunately. You might see one next weekend or the weekend after though Pity as they look good.
I've also only seen one new shape Supra - and that was outside the Toyota dealer in Colchester.
TCEvo said:
I've yet to see one on the road (or at a dealers) here in Essex, and prior to the current conditions I spent a lot of time driving about.
Pity as they look good.
I've also only seen one new shape Supra - and that was outside the Toyota dealer in Colchester.
I've seen two to memory; One on the PH sporting tour, and another on the A13, funnily enough! - Exchanged thumbs up with the driver!Pity as they look good.
I've also only seen one new shape Supra - and that was outside the Toyota dealer in Colchester.
As for the Supra, seen one at a meet just before the lockdown.
Whilst we're on lesser spotted, I've only seen one new NSX "Organically", and that was just off gallow's corner.
Max_Torque said:
My "Crystal ball" suggests:
1) SEAT and SKODA - choose one - probably i guess SKODA wins, SEAT becomes at best a rebadge, built in the same factory
4) FORD (EU) - significant restrusture and reduction in models imo - they need to get into EVs and do it fast, or they will be deader than Monty P's Parrot
Between SEAT and Skoda it's not even a competition - VW have long had a question mark over SEAT's future. I mean, what exactly is it's USP meant to be, design, performance, youthfulness? Skoda on the other hand has carved out a solid market for itself.1) SEAT and SKODA - choose one - probably i guess SKODA wins, SEAT becomes at best a rebadge, built in the same factory
4) FORD (EU) - significant restrusture and reduction in models imo - they need to get into EVs and do it fast, or they will be deader than Monty P's Parrot
Ford has a lot of strength in commercial vehicles in the EU, too much to walk away from, but I would agree with you on the passenger car side.
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