RE: Lexus RC F Carbon | Spotted

RE: Lexus RC F Carbon | Spotted

Monday 29th June 2020

Lexus RC F Carbon | Spotted

9,000 miles and more than £30k off - because not everyone wants an M4, you know...



Lexus is nothing if not a brand full of contradictions. On the one hand here's a manufacturer that created the near-flawless LS400, the smart original IS200 and the sublime LFA; on the other is a firm happy to continue with the CT200h. But also makes the LC, surely one of the best bits of car design seen in the past few years. Its performance models retain a 5.0-litre naturally-aspirated V8, yet hybrid and electric models are what Lexus is known best for. The range is, at times, a bit baffling.

Nothing encapsulated the Lexus way better than the RC F Carbon. Already the standard RC F was a confusing car, because in some regards it felt quite sporting and in others it felt like any other large Lexus. The Carbon certainly ensured there was no doubt about the intentions anymore: a carbon boot, roof and bonnet delivered the road-racer message loud and clear. Paired with orange paint as on this car, the Carbon treatment turned the RC F from bold to just about unmissable.

But the Carbon only saved 15kg - this was still a 1,765kg coupe, so it wasn't what you'd call transformative. Certainly most cars with carbon bonnets are a little more... hardcore. However, despite that and the quality of the opposition, we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the RC F was, in any form, a decent car to drive. Even if it wasn't class leading, the Lexus boasted Brembo brakes, Sachs dampers, a torque vectoring differential and more than enough ability: when PH tested RC F and M4 five years ago, the Lexus was less than a second slower around a Bedford Autodrome lap. Even though the BMW won out overall, it was said that "there's a little bit of magic to the RC F that never lets you forget its potential." Something that was notable for its absence in the M4.


Point being that the Lexus is most likely a far better sports coupe than it's often given credit for - nobody seems too bothered about a C63 being 1,800kg, after all. It was resolutely its own thing, too, which is a bold and laudable approach in such a competitive market. Perhaps most importantly, the RC F deserves some attention because a Carbon like this - with just 9,000 miles recorded - is for sale at £35,490. These were £70k cars new, carrying an £8,000 premium over the standard F.

Compare it to the obvious rivals and the RC's case looks stronger still; an M4 Competition from the same year at the same price has another 15,000 miles on it, while an equivalent C63 has more than 30,000 miles - that's not the 510hp S, either. No one is saying that the Lexus doesn't have its flaws, but you can't ignore the value that's on offer either. That's less than an NX costs brand new. It says here.

You would have to hope that rarity helps stem the flow of depreciation somewhat, because it does stand to cloud the ownership experience a tad. On the plus side, it surely can't lose this much again, and running a 5.0-litre V8 Lexus should be about as painless as any similarly configured vehicle could be. A Solar Orange RC F Carbon is never going to be to all tastes, but that's exactly the point - it isn't trying to please all buyers and it is a bit different, which it's hard not to admire the big Lex for. Especially at half price...




SPECIFICATION | LEXUS RC F CARBON

Engine: 4,969cc V8
Transmission: 8-speed automatic, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 477@7,100rpm
Torque (lb ft): 391@4,800-5,600rpm
MPG: 26.2 (claimed)
CO2: 252g/km
Year registered: 2016
Recorded mileage: 9,000
Price new: £68,995 (standard RC F Carbon)
Yours for: £35,490

See the original advert here.





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Mr.Jimbo

Original Poster:

2,082 posts

183 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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Cool car but I think the carbon bonnet looks out of place - leave the carbon roof, paint the carbon bonnet (or get a regular RCF one and keep it for resale) and it'd look a lot better I reckon.

Was the IS200 any good? I remember Dad test driving one, and him complaining that it had the fuel economy of the Impreza we were trading, without the handling of the BMW he ended up buying. Appreciate that's a sample size of one though. Remember them feeling awfully cheap inside for the price.

BIRMA

3,807 posts

194 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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Nice cars, I've had mine (not a Carbon version) for over a year now and that's a record for me. Flawed but quirky and once you fit a Quicksilver or other aftermarket exhaust they sound like a N/A V8 should sound.
Coming for a V12 twin turbo AMG to the RCF was an easy transformation and the running costs are as 'cheap as chips' just re-newed the full and very good Lexus Warranty that covers everything in a way you would not believe for under £500 a year, servicing is very cheap indeed.
Most owners on the forum tend to run them using the paddle shift because being N/A you have to rev them but the engine loves to rev.

Just a note the photo's do not do the colour justice, properly detailed in sunlight the colours really looks good.

Edited by BIRMA on Monday 29th June 12:50

jwwbowe

576 posts

172 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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Couldn’t live with the colour scheme on this example, though a standard non-carbon edition version is a lovely thing if you don’t need the dynamic ability of a M4/C63 Coupe.

As a bit of a knuckle dragger I would be drawn to a V8 Mustang with a manual box if I were after a coupe at that money. However I can see the appeal of this. I’d have a IS-F if you could get a rear facing ISOFIX seat in it without chopping the legs off the front passenger, they seem to have a lot less potential issues than a E92 M3 or C63 and are a bit of a sleeper.

Edited by jwwbowe on Monday 29th June 13:41

Vee12V

1,332 posts

160 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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Worst. Spec. Ever.

fido

16,794 posts

255 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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Mr.Jimbo said:
Was the IS200 any good? I remember Dad test driving one, and him complaining that it had the fuel economy of the Impreza we were trading, without the handling of the BMW he ended up buying. Appreciate that's a sample size of one though. Remember them feeling awfully cheap inside for the price.
Agree, they were incredibly well-made, no doubt, but with engineering that appears to be from another decade - the last time I saw a 2.0 straight-six was in a Triumph! Ditto the 5.0V8 - if you want a new E39 coupe in Halford colours then this fits the bill. Reminds me, I need to get a new wash mitt ..


cramorra

1,665 posts

235 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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I am obviously biased but the colour has to be seen in the sun to be able to comment it Called solar flare, IMO one of the best colours outside TVR s options list of old! Carbon is beautifully made on Lexus but perhaps a bit too much on this car
The Engine is Great, gearbox ( in auto mode) and infotainment leave ( much) room for improvement - I however usually forget this once I floor it when the valvetronic kicks in it sounds poor race... better than my old c63 and this is the benchmark. Handling is so so on the norm rcf
The car in the as is cold normal Rev limit is 7250 it adjusts as it warms up

scottygib553

526 posts

95 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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I like the discreet, Q-Car look this one has going on.

NGK210

2,908 posts

145 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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For: it's not a BMW, Audi or Mercedes and it’ll be infinitely more reliable and cheaper to run. It has a NA V8. It has a Mark Levinson hi-fi.

Against: its colour spec is either gloriously exuberant or the choice of an attention-seeking trustfund-supported son of a Yakuza-contracted pimp.

I think I’d prefer the all-black choice of a Yakuza-contracted ninja.

Edited by NGK210 on Monday 29th June 15:20

Baldchap

7,584 posts

92 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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Mr.Jimbo said:
Was the IS200 any good? I remember Dad test driving one, and him complaining that it had the fuel economy of the Impreza we were trading, without the handling of the BMW he ended up buying. Appreciate that's a sample size of one though. Remember them feeling awfully cheap inside for the price.
I remember reading that the IS200 won more awards throughout its lifespan than any other car ever.

I do know they were excellent, and the 300 moreso, but the MPG on the 300 was fairly terrifying. laugh

I remember a salesman mid test-drive saying to me 'You hear that?', I asked what and he said 'It's the Lexus husssshhhh'. Cheesy but highlighted how quiet and smooth it all was.

NGK210

2,908 posts

145 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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fido said:
...the last time I saw a 2.0 straight-six was in a Triumph! ...
Or a BMW 320i or 520i.

b80

195 posts

96 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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strange how Lexus don;t shift more units in this country really. Guess it shows how much of a part marketing plays.

BIRMA

3,807 posts

194 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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b80 said:
strange how Lexus don;t shift more units in this country really. Guess it shows how much of a part marketing plays.
Indeed if you check 'how many left' there are just over a couple of hundred in the UK which I think was a Lexus decision, whereas in the USA they have sold in much greater numbers.

Sandpit Steve

9,966 posts

74 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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These are great as a second-hand offer. Lovely engine, comfortable inside, but most importantly one hell of a lot more reliable and cheaper to run than anything old and German.

Not too sure about the carbon bonnet and bright orange paint on this particular example, they look better in blue, but fantastic cars overall.

Trevor555

4,425 posts

84 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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26.2mpg lol

Must have been something wrong with mine.

BIRMA? What Mpg average are you getting?

BIRMA

3,807 posts

194 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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Trevor555 said:
26.2mpg lol

Must have been something wrong with mine.

BIRMA? What Mpg average are you getting?
20, but I do like to use it going up to max revs in each gear, well up to 3rd at least. Although on a trip to Birmingham keeping within speed limits due to cameras I did get 29 in auto.

Trevor555

4,425 posts

84 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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BIRMA said:
Trevor555 said:
26.2mpg lol

Must have been something wrong with mine.

BIRMA? What Mpg average are you getting?
20, but I do like to use it going up to max revs in each gear, well up to 3rd at least. Although on a trip to Birmingham keeping within speed limits due to cameras I did get 29 in auto.
Mmmm, I think there may have actually been something wrong with mine then.

16mpg mostly around town, with the odd squirt of power when out on the open road.

22mpg was the best I saw when trying on a couple of longer runs.

Mine did feel painfully unresponsive at low revs, so I'm now thinking, along with the low Mpg, there could have been something wrong.

Edited by Trevor555 on Monday 29th June 18:04

BIRMA

3,807 posts

194 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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Trevor555 said:
Mmmm, I think there may have actually been something wrong with mine then.

16mpg mostly around town, with the odd squirt of power when out on the open road.

22mpg was the best I saw when trying on a couple of longer runs.

Mine did feel painfully unresponsive at low revs, so I'm now thinking, along with the low Mpg, there could have been something wrong.

Edited by Trevor555 on Monday 29th June 18:04
Yes, I remember you saying that you were of the opinion it felt a bit lack lustre on a previous thread. It did make me wonder because mine although a 2017 model was so different to your experience.
I did read somewhere that a software update was needed on the cars and wonder if your dealer was perhaps not aware.
Having said that in standard auto-mode mine is in 5th just a couple of hundred metres down the road, if i use it in manual I'm not even out of second gear.

A note for anyone thinking of trying an RCF, wait until it's warmed up fully then stick it into Sports+ and use manual. Tell the salesman that someone who knows these cars a lot better than him told you it was okay to rev it to the limit. Caution, it does rev so easily/enthusiastically it will bounce off the rev limiter before you know it.

Trevor555

4,425 posts

84 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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BIRMA said:
Yes, I remember you saying that you were of the opinion it felt a bit lack lustre on a previous thread. It did make me wonder because mine although a 2017 model was so different to your experience.
I did read somewhere that a software update was needed on the cars and wonder if your dealer was perhaps not aware.
Having said that in standard auto-mode mine is in 5th just a couple of hundred metres down the road, if i use it in manual I'm not even out of second gear.
I'll have to try another one some time as I really loved that car.

I had the fuel pump recall done.

I'm now convinced there was something wrong with it. Mapping or even blocked cats..

Did the Quicksilver exhaust make any performance difference? Or MPG difference?

BIRMA

3,807 posts

194 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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Trevor555 said:
I'll have to try another one some time as I really loved that car.

I had the fuel pump recall done.

I'm now convinced there was something wrong with it. Mapping or even blocked cats..

Did the Quicksilver exhaust make any performance difference? Or MPG difference?
If I'm honest I couldn't tell the difference before and after the Quicksilver, I just hated the castrated/muted standard exhaust note, plus when I took it off it weighed a ton. Perhaps with it breathing a lot easier they may be a small gain in the already quite adequate 470 odd BHP.
If I were to do it again I'd be tempted by the much more expensive GT Haus or Armytrix exhausts as they have a solenoid switch to open them up and they do sound very good. At motorway speeds you can adjust your throttle to more or less silence the Quicksilver but touch the throttle and you hear it.
Having said that the optional Mark Levinson sound system is superb and can easily drown out the exhaust with no distortion.

Trevor555

4,425 posts

84 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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BIRMA said:
Trevor555 said:
I'll have to try another one some time as I really loved that car.

I had the fuel pump recall done.

I'm now convinced there was something wrong with it. Mapping or even blocked cats..

Did the Quicksilver exhaust make any performance difference? Or MPG difference?
If I'm honest I couldn't tell the difference before and after the Quicksilver, I just hated the castrated/muted standard exhaust note, plus when I took it off it weighed a ton. Perhaps with it breathing a lot easier they may be a small gain in the already quite adequate 470 odd BHP.
If I were to do it again I'd be tempted by the much more expensive GT Haus or Armytrix exhausts as they have a solenoid switch to open them up and they do sound very good. At motorway speeds you can adjust your throttle to more or less silence the Quicksilver but touch the throttle and you hear it.
Having said that the optional Mark Levinson sound system is superb and can easily drown out the exhaust with no distortion.
Ok, thank you.

I might find myself buying another so I'll explore the exhaust options.

I currently have a deposit on a GR Yaris subject to road testing it later this year. It'll have to be exceptional for me to spend the 30k, otherwise it'll be RCF, Mustang, M2, or maybe a 370z Nismo at a lower budget.