RE: INEOS Grenadier officially unveiled
Discussion
loveice said:
TATA, please buy the rights of this and call it the new Defender, and rebadge the new Defender as Discovery 6. I have no problem as this wasn't designed or developed by LR, in fact I don't mind if INEOS/Magna continue to build and improve it over the years. G-Class was almost solely done by Magna anyway. And at least we will have a British build Defender if it matters.
Would you then buy one?
I like it. I think. I'm not keen on the black bits all over the doors and below the windows, but I guess on a darker paint they would look less obvious. An auto option is a must as that was the one biggest thing which put the OH off a Defender. Are they planning a BEV version at all?
Overall I think both INEOS and JLR have achieved their design objectives. I think most (potential) buyers will instinctively know which one they are most likely to go for, I can't imagine there is much crossover. Very much a form vs function decision.
Overall I think both INEOS and JLR have achieved their design objectives. I think most (potential) buyers will instinctively know which one they are most likely to go for, I can't imagine there is much crossover. Very much a form vs function decision.
It looks interesting. I applaud their insistence on utility.
I wonder how useful it will be to utilities and farmers without needing to spec lots of options / bespoke kit? How many people will need the added utility over a Japanese pickup, though?
It must be very challenging to build a completely new vehicle that will be reliable, well-designed in all aspects, with good technical/parts support and cost effective for a business user.
I wonder how useful it will be to utilities and farmers without needing to spec lots of options / bespoke kit? How many people will need the added utility over a Japanese pickup, though?
It must be very challenging to build a completely new vehicle that will be reliable, well-designed in all aspects, with good technical/parts support and cost effective for a business user.
Well in certainly more in the new jlr defender/disco target market for lifestyle use. But I prefer this to any other alternative. I wouldn’t be comfortable with a jlr engine given the frequency of oil dilution and snapped crank shafts. A bmw 3l single turbo diesel and zf8hp autobox represents drive train perfection in this segment. Given the serious off road ability and a child proof interior this would make a perfect caravan tower, canoe mover, bike mover, kid mover, dog mover etc. Just hope it’s also comfy enough for longer distances at 70mph without too much back pain and unacceptable levels of noise.
To me it looks more like the old base spec g wagen than an old defender. Especially head on.
To me it looks more like the old base spec g wagen than an old defender. Especially head on.
Edited by ducnick on Wednesday 1st July 08:36
595Heaven said:
It is quite a busy design, with lots going on.
Ribbed and dotted doors for extra sensation. What looks like the the biggest fuel filler flap ever. Perhaps it covers fuel / AdBlue and protects for a charging port?
As it says in article I think it's actually a hatch to store wet items in a sealed box in boot. Seems like a genius idea.Ribbed and dotted doors for extra sensation. What looks like the the biggest fuel filler flap ever. Perhaps it covers fuel / AdBlue and protects for a charging port?
Edited by EyeHeartSpellin on Wednesday 1st July 08:36
Unless it's significantly nicer to sit in and drive than an old Defender then I doubt they'll be winning the lifestyle/fashion market as it's brand oriented. People will just carry on buying rebuilt old Defenders as I doubt there will be much difference in cost. There's still plenty of them about after all.
Personally unless they've got a load of utility customers lined up for them then I reckon it'll be dead within 5 years.
Personally unless they've got a load of utility customers lined up for them then I reckon it'll be dead within 5 years.
loveice said:
TATA, please buy the rights of this and call it the new Defender, and rebadge the new Defender as Discovery 6. I have no problem as this wasn't designed or developed by LR, in fact I don't mind if INEOS/Magna continue to build and improve it over the years. G-Class was almost solely done by Magna anyway. And at least we will have a British build Defender if it matters.
I suspect that if INEOS, (which I think is one of the world’s largest petro-chemical firms?) offered TATA a fiver a mouldy grape, then TATA would off load JLR, faster than you can say Grenadier Defender...... but Sir Jim is a bit smarter than that..The Wookie said:
Unless it's significantly nicer to sit in and drive than an old Defender then I doubt they'll be winning the lifestyle/fashion market as it's brand oriented. People will just carry on buying rebuilt old Defenders as I doubt there will be much difference in cost. There's still plenty of them about after all.
Personally unless they've got a load of utility customers lined up for them then I reckon it'll be dead within 5 years.
His Ineos Chemical group is worth £80billion so surely all those sites and pipe networks that need regular inspection will be ordering the pickup! Probably give them a good start. . . Personally unless they've got a load of utility customers lined up for them then I reckon it'll be dead within 5 years.
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