RE: INEOS Grenadier officially unveiled
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RacerMike said:
l354uge said:
If you want to help UK automotive, buy a range rover sport or disco sport. JLR probably have more cleaners on staff than ineos have on this entire white elephant project.
Just because JLR are owned by Tata and not some tax dodging, gas fracking British billionaire doesn't mean most of your purchase price doesn't go to British staff/suppliers. Look at how house prices in Leamington Spa have exploded since the new era of JLR to see how important it is to the west Midlands alone.
:laugh Couldn't have summed it up better myself. And as for Leamington.....I'm lucky I could afford a 2 bed Victorian Terrace....Just because JLR are owned by Tata and not some tax dodging, gas fracking British billionaire doesn't mean most of your purchase price doesn't go to British staff/suppliers. Look at how house prices in Leamington Spa have exploded since the new era of JLR to see how important it is to the west Midlands alone.
camel_landy said:
l354uge said:
If you want to help UK automotive, buy a range rover sport or disco sport...
BINGO!You could also go for a Range Rover but unfortunately NOT Defender or Disco 5.
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RacerMike said:
Come on now. The UK factories didn’t have capacity to build them...
Granted but IMO they should have built something in the UK instead.INEOS have shown there's a potential site in Bridgend, there's also the old Ford site in Swansea and don't forget there's Honda's site in Swindon. All of which have good transport links into the midlands.
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camel_landy said:
RacerMike said:
Come on now. The UK factories didn’t have capacity to build them...
Granted but IMO they should have built something in the UK instead.INEOS have shown there's a potential site in Bridgend, there's also the old Ford site in Swansea and don't forget there's Honda's site in Swindon. All of which have good transport links into the midlands.
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In contrast, existing British factories are doing pretty well out of hoovering up lines coming from closed overseas plants.
If you were only going to buy it due to it's perceived nationality, then you'd likely not have bought it once you saw the badges on the wings. Surely if it's overall the right vehicle for you the longer term prospects of the company are important?
Or would you genuinely like them to waste millions when they've (literally in the last week or two) found out about a new option that could save them a fortune?
Note, none of the above has any influence relating to brexit.
Jimmy Recard said:
No, I'm not. It's neither an achievement, nor was it ever a goal of mine. It simply happened, as far as I'm concerned. I feel neither pride nor shame for it.
This to me there is something strange and sad about this kind of alienation. Almost every nation worldwide has some kind of attachment to its people, land, heritage, history, etc., and they don't seem to feel the need to act as if there's something distasteful about it, indeed, they celebrate it. This rootlessness and apparent desire to consider yourself separate - superior perhaps? - to your flag waving countrymen is the abberation here, and I'd suggest there's something shameful about it. How should we think of someone that does not express loyalty to their country or countrymen?camel_landy said:
Granted but IMO they should have built something in the UK instead.
INEOS have shown there's a potential site in Bridgend, there's also the old Ford site in Swansea and don't forget there's Honda's site in Swindon. All of which have good transport links into the midlands.
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Sadly they just can’t risk building everything in the UK. We are just lucky that the amount that has remained is as large as it is. It would be poor corporate governance to remain 100% exposed to a country that has no trade deals of any value anywhere and unknown fx risk. INEOS have shown there's a potential site in Bridgend, there's also the old Ford site in Swansea and don't forget there's Honda's site in Swindon. All of which have good transport links into the midlands.
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growlerowl said:
Jimmy Recard said:
No, I'm not. It's neither an achievement, nor was it ever a goal of mine. It simply happened, as far as I'm concerned. I feel neither pride nor shame for it.
This to me there is something strange and sad about this kind of alienation. Almost every nation worldwide has some kind of attachment to its people, land, heritage, history, etc., and they don't seem to feel the need to act as if there's something distasteful about it, indeed, they celebrate it. This rootlessness and apparent desire to consider yourself separate - superior perhaps? - to your flag waving countrymen is the abberation here, and I'd suggest there's something shameful about it. How should we think of someone that does not express loyalty to their country or countrymen?Great example is the fact that I identify more with Swedish culture than I do with British....they're actually quite similar, but I spent a lot of time as a kid in Sweden, both my parents speak the language, and it's played a huge part in my life as I've grown up.
So in conclusion, I agree entirely with Jimmy. We all happen to have been born in the UK. Whether we identify as British is entirely personal. Whether I do or not though does not weaken the national identity. And in the same way, many people from Europe move here and identify as being British because they feel it aligns with their cultural values. Why should one feel threatened though that being part of a bigger unified area threatens our culture? Look at the US and tell me it's one amorphous blob. They're all part of the US but I can guarantee you that New Mexico is about as far removed from NY state as Bulgaria is from England.
Sway said:
camel_landy said:
RacerMike said:
Come on now. The UK factories didn’t have capacity to build them...
Granted but IMO they should have built something in the UK instead.INEOS have shown there's a potential site in Bridgend, there's also the old Ford site in Swansea and don't forget there's Honda's site in Swindon. All of which have good transport links into the midlands.
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growlerowl said:
Evanivitch said:
"Hey you, invaded persons, 100 British Gallons of your finest Derv please, no not the watery stuff, the stuff you keep for invading forces. Carry on!"
Cracks at the French are unfounded in this instance, they probably have the best Wheeled Armoured manoeuvre units in Europe.
Indeed, I hear their kit is particularly well furnished with reverse gears.Cracks at the French are unfounded in this instance, they probably have the best Wheeled Armoured manoeuvre units in Europe.
Someone had to
growlerowl said:
Jimmy Recard said:
No, I'm not. It's neither an achievement, nor was it ever a goal of mine. It simply happened, as far as I'm concerned. I feel neither pride nor shame for it.
This to me there is something strange and sad about this kind of alienation. Almost every nation worldwide has some kind of attachment to its people, land, heritage, history, etc., and they don't seem to feel the need to act as if there's something distasteful about it, indeed, they celebrate it. This rootlessness and apparent desire to consider yourself separate - superior perhaps? - to your flag waving countrymen is the abberation here, and I'd suggest there's something shameful about it. How should we think of someone that does not express loyalty to their country or countrymen?
camel_landy said:
Sway said:
camel_landy said:
RacerMike said:
Come on now. The UK factories didn’t have capacity to build them...
Granted but IMO they should have built something in the UK instead.INEOS have shown there's a potential site in Bridgend, there's also the old Ford site in Swansea and don't forget there's Honda's site in Swindon. All of which have good transport links into the midlands.
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If you're referring to Land Rover, why would they build a new factory, instead of contract manufacturing that they're doing with much less risky or capital intensive startup?
AngryPartsBloke said:
soxboy said:
Article on Autocar website:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/confir...
I can't see a way forward for Wales on this one.
P6 will be pleased.https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/confir...
I can't see a way forward for Wales on this one.
Sway said:
It would be particularly daft, and potentially massively irresponsible to the staff concerned, to build an entirely new plant when the whole industry has realised there is massive overcapacity and there's one now available (likely for an utter song) that's perfect for their needs other than it's not based in the UK...
In contrast, existing British factories are doing pretty well out of hoovering up lines coming from closed overseas plants.
If you were only going to buy it due to it's perceived nationality, then you'd likely not have bought it once you saw the badges on the wings. Surely if it's overall the right vehicle for you the longer term prospects of the company are important?
Or would you genuinely like them to waste millions when they've (literally in the last week or two) found out about a new option that could save them a fortune?
Note, none of the above has any influence relating to brexit.
I cannot disagree with a word of the above.In contrast, existing British factories are doing pretty well out of hoovering up lines coming from closed overseas plants.
If you were only going to buy it due to it's perceived nationality, then you'd likely not have bought it once you saw the badges on the wings. Surely if it's overall the right vehicle for you the longer term prospects of the company are important?
Or would you genuinely like them to waste millions when they've (literally in the last week or two) found out about a new option that could save them a fortune?
Note, none of the above has any influence relating to brexit.
MC Bodge said:
AnotherClarkey said:
I wonder what name the risible Roverp6b will come up with for it now?
He's probably too busy planning to storm the Normandy beaches. Gassing Station | INEOS | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff