RE: New e-tron S is the first fast Audi EV

RE: New e-tron S is the first fast Audi EV

Thursday 2nd July 2020

New e-tron S is the first fast Audi EV

503hp and 718lb ft confirmed for latest Audi S, price from £87k



Not so long ago, the fast Audi formula was pretty simple, because it was an A4 or A6 Avant with as much V8 as could be crammed betwixt headlight and bulkhead. With popularity came expansion of the range, incorporating coupes, SUVs, and even diesels with the SQ5 of 2013. Now there's another avenue being pursued by the Audi S empire: EVs.

This e-tron S and e-tron S Sportback pair are Audi's first foray into electrified performance motoring, and expect many more to follow in their wake. Described as a "significant milestone" for the e-tron brand, the S models are notable for not being just slightly hotted up versions of a standard 55-badged car. They are in fact the first "volume production" battery electric vehicles to use three electric motors (two at the rear, one upfront), which it won't surprise you to learn brings some appropriately swift acceleration numbers.


With a total of 503hp from the trio of motors, plus 718lb of peak torque available in eight-second overboosts, the e-tron S can reach 62mph in 4.5 seconds and a top speed of 130mph. Which is more than fast enough for an 'S'-badged car - what might an RS do? The range is rated at 223 miles for the standard car on WLTP and 226 for the Sportback, with the 95kWh battery having a usable 86kWh.

The setup of those motors is interesting beyond the bare stats, too. Typically the e-tron uses only the rear pair, with the front one (basically an e tron 55 rear motor adapted for this installation) called upon only if extra traction or power is needed. The rear motors can apportion their force to each wheel as required in milliseconds, and it's said that "on challenging roads" is where the e tron delivers its best.

To that end, the air suspension has had an 'S' rework and the powertrain has a more pronounced rearward bias than a standard car; it's said that with drive select to 'dynamic' and the ESC backed off slightly, the e tron S gains an "an even more adjustable" cornering attitude and the ability to perform controlled drifts. Just make sure there's plenty of space for that; even on a runway these look like big cars...


They're even larger than standard e-trons actually, with 5cm added to the width of both S models - note the wider wheel arches compared to a regular model. They also receive the trademark silver mirrors and standard 21-inch wheels - 22s are optional.

The e-tron S and e-tron S Sportback will be available to order "from summer 2020" (which we assume must be about now) and all customers ordering before 2021 will receive a complimentary wall box charger. A useful saving, though at £87,000 and £88,700 for the Sportback, the e tron S isn't exactly aimed at those switching to electric motoring to save the pennies. At present, the cars face no obvious rivals given the lack of performance derivatives for both the Mercedes EQ C and Jaguar i-Pace. In fact, the strongest competition it might face is from within, and alternative S-badged Audis; the 435hp SQ8 TDI costs from £81,740...








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P-Jay

Original Poster:

10,564 posts

191 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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I quite like that, not massive range compared to what Tesla quote,but I guess this will be trickle down from the Taycan so it'll have that high-voltage fast charging tech, well once there are some charging stations anyway.


SuperPav

1,084 posts

125 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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This car is not a J1 based car, it is PPE, therefore no relation to Taycan at all.

4.5 seconds for a "fast" EV is embarrassingly slow, I don't know why PH say that's fast enough. It's quick, don't get me wrong, but £90k for an "S" Audi that can't out-accelerate an S3? Come on... A mid-range Model 3 or an entry Model S are both faster...
Not sure what Audi are doing with their EV's but they seem to have shocking efficiency and very poor performance given how much power they've got and the size of motors they're using.

They look good and are comfortable, but it's the only EV I've driven where I genuinely experienced range anxiety, the real world range of the E-Tron (non S model) I had was ~160 miles. Having driven I-PACE's before, this was a bit unexpected.

P-Jay

Original Poster:

10,564 posts

191 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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SuperPav said:
This car is not a J1 based car, it is PPE, therefore no relation to Taycan at all.

4.5 seconds for a "fast" EV is embarrassingly slow, I don't know why PH say that's fast enough. It's quick, don't get me wrong, but £90k for an "S" Audi that can't out-accelerate an S3? Come on... A mid-range Model 3 or an entry Model S are both faster...
Not sure what Audi are doing with their EV's but they seem to have shocking efficiency and very poor performance given how much power they've got and the size of motors they're using.

They look good and are comfortable, but it's the only EV I've driven where I genuinely experienced range anxiety, the real world range of the E-Tron (non S model) I had was ~160 miles. Having driven I-PACE's before, this was a bit unexpected.
I don't know whay J1 / PPE is, but are we saying that VW that own Porsche, Audi and VW and allowing their sub-brands all to develop their own EV tech? Why would you do that?

HardtopManual

2,427 posts

166 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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What do they call these in France?

Frimley111R

15,644 posts

234 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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SuperPav said:
4.5 seconds for a "fast" EV is embarrassingly slow,
Top PH type quote hehe

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

234 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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HardtopManual said:


What do they call these in France?
smile

Says it all really. A big pile of eTron...

J4CKO

41,515 posts

200 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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SuperPav said:
This car is not a J1 based car, it is PPE, therefore no relation to Taycan at all.

4.5 seconds for a "fast" EV is embarrassingly slow, I don't know why PH say that's fast enough. It's quick, don't get me wrong, but £90k for an "S" Audi that can't out-accelerate an S3? Come on... A mid-range Model 3 or an entry Model S are both faster...
Not sure what Audi are doing with their EV's but they seem to have shocking efficiency and very poor performance given how much power they've got and the size of motors they're using.

They look good and are comfortable, but it's the only EV I've driven where I genuinely experienced range anxiety, the real world range of the E-Tron (non S model) I had was ~160 miles. Having driven I-PACE's before, this was a bit unexpected.
Get this, its a bit weird but some people dont buy a car solely based on their Top Trumps cards !

Shocking isnt it, some folk are actually happy with getting to sixty miles an hour in a leisurely 4.5 seconds and arent going to be staging drag races with every other car like they are the bloke from CarWow.







BogBeast

1,136 posts

263 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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Apart from a hatch, not sure why I would buy this over my Model 3 performance

Slower and lower range and no access to a ubiquitous fast charge network.

all for 20 grand odd extra .... confused

Numeric

1,396 posts

151 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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BogBeast said:
Apart from a hatch, not sure why I would buy this over my Model 3 performance

Slower and lower range and no access to a ubiquitous fast charge network.

all for 20 grand odd extra .... confused
I agree - it does look very nice and I am sure the fit and finish and quality feel is way above the Teslas I have poked around in - but the technology seems very at odds with teh price. Like buying an I-fone 7 for I-fone latest money - and yes at the moment I do sort of see electric vehicles in this light.

And it's not top trumps for me to be able to get to Heathrow and back without charging (100 miles each way for me) - it would be horrid to always have to stop. People tell me that the best way to view range numbers is to drop by a third for safe real world range (I have no other guide so would love to be corrected) so when I see the top range Mustang can give me this if I read the stats correctly but the Audi at a massive price premium can't even do 200 miles by the calculation - well I just don't see the point.

Feels like a last gasp to peddle to those who dont check hard enough a piece of old tech

Roma101

837 posts

147 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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Numeric said:
BogBeast said:
Apart from a hatch, not sure why I would buy this over my Model 3 performance

Slower and lower range and no access to a ubiquitous fast charge network.

all for 20 grand odd extra .... confused
I agree - it does look very nice and I am sure the fit and finish and quality feel is way above the Teslas I have poked around in - but the technology seems very at odds with teh price. Like buying an I-fone 7 for I-fone latest money - and yes at the moment I do sort of see electric vehicles in this light.

And it's not top trumps for me to be able to get to Heathrow and back without charging (100 miles each way for me) - it would be horrid to always have to stop. People tell me that the best way to view range numbers is to drop by a third for safe real world range (I have no other guide so would love to be corrected) so when I see the top range Mustang can give me this if I read the stats correctly but the Audi at a massive price premium can't even do 200 miles by the calculation - well I just don't see the point.

Feels like a last gasp to peddle to those who dont check hard enough a piece of old tech
If you are not doing motorway speeds, I’d say drop by 20 pc to a quarter. If you are, then a third sounds about right! Maybe a bit more!

Motorola

53 posts

166 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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I hoped that the legacy manufacturers would be catching up to Tesla on battery and motor efficiency and power by now, so the market would have more choice. An estate BEV with Tesla range and speed would be nice. I think Tesla’s battery and motor tech is still far ahead; comparable battery capacity with a much lower range and 3 motors to give the same performance as 2 motors in a Tesla isn’t very impressive. More efficiency would mean less battery mass and cost too.

Vorix

93 posts

209 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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I agree on the performance numbers seeming poor. Over 500bhp should see this 0-60 number at 4s or below. The I-Pace does 4.5s with 395bhp. The 3rd motor must be adding a lot of extra weight to an already very heavy car. Range is appalling as well.

Mr-B

3,779 posts

194 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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HardtopManual said:


What do they call these in France?
Haha brilliant! A stinking merde of a thing it is too.

theboss

6,913 posts

219 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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SuperPav said:
This car is not a J1 based car, it is PPE, therefore no relation to Taycan at all.

4.5 seconds for a "fast" EV is embarrassingly slow, I don't know why PH say that's fast enough. It's quick, don't get me wrong, but £90k for an "S" Audi that can't out-accelerate an S3? Come on... A mid-range Model 3 or an entry Model S are both faster...
Not sure what Audi are doing with their EV's but they seem to have shocking efficiency and very poor performance given how much power they've got and the size of motors they're using.

They look good and are comfortable, but it's the only EV I've driven where I genuinely experienced range anxiety, the real world range of the E-Tron (non S model) I had was ~160 miles. Having driven I-PACE's before, this was a bit unexpected.
Last time I did 160 miles in mine I still had 32% of the battery remaining - was this during a cold snap and/or at motorway+ speeds?

Bobtherallyfan

1,267 posts

78 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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BogBeast said:
Apart from a hatch, not sure why I would buy this over my Model 3 performance

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Some of us want cars that don’t have panel gaps that look like Stevie Wonder was in charge of the production line.

hu8742

239 posts

125 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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SuperPav said:
This car is not a J1 based car, it is PPE, therefore no relation to Taycan at all.

4.5 seconds for a "fast" EV is embarrassingly slow, I don't know why PH say that's fast enough. It's quick, don't get me wrong, but £90k for an "S" Audi that can't out-accelerate an S3? Come on... A mid-range Model 3 or an entry Model S are both faster...
Not sure what Audi are doing with their EV's but they seem to have shocking efficiency and very poor performance given how much power they've got and the size of motors they're using.

They look good and are comfortable, but it's the only EV I've driven where I genuinely experienced range anxiety, the real world range of the E-Tron (non S model) I had was ~160 miles. Having driven I-PACE's before, this was a bit unexpected.
Spot on. Not that quick, not great range. I'm sure build quality is good but other than that, way, way behind Tesla.

stabilio

568 posts

171 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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Whatever you think of Tesla, they are miles ahead of the traditional ‘big boys’ in the EV market. How does the Audi have such a big battery, with 3 motors yet get such poor performance?

Discombobulate

4,831 posts

186 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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BogBeast said:
Apart from a hatch, not sure why I would buy this over my Model 3 performance

Slower and lower range and no access to a ubiquitous fast charge network.

all for 20 grand odd extra .... confused
At least it’s not as ugly as the Tesla.

Mouse Rat

1,808 posts

92 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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hu8742 said:
SuperPav said:
This car is not a J1 based car, it is PPE, therefore no relation to Taycan at all.

4.5 seconds for a "fast" EV is embarrassingly slow, I don't know why PH say that's fast enough. It's quick, don't get me wrong, but £90k for an "S" Audi that can't out-accelerate an S3? Come on... A mid-range Model 3 or an entry Model S are both faster...
Not sure what Audi are doing with their EV's but they seem to have shocking efficiency and very poor performance given how much power they've got and the size of motors they're using.

They look good and are comfortable, but it's the only EV I've driven where I genuinely experienced range anxiety, the real world range of the E-Tron (non S model) I had was ~160 miles. Having driven I-PACE's before, this was a bit unexpected.
Spot on. Not that quick, not great range. I'm sure build quality is good but other than that, way, way behind Tesla.
This week I've driven the Model 3 performance and mid level E-Tron. They are totally different, here's my thoughts

The Tesla very obviously has been designed as a EV from the ground up. As an EV its superior in everyway, its efficient, quick, nimble, easy to use, minimalistic and best of all has the charging infrastructure to support everyday use. I see why owners are smug gets, you feel everyone else is driving the past.
But as a car its dull, cheap, bland, tacky and very much a consumable. If it had a petrol engine it would be terrible.

The Audi as an EV is 3/5 of the Tesla. Slower (still quick for a car), less range, heavy and clumsy and reliant on a inconsistent and patchy infrastructure.
As a car its wonderful. Im no fan of the Q5, Q7 but the E-turd looks fantastic. With the smaller wheels and high profile tyres it look just right. The interior is wonderful and lightyears ahead of the model 3. Its a nice place to be.

I loved both of these oddballs . The Tesla is a whitegoods tool, designed to to get from A-B. The Audi is a flawed luxury item.

I'm hopping the Polestar 2 is the happy medium of a great car and EV.










Speedgelb

857 posts

153 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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Mouse Rat said:
With the smaller wheels and high profile tyres it look just right.
Agree with the rest of your post, but can't get past this - funny what passes for smaller wheels these days hehe