RE: 911 Turbo S Cabriolet vs. McLaren 600LT Spider

RE: 911 Turbo S Cabriolet vs. McLaren 600LT Spider

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rbozza

36 posts

82 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Great article. A few thoughts...

The appeal of the 911 Turbo Cab- I was talking to my missus last week and saying how ideally I need 4 cars, eg motorway daily cruiser (e63), a small car for snotting to shops (old cooper S), a gt cabrolet for weekends away (mazza grand cab) and a sports car for driving like an idiot (exige).

Or get the 911 turbo that pretty much does 4 cars in one.

The appeal of a Mac- I know a couple of people who’ve got them (570 / 600 / 720) and they keep going back and buying another one. Apparently once you’ve driven one they get under your skin. I’ve a friend with Conti GT (new shape In blue nice car) and 720, and he has pretty much binned off using the GT as the 720 is so usable everyday. The depreciation is savage but if you’re prepared to spend money on fun then that’s your choice.






RudeDog

1,652 posts

174 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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£940 red brake calipers (From the list of options for the 600LT)

...for a spot of red paint???

ddom

6,657 posts

48 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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RudeDog said:
£940 red brake calipers (From the list of options for the 600LT)

...for a spot of red paint???
That’s not too bad tbh. Plenty of worse examples of daft option list prices. Porsche corner the market in those actually smile

C.MW

473 posts

69 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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In summary, both turn really well, go really fast but the McLaren is the one that offers more tactile experience.

I find it difficult to get my head around how far the 911 has drifted from its original appeal in such a short time. Just a decade ago, the 911 was, whether it be a base Carrera or a Turbo, something that would not lose to anything on that front. Maybe except a Lotus or a Caterham or something of that ilk.

TheOctaneAddict

757 posts

47 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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A strange comparison this.

The 600LT is a proper supercar, an event to drive and a car to enjoy, but it couldn't be your sole car.

The Turbo S is a compromise but a very good one. You could daily a Turbo S and enjoy every second, but it lacks the special feel of a proper exotic supercar.

It all comes down to what do you want? A weekend toy or a do it all daily?

TyrannosauRoss Lex

35,050 posts

212 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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C.MW said:
In summary, both turn really well, go really fast but the McLaren is the one that offers more tactile experience.

I find it difficult to get my head around how far the 911 has drifted from its original appeal in such a short time. Just a decade ago, the 911 was, whether it be a base Carrera or a Turbo, something that would not lose to anything on that front. Maybe except a Lotus or a Caterham or something of that ilk.
For the most part they still are right up there, but Porsche weren't competing with cars from McLaren Automotive 10 years ago.

Edited by TyrannosauRoss Lex on Monday 6th July 10:13

bennno

11,607 posts

269 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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C.MW said:
In summary, both turn really well, go really fast but the McLaren is the one that offers more tactile experience.

I find it difficult to get my head around how far the 911 has drifted from its original appeal in such a short time. Just a decade ago, the 911 was, whether it be a base Carrera or a Turbo, something that would not lose to anything on that front. Maybe except a Lotus or a Caterham or something of that ilk.
Its become a GT. If the same drivetrains as fitted were also available in the Cayman and its interior upgraded to the quality of the 911 then even at the same price I suspect many who buy for the driving experience would buy that.


Edited by bennno on Monday 6th July 12:25

av185

18,502 posts

127 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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ddom said:
RudeDog said:
£940 red brake calipers (From the list of options for the 600LT)

...for a spot of red paint???
That’s not too bad tbh. Plenty of worse examples of daft option list prices. Porsche corner the market in those actually smile
Porsche options are reasonable value unless you go ott on the exclusive options.

Price up Ferrari options if you think Porsche are expensive.

Ares

11,000 posts

120 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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£35k between them on list price......£70,000 between them as tested which is possibly the more representative figure.

That £70k would buy a hell of a lightweight track car to fill the void the 600 leaves in rawness above the 911, but leave the daily use/4-seater ability intact?

bennno

11,607 posts

269 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Ares said:
£35k between them on list price......£70,000 between them as tested which is possibly the more representative figure.

That £70k would buy a hell of a lightweight track car to fill the void the 600 leaves in rawness above the 911, but leave the daily use/4-seater ability intact?
You'd be better off with a lightly used 600LT for £25k less than the 911 costs in basic spec.

You could then buy EClass Merc estate / Golf R / RRS / Whatever for daily use.

a6khu

106 posts

227 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Comparing a fish to a playstation - where do you come up with these cracking jokes?!

tjw110

496 posts

222 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Assuming if your spending the thick end of £200k on a car it's not the only one you own, so you may well have a, "proper" super car & options for a daily

The McLaren looks very special but based on previous Mclaren reliability issues you wont see much of it to enjoy the way it looks

The 992 looks good, will do everything it sets out to, every time & wont depreciate anything like the Mclaren

For me the 992 wins on everything except looks

Ares

11,000 posts

120 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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bennno said:
Ares said:
£35k between them on list price......£70,000 between them as tested which is possibly the more representative figure.

That £70k would buy a hell of a lightweight track car to fill the void the 600 leaves in rawness above the 911, but leave the daily use/4-seater ability intact?
You'd be better off with a lightly used 600LT for £25k less than the 911 costs in basic spec.

You could then buy EClass Merc estate / Golf R / RRS / Whatever for daily use.
Or if we are in the New vs Old, 'make it up as you go along' game, buy a lightly used 911 Turbo S and buy a private jet with the change?

bennno

11,607 posts

269 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Ares said:
bennno said:
Ares said:
£35k between them on list price......£70,000 between them as tested which is possibly the more representative figure.

That £70k would buy a hell of a lightweight track car to fill the void the 600 leaves in rawness above the 911, but leave the daily use/4-seater ability intact?
You'd be better off with a lightly used 600LT for £25k less than the 911 costs in basic spec.

You could then buy EClass Merc estate / Golf R / RRS / Whatever for daily use.
Or if we are in the New vs Old, 'make it up as you go along' game, buy a lightly used 911 Turbo S and buy a private jet with the change?
Given the 600LT is already discontinued my suggestion stands, which is to buy a lightly used one and an every day car for the price of the new 992 Turbo.

Ot alternatively as you have said, buy the 992 plus spend 70k on a track car to spend the the budget of a fully optioned 600LT thats discontinued and cant be purchased....



Edited by bennno on Monday 6th July 14:27

TheJimi

24,950 posts

243 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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911 for me, no question.

Not in that colour though.

Leftfootwonder

1,116 posts

58 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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I can't say I'm a fan of the 'cyclopes' camera on the front of the 992. Like the A/C condensers, which always get smashed up by stones, this will be too. Why Porsche don't put some sort of protection over these points, when they're front facing and so low to the ground, is beyond me.


Walter Sobchak

5,723 posts

224 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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I’m not a huge fan of Mclarens overall, seen a few up close and driven one briefly, it’s their interior I don’t particularly like and the chassis design and lowness that makes getting in and out not the most pleasant experience plus, there’s no denying they’re rather special to drive though and I can see the appeal, for me , I’d pick the 911 though or the F8 Spider in the other article, now that is gorgeous.

Matty3

1,176 posts

84 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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tjw110 said:
Assuming if your spending the thick end of £200k on a car it's not the only one you own, so you may well have a, "proper" super car & options for a daily

The McLaren looks very special but based on previous Mclaren reliability issues you wont see much of it to enjoy the way it looks

The 992 looks good, will do everything it sets out to, every time & wont depreciate anything like the Mclaren

For me the 992 wins on everything except looks
Please tell your actual Mac experience?

Mosdef

1,733 posts

227 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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Audemars said:
The McLaren is a supercar.

The ugly Porsche is a fast ordinary bland BMW M/Merc AMG/Audi RS competitor. Totally different segment.
yep, those 911s are all based on 2 litre diesel rep-mobiles.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

35,050 posts

212 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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Mosdef said:
Audemars said:
The McLaren is a supercar.

The ugly Porsche is a fast ordinary bland BMW M/Merc AMG/Audi RS competitor. Totally different segment.
yep, those 911s are all based on 2 litre diesel rep-mobiles.
Yep, rear engined ones too!