RE: Jaguar E-Type V8 | The Brave Pill
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Most interesting. I remember a racing version back in the 60s.. It was a one-off called an Egal. E-type body and a Ford Galaxy engine. A beast of a car. Incidentally, and with reference to an earlier correspondent., the early E-type fixed head coupe is possibly the most beautiful car ever made although the earlier Ferrari 250 GT of about 1960 is a strong contender. The E-type convertible, like most other variations of coupe bodies - though better than most - is still a bit of a bathtub.
WJNB said:
The spinner of plates said:
Before my time so I don’t really ‘get’ the E-type. Neither the styling not how it drives.
My dads friend has one in his collection, they both fawn over it.
I can respect it’s place in history, but that is all, I’d never actually want one.
Believe me they all drive horribly, although in-period they were acceptable, just.. Only good for posing nowadays. As for that V8 wart-like contraption it's a real ugly cockup.My dads friend has one in his collection, they both fawn over it.
I can respect it’s place in history, but that is all, I’d never actually want one.
They're a car for those with rose tints.
Hugely expensive to restore correctly as well..
Dr G said:
unsprung said:
To take the p***, let's turn this project up to 11:
-- Remake the bonnet so that it has not one, but two, humps
-- Replace the V8 with a rotary
-- Apply bumper sticker to the rear: "Las Malvinas son Argentinas"
Make it a quad rotor and tub the rear end -- Remake the bonnet so that it has not one, but two, humps
-- Replace the V8 with a rotary
-- Apply bumper sticker to the rear: "Las Malvinas son Argentinas"
I can understand why it happened years ago, but it definitely limits the value of the car now. A bit like all those Triumph Stags that got Rover V8s fitted after the Triumph V8 broke!
But with LHD and a Ford V8 surely the best place to sell that must be the States.
I've also read countless articles about the E-Type 150mph top speed and seem to remember a journalist from that era bought the original road test car in a sorry state some years later (maybe Bill Boddy?) and there was an article detailing all the non-standard mods found when it was stripped down. But even 130mph plus must have been amazing back in the 60s - my Dad had a 1964 Hillman Minx that struggled to get past 80mph!
As for looks I grew up always wanting the FHC since the day a primary school class-mate turned up with the red Corgi model of one (he got all the new models as his mum worked in a toy shop). I'm struggling to think of any drop-head car I like the look of TBH - unless the roof is down but this is England after all so Id rather have a roof!
But with LHD and a Ford V8 surely the best place to sell that must be the States.
I've also read countless articles about the E-Type 150mph top speed and seem to remember a journalist from that era bought the original road test car in a sorry state some years later (maybe Bill Boddy?) and there was an article detailing all the non-standard mods found when it was stripped down. But even 130mph plus must have been amazing back in the 60s - my Dad had a 1964 Hillman Minx that struggled to get past 80mph!
As for looks I grew up always wanting the FHC since the day a primary school class-mate turned up with the red Corgi model of one (he got all the new models as his mum worked in a toy shop). I'm struggling to think of any drop-head car I like the look of TBH - unless the roof is down but this is England after all so Id rather have a roof!
I dont get that reverential about E Types, they can look cool but most look over prepared. They are too long and the wheels sit too far in (even by the standards of the day) lot of the time like a Commer van.
So many are like they are straight off a greetings card in some lame colour, like a lot of Ferraris and stuff like that, too clean, shiny and prissy, looks so much cooler looking well used an E Type. Its like people who show dogs and wont let them get dirty.
I like the FHC, its from the same school of ungainly design, that somehow works on the Z3M Coupe.
Plenty of originals out there, one with the wrong engine, not the end of the world, probably better than the V12 Jaguar plonked in it, nice engine but too big and heavy.
So many are like they are straight off a greetings card in some lame colour, like a lot of Ferraris and stuff like that, too clean, shiny and prissy, looks so much cooler looking well used an E Type. Its like people who show dogs and wont let them get dirty.
I like the FHC, its from the same school of ungainly design, that somehow works on the Z3M Coupe.
Plenty of originals out there, one with the wrong engine, not the end of the world, probably better than the V12 Jaguar plonked in it, nice engine but too big and heavy.
keljimstock said:
Most interesting. I remember a racing version back in the 60s.. It was a one-off called an Egal. E-type body and a Ford Galaxy engine. A beast of a car. Incidentally, and with reference to an earlier correspondent., the early E-type fixed head coupe is possibly the most beautiful car ever made although the earlier Ferrari 250 GT of about 1960 is a strong contender. The E-type convertible, like most other variations of coupe bodies - though better than most - is still a bit of a bathtub.
If I remember correctly the Egal was raced by Rob Beck. He had an outrageous XK120 before the E Type. He lived on Tamworth Rd.
E Types surely can't be a good long term investment anymore.
There's an article in Classic Cars magazine this month about how XK150 values have started to fall as the number of people who remember them from when they were young starts to reduce. They were the model before the E Type so logically it can't be far behing.
XK150's are fairly rare. There are thousands of E Types - nearly 6000 in the UK plus the xkedata.com website is tracking over 21000 worldwide. I know of 2 they're not tracking so there must be loads more.
This is an undesirable model so I reckon you'd have to be crazy to pay that for it and even more bonkers to spend money making it original again.
There's an article in Classic Cars magazine this month about how XK150 values have started to fall as the number of people who remember them from when they were young starts to reduce. They were the model before the E Type so logically it can't be far behing.
XK150's are fairly rare. There are thousands of E Types - nearly 6000 in the UK plus the xkedata.com website is tracking over 21000 worldwide. I know of 2 they're not tracking so there must be loads more.
This is an undesirable model so I reckon you'd have to be crazy to pay that for it and even more bonkers to spend money making it original again.
Edited by tomic on Saturday 11th July 23:49
cerb4.5lee said:
Even when I was kid I never understood the love for the looks of the E-Type(in any guise). It is a shape that has never done anything for me. I've always preferred the looks of the XJS in comparison.
Same. They’re not ugly, far from it but IMO I don’t think they’re as beautiful as some people or car journos make them out to be. That said...if I won the jackpot I’d love to have a Growler E-Type Jaguar
tomic said:
E Types surely can't be a good long term investment anymore.
There's an article in Classic Cars magazine this month about how XK150 values have started to fall as the number of people who remember them from when they were young starts to reduce. They were the model before the E Type so logically it can't be far behing.
XK150's are fairly rare. There are thousands of E Types - nearly 6000 in the UK plus the xkedata.com website is tracking over 21000 worldwide. I know of 2 they're not tracking so there must be loads more.
This is an undesirable model so I reckon you'd have to be crazy to pay that for it and even more bonkers to spend money making it original again.
That is a key point, you need to have a connection to something to pay a lot of money for it, most folk will know what an E Type is, but it will be older people,mainly men that want one. I used to drive one fairly often but I never really wanted one, I am, at 49 and the lower end of the main group that would want one.There's an article in Classic Cars magazine this month about how XK150 values have started to fall as the number of people who remember them from when they were young starts to reduce. They were the model before the E Type so logically it can't be far behing.
XK150's are fairly rare. There are thousands of E Types - nearly 6000 in the UK plus the xkedata.com website is tracking over 21000 worldwide. I know of 2 they're not tracking so there must be loads more.
This is an undesirable model so I reckon you'd have to be crazy to pay that for it and even more bonkers to spend money making it original again.
Edited by tomic on Saturday 11th July 23:49
Obviously its not just age based, family connections, just wanting something different etc but the main section of owners and those who want them were kids in the sixties and are getting older.
Same for all cars, they wont perhaps drop massively, just stop increasing.
MK1 and 2 Escorts are at the Zenith of their value trajectory, as all the original owners and those who want one are over 40 and have cash, of course stuff like F and F brings new enthusiasts on board, as does just hankering for something more mechanical but the bulk are working class blokes between 40 and 60, and rally drivers.
tomic said:
There's an article in Classic Cars magazine this month about how XK150 values have started to fall as the number of people who remember them from when they were young starts to reduce. They were the model before the E Type so logically it can't be far behing.
I think the idea that when people who remembered the cars as new in boyhood die off, the value of the car in the classic market drops is a bit fanciful.It's not as if pre-war sports cars are dirt cheap.
Does anyone have figures showing that things like Jaguar SS have dropped in price over the last 10 to 20 years?
Fittster said:
tomic said:
There's an article in Classic Cars magazine this month about how XK150 values have started to fall as the number of people who remember them from when they were young starts to reduce. They were the model before the E Type so logically it can't be far behing.
I think the idea that when people who remembered the cars as new in boyhood die off, the value of the car in the classic market drops is a bit fanciful.It's not as if pre-war sports cars are dirt cheap.
Does anyone have figures showing that things like Jaguar SS have dropped in price over the last 10 to 20 years?
https://www.classiccarsmagazine.co.uk/market-insig...
Also if you watch that programme about Mathewsons Car Auctions - Bangers and Cash or something it's called, they always struggle to get good money for pre-war stuff. Most people these days would actually struggle to drive a lot of those cars.
tomic said:
I don't know about those specific models but it is definitely something that happens. Classic Car mag describe as 'diminishing generational appeal'
https://www.classiccarsmagazine.co.uk/market-insig...
Also if you watch that programme about Mathewsons Car Auctions - Bangers and Cash or something it's called, they always struggle to get good money for pre-war stuff. Most people these days would actually struggle to drive a lot of those cars.
Let's be honest, most people wouldn't want to drive any pre-war car these days! https://www.classiccarsmagazine.co.uk/market-insig...
Also if you watch that programme about Mathewsons Car Auctions - Bangers and Cash or something it's called, they always struggle to get good money for pre-war stuff. Most people these days would actually struggle to drive a lot of those cars.
I grew up dreaming about owning a FHC E-Type, but in this century realised I would never afford one unless I sold the house and lived in the car!
But the more I have read the more I realise they aren't that great to drive nowadays.
So in 2014 I bought my poor man's equivalent, a BMW Z4 Coupe which seems to have had a similar design brief but had a 155mph limiter - which the E-Type never needed!
A semi-retired mate of mine keeps telling me I ought to buy a "Classic" car (probably one he is selling).
But I can't see why I'd want to pay up to £10K for a decent 2.8i Capri when I've already had 2 and sold my last one for les than £3K in 1989. And by current performance standards it's just slow!
Amirhussain said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Even when I was kid I never understood the love for the looks of the E-Type(in any guise). It is a shape that has never done anything for me. I've always preferred the looks of the XJS in comparison.
Same. They’re not ugly, far from it but IMO I don’t think they’re as beautiful as some people or car journos make them out to be. That said...if I won the jackpot I’d love to have a Growler E-Type Jaguar
....i feel better now.
....could one argue throwing a v8 in one is a good thing?
For younger readers it is hard to convey just what an impact the E-Type made in period. Most of the stuff on the road in the Sixties was tragic , slow , ugly and utilitarian grey porridge . If you liked driving you had a Mini Cooper or maybe an MGB or TR4 . Ferraris , Astons and Porsches are in every traffic jam now it seems , but back then were rarer than hen's teeth . I recall only seeing two Ferraris in my first couple of years as a teenage enthusiast , and maybe three or four 911s or 356s . Nobody you'd ever met had seen a Lambo .
In that environment , seeing an E-Type was the highlight of the week . It was gratuitously sexy , with that absurdly priapic bonnet , achingly sexy hips and even the detail entranced - those phallic exhausts pointing at the guy behind and the almost flat rear window -which was heated and tinted !
But every iteration of the car made it look worse - the 2 +2 looked a bit daft, the loss of the faired in lights ruined the front view and they lost the plot with the porky V12 with its blingtastic wheels . And weren't V12s supposed to whoop , crackle and wail , rather than make a self deprecating hum ?
Time gives a new perspective to one of the few cars that merits 'icon' status. The drophead now looks almost odd, with its huge bonnet but tiny cockpit but from some angles (plan , front and 3/4 rear) the fixed head is still sensational . But the beauty is severely undermined by that comically narrow track.
Of that era ,. the two sports cars which I think look even better now than in period are the Elan and 911 (in the days before it grew an enormous arse ) . Age has not withered them one iota
In that environment , seeing an E-Type was the highlight of the week . It was gratuitously sexy , with that absurdly priapic bonnet , achingly sexy hips and even the detail entranced - those phallic exhausts pointing at the guy behind and the almost flat rear window -which was heated and tinted !
But every iteration of the car made it look worse - the 2 +2 looked a bit daft, the loss of the faired in lights ruined the front view and they lost the plot with the porky V12 with its blingtastic wheels . And weren't V12s supposed to whoop , crackle and wail , rather than make a self deprecating hum ?
Time gives a new perspective to one of the few cars that merits 'icon' status. The drophead now looks almost odd, with its huge bonnet but tiny cockpit but from some angles (plan , front and 3/4 rear) the fixed head is still sensational . But the beauty is severely undermined by that comically narrow track.
Of that era ,. the two sports cars which I think look even better now than in period are the Elan and 911 (in the days before it grew an enormous arse ) . Age has not withered them one iota
Edited by coppice on Sunday 12th July 07:01
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