RE: £25k mega-hatches | Six of the Best
Discussion
200Plus Club said:
DoubleD said:
Oh great, another thread ruined!
Why ruined? It's called discussion and opinion. No one is kicking off, I also accept that for the money the performance these days is fabulous on this type of car. No one would have believed how fast you could make a fwd car like this 20yrs ago. DoubleD said:
200Plus Club said:
DoubleD said:
Oh great, another thread ruined!
Why ruined? It's called discussion and opinion. No one is kicking off, I also accept that for the money the performance these days is fabulous on this type of car. No one would have believed how fast you could make a fwd car like this 20yrs ago. Any way I'll leave you to it if you think discussion is spoiling your thread.
200Plus Club said:
DoubleD said:
200Plus Club said:
DoubleD said:
Oh great, another thread ruined!
Why ruined? It's called discussion and opinion. No one is kicking off, I also accept that for the money the performance these days is fabulous on this type of car. No one would have believed how fast you could make a fwd car like this 20yrs ago. You've come on to a hothatch thread just to tell everyone that you wouldn't "waste" your money on one!
Any way I'll leave you to it if you think discussion is spoiling your thread.
200Plus Club said:
DoubleD said:
200Plus Club said:
DoubleD said:
Oh great, another thread ruined!
Why ruined? It's called discussion and opinion. No one is kicking off, I also accept that for the money the performance these days is fabulous on this type of car. No one would have believed how fast you could make a fwd car like this 20yrs ago. Any way I'll leave you to it if you think discussion is spoiling your thread.
Ha ha - some very entrenched views being thrown around! I don’t have a hot hatch and in fact have never owned one. I can appreciate though the unbelievable proposition they offer - physics bending handling, great pace and every day practicality all at a relatively affordable price. The fact is a modern hot hatch nails the “one car only” brief better than most - front drive aces rear wheel drive in bad winter weather and allows packaging for a family of 4. Anyway, if it were my choice...Renault all the way - I think they have a “cool factor” the others can’t touch...possibly due to very strong racing DNA and single mindedness.the focus would be close 2nd but just a bit too lairy for me. I hate the looks of the Honda and the others are a bit too German!
200Plus Club said:
I've expressed an opinion that's ruffled your feathers. I think there are better options at 25k with as good/better performance and without inherent fwd traits.( good as some of these fwd cars are)
Any way I'll leave you to it if you think discussion is spoiling your thread.
But what options? Can you name some good examples from year 2010 onward with plus 260 ps stock and under 25k?Any way I'll leave you to it if you think discussion is spoiling your thread.
Edited by KJH on Saturday 11th July 10:35
Edited by KJH on Saturday 11th July 10:37
For me the Mk 7 Golf is arguably the best all round car ever made. Every journalist that drove the R or GTI in a group test said that if it we're their money they'd buy the Golf. Evo's COTY had an R sat alongside Porsche RSs and the like. Let's not forget the Mk7 was launched in 2012. It made its contemporary rivals look like jokes, because in comparison they were.
I had a 7 GTI PP, then a 7.5 R. (310, pre-WLTP) I always said life is too short to own the same car twice, yet I bought two Golfs. The GTI actually rendered a W12 Bentley Supersport a garage ornament that eventually got sold - it never got used because the Golf was a better car in almost every way.
Some people miss the point of it. They expect it to be like a RWD sports car and get upset when it isn't. They say it's boring because it doesn't shake your teeth out. Better drivers than them agree with me that in the right hands it can entertain and then some, but because it's fashionable to say so, people who've never sat in one will tell you it's dull.
On this list there's one world class car that will be remembered as the best of it's kind, and perhaps the best hot hatch ever. Arise, Sir Mk 7 Golf.
I had a 7 GTI PP, then a 7.5 R. (310, pre-WLTP) I always said life is too short to own the same car twice, yet I bought two Golfs. The GTI actually rendered a W12 Bentley Supersport a garage ornament that eventually got sold - it never got used because the Golf was a better car in almost every way.
Some people miss the point of it. They expect it to be like a RWD sports car and get upset when it isn't. They say it's boring because it doesn't shake your teeth out. Better drivers than them agree with me that in the right hands it can entertain and then some, but because it's fashionable to say so, people who've never sat in one will tell you it's dull.
On this list there's one world class car that will be remembered as the best of it's kind, and perhaps the best hot hatch ever. Arise, Sir Mk 7 Golf.
Baldchap said:
For me the Mk 7 Golf is arguably the best all round car ever made. Every journalist that drove the R or GTI in a group test said that if it we're their money they'd buy the Golf. Evo's COTY had an R sat alongside Porsche RSs and the like. Let's not forget the Mk7 was launched in 2012. It made its contemporary rivals look like jokes, because in comparison they were.
I had a 7 GTI PP, then a 7.5 R. (310, pre-WLTP) I always said life is too short to own the same car twice, yet I bought two Golfs. The GTI actually rendered a W12 Bentley Supersport a garage ornament that eventually got sold - it never got used because the Golf was a better car in almost every way.
Some people miss the point of it. They expect it to be like a RWD sports car and get upset when it isn't. They say it's boring because it doesn't shake your teeth out. Better drivers than them agree with me that in the right hands it can entertain and then some, but because it's fashionable to say so, people who've never sat in one will tell you it's dull.
On this list there's one world class car that will be remembered as the best of it's kind, and perhaps the best hot hatch ever. Arise, Sir Mk 7 Golf.
The Golf is a decent enough car, but thats it.I had a 7 GTI PP, then a 7.5 R. (310, pre-WLTP) I always said life is too short to own the same car twice, yet I bought two Golfs. The GTI actually rendered a W12 Bentley Supersport a garage ornament that eventually got sold - it never got used because the Golf was a better car in almost every way.
Some people miss the point of it. They expect it to be like a RWD sports car and get upset when it isn't. They say it's boring because it doesn't shake your teeth out. Better drivers than them agree with me that in the right hands it can entertain and then some, but because it's fashionable to say so, people who've never sat in one will tell you it's dull.
On this list there's one world class car that will be remembered as the best of it's kind, and perhaps the best hot hatch ever. Arise, Sir Mk 7 Golf.
macky17 said:
Not driven the bmw or the merc but I've owned all of the first 4 cars and the fk8 is in a different league altogether to any of them. I suspect the same applies to the other two. The new £50k+ amg might be a different matter but that's daft money.
I had a go in a friend’s FK8 a couple of years ago, bog standard car on some worn Continental tyres and quiet, dry roads; I still struggle to fathom how something as it came out of the showroom could be so capable so cheaply. As a point A to point B weapon its pace is impressive, then consider the fact the steering felt great, gearbox felt great, cloth seats gripped you low and well, and the pedals were well-spaced for heel and toe downchanges, what a car.. I also recall how light, agile and alive the car felt on corner entry, most delightful.Eazy71 said:
Ha ha - some very entrenched views being thrown around! I don’t have a hot hatch and in fact have never owned one. I can appreciate though the unbelievable proposition they offer - physics bending handling, great pace and every day practicality all at a relatively affordable price. The fact is a modern hot hatch nails the “one car only” brief better than most - front drive aces rear wheel drive in bad winter weather and allows packaging for a family of 4.
Great description of a hot hatch.I remember them arriving in the 80's and 90's. What an exciting time that was.
I had a MR2 MK1 and my brother turned up in a new 205 Gti which blew mine away, it was so much better in every way.
All I could do was tell him his car wasn't cool as it didn't have pop up headlights.
Great cars, sadly soon to be killed off.
A Yaris GR4 may well be my last car purchase.
konster296 said:
KJH said:
But what options? Can you name some good examples from year 2010 onward with plus 260 ps stock and under 25k?
Late 987 Cayman SEdited by KJH on Saturday 11th July 10:35
Edited by KJH on Saturday 11th July 10:37
E92 M3 Competition
M2s are also starting from £25K
I still believe that a Megane Trophy would destroy all of these.
200Plus Club said:
I've expressed an opinion that's ruffled your feathers. I think there are better options at 25k with as good/better performance and without inherent fwd traits.( good as some of these fwd cars are)
Any way I'll leave you to it if you think discussion is spoiling your thread.
People are entitled to their opinions, no matter how silly they are Any way I'll leave you to it if you think discussion is spoiling your thread.
The rules are simple, mega hatch with 300 bhp, so forget sports cars and more value in yadda yadda Porsche blah etc.
A hot/mega hatch offers practicality and performance, for me its the M140i, hilariously fast in a straight line, I've previously owned two. The Golf R understeers more than people will admit, the Honda is rapid but just a bit too serious in its outlook and the cabin is not nice, the A45 rides too hard and the boot is a joke. Never tried the previous Megane or mk2 Focus RS, but the Fords residuals are mightily impressive.
A hot/mega hatch offers practicality and performance, for me its the M140i, hilariously fast in a straight line, I've previously owned two. The Golf R understeers more than people will admit, the Honda is rapid but just a bit too serious in its outlook and the cabin is not nice, the A45 rides too hard and the boot is a joke. Never tried the previous Megane or mk2 Focus RS, but the Fords residuals are mightily impressive.
200Plus Club said:
fantheman80 said:
200Plus Club said:
Not for me. 25k gets you into some nice non fwd sports cars.
It's six of the best hot hatches, not sure why you bothered commenting.I have the civic, but absolutely adore the RS MK2.Residuals are nuts.
You have a different opinion. That's how it works.
You're an arse. That's my opinion, you may have a different opinion. That's how it works.
Oh, and the A45 is AWD not FWD..
Nothing like a clickbait article to get 1000's of hits and people arguing !!
I had almost the same choice at the beginning of this year, but with a £20k budget.
My money went on a 2017, 14,000 mile, 1 owner, M140i, auto with HK audio, adaptive suspension. Nothing came close for that money, as a do-it-all only car, daily driver.
I had almost the same choice at the beginning of this year, but with a £20k budget.
My money went on a 2017, 14,000 mile, 1 owner, M140i, auto with HK audio, adaptive suspension. Nothing came close for that money, as a do-it-all only car, daily driver.
Killboy said:
200Plus Club said:
I've expressed an opinion that's ruffled your feathers. I think there are better options at 25k with as good/better performance and without inherent fwd traits.( good as some of these fwd cars are)
Any way I'll leave you to it if you think discussion is spoiling your thread.
People are entitled to their opinions, no matter how silly they are Any way I'll leave you to it if you think discussion is spoiling your thread.
:-)
For info I have driven a few modern hot hatches, including some track time in a brand new Astra VXR which was impressive to be fair. Still wouldn't buy one tho.
Argleton said:
200Plus Club said:
fantheman80 said:
200Plus Club said:
Not for me. 25k gets you into some nice non fwd sports cars.
It's six of the best hot hatches, not sure why you bothered commenting.I have the civic, but absolutely adore the RS MK2.Residuals are nuts.
You have a different opinion. That's how it works.
You're an arse. That's my opinion, you may have a different opinion. That's how it works.
Oh, and the A45 is AWD not FWD..
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