RE: £25k mega-hatches | Six of the Best

RE: £25k mega-hatches | Six of the Best

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Limpet

6,307 posts

161 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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Nik Gnashers said:
I think that's a tad of an exaggeration si.
The M140i isn't the sharpest handling car of the article, for sure, but unless the article was 'best hatches for trackdays' then that is not the point.
It's not a 'mess' at all, it's very good until you push it at 9/10ths and then it's suspension & diff starts to fall short (which is easily remedied if that is what you want the car for.
Completely agree with this.

Augustus Windsock

3,360 posts

155 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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ash73 said:
lee_erm said:
Get yourself a nice Z4M Coupe for that money. Which is also a hatchback. All be it without rear seats!
You won't be getting many people in the back of the Megane either.
Fun ily enough I’ve been looking at Z4Ms for a few months, they really appeal but in this discussion is it a hatch? I’d suggest more of a coupe with a tailgate (as in, is an E type Jag a hatch because it has a tailgate that opens?). Still a bloody good alternative though!

Steve12NG

258 posts

152 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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Quite an entertaining discussion.

Have only been in one on the list (a mate had an early Mk 7 Golf R hatch) but I was so impressed I just bought the estate version (wagon as we call them in Oz).

Frankly as a daily driver it’s hard to imagine a better all round car.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

108 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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Steve12NG said:
Quite an entertaining discussion.

Have only been in one on the list (a mate had an early Mk 7 Golf R hatch) but I was so impressed I just bought the estate version (wagon as we call them in Oz).

Frankly as a daily driver it’s hard to imagine a better all round car.
Depends what your daily drive is, everyone's is different as are their needs, so the perfect daily car will be different depending on what you need from that car.

Steve12NG

258 posts

152 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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DoubleD said:
Depends what your daily drive is, everyone's is different as are their needs, so the perfect daily car will be different depending on what you need from that car.
Of course. Perhaps I should have said “all rounder”.

I drive it to work, put the dogs in the back (filthy) on days off, drive to the shops etc., and still find it fun to go for a morning blat through the hills for a pie and coffee on days where the weather would otherwise dictate I stay at home.

It’s a great all round car, but not necessarily the sharpest of the bunch.

biggbn

23,208 posts

220 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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Can you get a Scirrocco R in budget. I know its 'just a golf', but its not. Prettier and rarer than any on the list and a blast to drive. Fro. The list, Honda, Golf and Focus really appeal. Its crazy you can now find so much performance for what is, comparatively, such little outlay...and such diverse characters of car!!

DoubleD

22,154 posts

108 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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Steve12NG said:
DoubleD said:
Depends what your daily drive is, everyone's is different as are their needs, so the perfect daily car will be different depending on what you need from that car.
Of course. Perhaps I should have said “all rounder”.

I drive it to work, put the dogs in the back (filthy) on days off, drive to the shops etc., and still find it fun to go for a morning blat through the hills for a pie and coffee on days where the weather would otherwise dictate I stay at home.

It’s a great all round car, but not necessarily the sharpest of the bunch.
Yeah, I think the Golf does a good job of covering lots of bases.

Gweeds

7,954 posts

52 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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And underneath it’s still a Golf. Solid interior, looks good. Not too lairy, no mad stickers. Just fairly discreet and a bit of a Q car.

Combine all the reasons why Golfs sell so well anyway with 300bhp AWD and it’s a winning combination.

Same goes for the new M135i. Once you get past the fact that it’s a 4-pot AWD you’ll see plenty of previous 135/140 owners saying it’s a much better tied down car that’s quicker and more capable than the old one in the real world and in all weathers. Again add in a really good interior and tech and it’s a very well resolved combination.


ddom

6,657 posts

48 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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SidewaysSi said:
The Ford and VW are pretty lame and the BMW a mess unless tweaked.

The Mégane is surely easily the best out of that lot.
The Megane or Honda are probably the best bets for something exciting for sure. BMW have a habit of making a brilliant engine and chassis and fitting fairly average suspension components. It's very odd, they can make the proper M cars work very well on bumpy roads but the 'M-sport' or whatever it's called this week, is always a bit all over the place once you venture beyond 7/10ths. Actually saying that, the M2 is too harsh IMO as well, so perhaps they actually don't care!?


Hub

6,431 posts

198 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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M140i is good value out of that lot. The Mégane might be a great hot hatch but it doesn't have a huge following, so may take a while to sell at that price.

Focus RS though, that's the one! It's a classic with a fantastic engine - and not many mainstream cars have kept their value so well from new. I like the blue, I think the green would be too much for me though!

irocfan

40,389 posts

190 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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For £25k my money would go elsewhere - if I *had* to buy a hh though it'd be the RS

Tickle

4,907 posts

204 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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irocfan said:
For £25k my money would go elsewhere - if I *had* to buy a hh though it'd be the RS
Megane or Focus?

Driver101

14,376 posts

121 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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Hub said:
M140i is good value out of that lot. The Mégane might be a great hot hatch but it doesn't have a huge following, so may take a while to sell at that price.

Focus RS though, that's the one! It's a classic with a fantastic engine - and not many mainstream cars have kept their value so well from new. I like the blue, I think the green would be too much for me though!
Most of the Focus RS take ages to sell as well.

Both have the same issue that they have certain dealers that have somehow manage to get away with asking stupid prices and people base their valuations on that.

Quite a few times when I've been buying cars the enthusiasts tell me to ignore valuation guides. They are irrelevant to market value they think.

The same thing keeps happening. Once they get to the end of their ownership they find that the amount of private buyers willing to ignore price guides are few and far between. They have no option of trading the car in as every dealer goes by the book that they thought was irrelevant. Hence why they end up sitting on the market for ages.

NGK210

2,912 posts

145 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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The Honda FK8 seems sooo good on paper, until you do some research:
They overheat during hot weather (c. 30degC and above), especially during trackdays.
Gearbox roulette, and if yours is duff, its faults will be myriad. And Honda won’t honour its warranty.
Much of that purposeful-looking venting is actually cosmetic and/or ineffectual (overheating).
So, as you trundle along with the engine in limp mode because it’s summer, while trying to get the gearbox to select a ratio and/or stay in gear, you realise you’re driving the car equivalent of padding your Calvins with socks. Magnificent.

Ultrafunkula

997 posts

105 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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You could also get a mk3 Focus RS for that budget. I'm in a Cayman right now but will be going hot hatch next - it's a weekend car really not a daily. Will be looking at the Focus or the A45 I expect, from the list the only one I wouldn't consider personally would be the Type R.

biggbn

23,208 posts

220 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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NGK210 said:
The Honda FK8 seems sooo good on paper, until you do some research:
They overheat during hot weather (c. 30degC and above), especially during trackdays.
Gearbox roulette, and if yours is duff, its faults will be myriad. And Honda won’t honour its warranty.
Much of that purposeful-looking venting is actually cosmetic and/or ineffectual (overheating).
So, as you trundle along with the engine in limp mode because it’s summer, while trying to get the gearbox to select a ratio and/or stay in gear, you realise you’re driving the car equivalent of padding your Calvins with socks. Magnificent.
So...are they ALL like that? The world over? Honda produce car with chocolate mechanicals would be a big story, no? I am genuinely interested as I have always had Honda pegged as an impeccable company for engineering integrity and research and development. Have they finally produced a lemon?

Trevor555

4,428 posts

84 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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NGK210 said:
The Honda FK8 seems sooo good on paper, until you do some research:
They overheat during hot weather (c. 30degC and above), especially during trackdays.
Gearbox roulette, and if yours is duff, its faults will be myriad. And Honda won’t honour its warranty.
Much of that purposeful-looking venting is actually cosmetic and/or ineffectual (overheating).
So, as you trundle along with the engine in limp mode because it’s summer, while trying to get the gearbox to select a ratio and/or stay in gear, you realise you’re driving the car equivalent of padding your Calvins with socks. Magnificent.
Thanks for the insight.

I've long been a Honda fan but it seems they are losing the plot by not honouring warranty faults

Quality problems on their motorbikes as well from personal experience

Very sad

NGK210

2,912 posts

145 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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biggbn said:
Can you get a Scirrocco R in budget. I know its 'just a golf', but its not. Prettier and rarer than any on the list and a blast to drive. ...
Was thinking about ‘Rocco R, too. Great value, also good rep for reliability, which is unusual for a hot VW.
Autocar’s Focus RS vs Scirocco R vid:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9VqbsWzKJMo

renmure

4,237 posts

224 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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I was hot hatch hunting back in 2018 with an open mind but as soon as I spent a bit of time with the Honda there really wasn't any other choice to make. Admittedly the Ford RS I was looking at was the newer model and a better like-for-like comparison might have been an in yer face lime green MK2 but it was an easy decision for me anyhow.

biggbn

23,208 posts

220 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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renmure said:
I was hot hatch hunting back in 2018 with an open mind but as soon as I spent a bit of time with the Honda there really wasn't any other choice to make. Admittedly the Ford RS I was looking at was the newer model and a better like-for-like comparison might have been an in yer face lime green MK2 but it was an easy decision for me anyhow.
Any of the aforementioned problems?