RE: 2020 Lotus Evora GT410 | PH Review

[unsprung]

PH article said:

Weight: 1,361kg (unladen)

very good

does "unladen" mean without oil, petrol, and coolant?

[CABC]

blueg33 said:

Engine is lovely, noticeably quicker than my car with a wider torque band

interesting. it's not as though the S1 is lacking in torque or wide spread of torque. i'm so old school i have fond memories of older 911s that you could easily stall at low revs but the power curves took off past 3k. proper sports car characteristics in my book. taking a corner in 3rd because you easily can seems lazy to me!
the max torque of this engine seems to be constant, so i guess the curve is modified and the revs higher?

[gigglebug]

Read this article this morning and I am almost certain I passed this exact car travelling in the opposite direction whilst on the way to Naaarwich a bit later on so presumably there will be another review of it coming to a car site soon.

[flukey5]

blueg33 said:

I am in the market to buy, but cant afford a new one so for me its

Stick with my Sports Racer - stunning car in a rare colour
Go for a 410 sport and suffer the seats on a long trip
Go for a 400 and have seats that annoy me because they are set too high

Its a real quandary and maybe the solution is to buy something thats not an Evora

You can easily change out seats for aftermarket ones in any car you know? If seating is the issue then just have a go at the other options out there, especially since it sounds like you want the evora anyway!

[Mannginger]

CABC said:

suggest you drive them. exige and gt4 are rather different cars and do different things.

I clearly commented before the coffee set in - I meant the Evora! I'll edit the post now

[justin220]

I absolutely loved my NA Evora S1. Brilliant car. Much preferred it to the Exige just down to its every day usability

[anonymous-user]

I'm sure Lotus would assemble it in any combination you like so long as you wave hard cash at them.

[flukey5]

Such a cool car, and imo much more allure than anything else at this price point, though this colour choice is absolutely revolting. I'd much rather have a rare handbuilt car from the UK than the same porker that everyone else buys as soon as their mid-life crisis hits!

6-cylinder, Manual, no turbos, RWD. The only other competition is the Cayman GT4/GTS, and they don't have the sound or presence of these. As soon as I can afford one, I'll have one.

I think a lot of people don't really get Lotus but to me they miss the point. There's a personal touch that you just don't get with any mainstream brand; and sure you might find that sometimes that personal touch is a far less 'polished' experience, but mostly I find it endearing. Drive one and you'll get approving nods and waves from everyone (and other lotus drivers) - and you'll want to avoid petrol stations where everyone will want to talk to you.

[philhusbands]

I parted company with an Evora 400 a while ago. The old ‘change in circumstances forces sale...’ It was hands down the most enthralling driving experience, ever. The noise, pace, feedback, handling... not to mention the rarity. I felt like a goddamn rockstar every time I drove it. Loved it.

[Matty3]

The Evora is the most underrated car in its class. The driving experience is totally sublime. If only Lotus could sort out the rear quarter design.

[blueg33]

flukey5 said:

blueg33 said:

I am in the market to buy, but cant afford a new one so for me its

Stick with my Sports Racer - stunning car in a rare colour
Go for a 410 sport and suffer the seats on a long trip
Go for a 400 and have seats that annoy me because they are set too high

Its a real quandary and maybe the solution is to buy something thats not an Evora

You can easily change out seats for aftermarket ones in any car you know? If seating is the issue then just have a go at the other options out there, especially since it sounds like you want the evora anyway!

Indeed , but changing the seats adds £2k to the cost plus a sport doesn’t have the loom and switches for seat heating, but that’s a real consideration.

Need to sell my car had an interested party but he has decided to hold off buying.

[Porsche911R]

CABC said:

David, you know full well that there is no understeer on any car if you drive it correctly.
ok, so some cars default to understeer way too early, but that's not what we're talking about here. this car is geared at the Phil's of this world - something a little softer than a normal 4xx but still holding the essential Evora attributes. a road car basically.
i like the idea of it as i don't think this size of car (and yes it's smaller than competition) is suited to uk track work. maybe the Ring. i think it will sell a lot, by Evora standards...

that's why owners have to get the hubs re machines to get any workable camber !

Don’t know who Phil is, but if he is a Porsche owner he's not swapping for a comfort Evora.

Let’s revisit and look at sales vs the sport In The Uk in 12 months, I stick my neck out and call it a dud like the ips models.

[Cold]

Porsche911R said:

Don’t know who Phil is, but if he is a Porsche owner he's not swapping for a comfort Evora.

I haven't seen Phil Popham for a while, but I'd be surprised if the CEO of Lotus owned a Porsche.

[anonymous-user]

This car looks a pretty sensible specification for actually selling some real cars to real people, albeit the price tag is looks mighty aggressive.

[ate one too]

Part of the problem at Lotus is that they are selling what are perceived to be £30,000 Elises at between £40,000 and £60,000, £40,000 Exiges at between £60,000 and £100,000 and £50,000 Evoras at between £75,000 and £86,000.

[CABC]

ate one too said:

Part of the problem at Lotus is that they are selling what are perceived to be £30,000 Elises at between £40,000 and £60,000, £40,000 Exiges at between £60,000 and £100,000 and £50,000 Evoras at between £75,000 and £86,000.

Spot on.
Then you drive one and think, yep, I’ll have this.

Besides the UK market isn’t that important. Sadly though, other markets don’t prioritise driving dynamics and so we’ll see a new focus in the future.

[bcr5784]

ate one too said:

Part of the problem at Lotus is that they are selling what are perceived to be £30,000 Elises at between £40,000 and £60,000, £40,000 Exiges at between £60,000 and £100,000 and £50,000 Evoras at between £75,000 and £86,000.

I'd probably agree they seem a bit pricey - but an 2 litre MX5 costs nearly 30k these days so I'd expect to pay quite a bit more for an Elise, and a 718 or Alpine is 50k so I'd expect to pay quite a bit more for an Evora.

[plenty]

blueg33 said:

In reality, the perfect Evora for me is my current car with the 410bhp engine and brakes to match, mine is not bad but an extra 50 odd bhp is not to be sniffed at.

You could consider a Komo-tec kit on your car. I owned an S1 with the EV430 conversion and while I’ve never tried a standard S it felt good for close to its rated 425 hp. The EV460 gives a bit more plus the charge-cooler to match the factory cars.

Standard brakes with uprated pads such as PF8 are more than a match for 400+ bhp.

However, with modding you won’t get your money back on resale. To remedy that, you could always sell yours and buy this one: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10525933?u...

[blackrabbit]

I have a 2014 Evora in the US right now. Dealer is very close to me and I am considering one of these or a new Corvette C8. Evora's biggest issue is aggressive pricing in the US and sparse dealer network. My local dealer has 4 in stock right now at about USD $125K once you include taxes. A corvette will be probably $35k cheaper. Both very tempting and other than minor fit and finish issues will have reliable drivetrains and pretty low running costs. Evora of course rarer and a different drive style. I came from multiple 911's before and running costs are way higher for total cost of ownership and I wouldn't buy one again, they are just not special anymore. In my area at least used values of early Evora's are rising and they are getting hard to find. I drove an IPS recently and it seemed nice too, I wouldn't write them off at all as a daily driver.

[Tuna]

As ever, you should have a proper test drive of a Lotus before worrying about specs, prices and top trumps with other cars.

We'll see if Geely can address the sales network - and then how the range expands to cater for a less 'hardcore' market.