What’s the future hold for us petrol heads?
Discussion
Talking with a mate and we were saying how we are all going to be forced to drive electric things in the near future.
With the talks of banning petrol and diesel Sales by 2035 and going zero carbon by 2050, its not looking great for us.
Will we be able to hold onto our loved petrol motors even after 2050? Fuel prices will continue to rise to un affordable prices, practically forcing us to move to electric. But what about us that like running cheap sheds? There will have to be huge incentives to make the regular low earner go to electric or us that just use our cars on a weekend. Battery lifespan about 10 years, unless there’s a huge breakthrough in battery technology I don’t see it been viable....
Thoughts?
With the talks of banning petrol and diesel Sales by 2035 and going zero carbon by 2050, its not looking great for us.
Will we be able to hold onto our loved petrol motors even after 2050? Fuel prices will continue to rise to un affordable prices, practically forcing us to move to electric. But what about us that like running cheap sheds? There will have to be huge incentives to make the regular low earner go to electric or us that just use our cars on a weekend. Battery lifespan about 10 years, unless there’s a huge breakthrough in battery technology I don’t see it been viable....
Thoughts?
wizzard450 said:
Talking with a mate and we were saying how we are all going to be forced to drive electric things in the near future.
With the talks of banning petrol and diesel Sales by 2035 and going zero carbon by 2050, its not looking great for us.
Will we be able to hold onto our loved petrol motors even after 2050? Fuel prices will continue to rise to un affordable prices, practically forcing us to move to electric. But what about us that like running cheap sheds? There will have to be huge incentives to make the regular low earner go to electric or us that just use our cars on a weekend. Battery lifespan about 10 years, unless there’s a huge breakthrough in battery technology I don’t see it been viable....
Thoughts?
One aspect not talked about will be actually buying petrol and diesel.With the talks of banning petrol and diesel Sales by 2035 and going zero carbon by 2050, its not looking great for us.
Will we be able to hold onto our loved petrol motors even after 2050? Fuel prices will continue to rise to un affordable prices, practically forcing us to move to electric. But what about us that like running cheap sheds? There will have to be huge incentives to make the regular low earner go to electric or us that just use our cars on a weekend. Battery lifespan about 10 years, unless there’s a huge breakthrough in battery technology I don’t see it been viable....
Thoughts?
I can see petrol stations slowly removing pumps and putting in electric charging stations. These stations will need more power than the grid can supply so you will start having roads dug up to lay the charging cables, roads dug up again so the f**ksticks can steal the cables for their copper content.
I see a 180 degree turn around to go from electric charging stations being few and far between to garages that still sell petrol being the rarity.
(Just the rantings of someone who's been stuck inside for days, because the outside temps are staying around 45C)
Yup, dead right there imagine the carnage...
Honda have already announce no more petrol or diesel from 2022, which took me by surprise. Hopefully the rest won’t follow suit.
Be interesting to see what will happen to the value of petrol and diesel cars, for majority of people outside of large cities, and people in the sticks like me it simply won’t work with the current plan
Honda have already announce no more petrol or diesel from 2022, which took me by surprise. Hopefully the rest won’t follow suit.
Be interesting to see what will happen to the value of petrol and diesel cars, for majority of people outside of large cities, and people in the sticks like me it simply won’t work with the current plan
I do think horses are analogous. Currently ice cars are for everyone and some can see it as a hobby. Cars aren’t the freedom giving items they were last century and they’re becoming (ev) white goods where driving dynamics is a low priority.
Fun ice cars will become a small market and more expensive too. The second hand market no longer has a large pool of cheap light track cars either.
This is our last hurrah guys. A few years left though, don’t over dramatise things. There’s good choice still.
Fun ice cars will become a small market and more expensive too. The second hand market no longer has a large pool of cheap light track cars either.
This is our last hurrah guys. A few years left though, don’t over dramatise things. There’s good choice still.
Yup, enjoy it while you can! Modern cars are boring anyway, well the majority. Small engined turbos aren’t for me, the last era, pre 2010 had some decent n/a engines to choose from, but then days are well behind us now. It won’t be the same going for a hoon in a electric car, or tinkering about with it etc. we are proper been screwed her and we can do nothing but watch it happen!
There'll come a time where electric vehicles are so good and the possibilities so limitless people that who are into ICE cars will be regarded as quaint as traction engine enthusiasts.
You might be able to program your car to act like a Daytona on the way to the shops and a Maybach on the way home.
The fossil fuel chapter is slowly closing. What's next might be extremely interesting. Who knows? The train has left the station anyway.
And whether car ownership itself will survive is just as relevant a question.
You might be able to program your car to act like a Daytona on the way to the shops and a Maybach on the way home.
The fossil fuel chapter is slowly closing. What's next might be extremely interesting. Who knows? The train has left the station anyway.
And whether car ownership itself will survive is just as relevant a question.
I'm just amazed that people are still prepared to buy ''appreciating future classics'' at current insane bubble prices, in particular the 90's & 00's rally reps, hot hatches and fast Fords, they're obviously convinced that prices will keep on rising indefinitely for decades to come.
I'm convinced in the not too distant future UKGOV will be revising the RFL to target older, high emissions, high performance cars as part of the push for EV and there's no guarantee that the endless ZIRPing and money printing that has resulted in the current bubble prices for older performance cars will continue for ever.
I'm convinced in the not too distant future UKGOV will be revising the RFL to target older, high emissions, high performance cars as part of the push for EV and there's no guarantee that the endless ZIRPing and money printing that has resulted in the current bubble prices for older performance cars will continue for ever.
Scootersp said:
It'll be a long time I think.
Massive petrol chemical influence/money/power
Poor people can't afford any new car, so enforced change will be a vote loser?
It's definitely shifting but I just don't see it being quickly to full electric/electric domination
Petrol heads are already losing out to legislation and market demand for comfort/gadgets. EV is just part of that trajectory. I’d say that below 50k peak petrolhead past a few years ago. Of course technology and manufacturing have progressed, but fun gave way to emissions, safety, comfort and gadgets. PH’s favourite benchmark is, quite reasonably, Porsche. They left pure sports cars a long time ago and most on here still buy the koolaid. All credit to Mazda l think. Massive petrol chemical influence/money/power
Poor people can't afford any new car, so enforced change will be a vote loser?
It's definitely shifting but I just don't see it being quickly to full electric/electric domination
mike74 said:
I'm just amazed that people are still prepared to buy ''appreciating future classics'' at current insane bubble prices, in particular the 90's & 00's rally reps, hot hatches and fast Fords, they're obviously convinced that prices will keep on rising indefinitely for decades to come.
I'm convinced in the not too distant future UKGOV will be revising the RFL to target older, high emissions, high performance cars as part of the push for EV and there's no guarantee that the endless ZIRPing and money printing that has resulted in the current bubble prices for older performance cars will continue for ever.
Or they actually love those cars and possibly couldn’t afford them then and now can and really want to sample it. I'm convinced in the not too distant future UKGOV will be revising the RFL to target older, high emissions, high performance cars as part of the push for EV and there's no guarantee that the endless ZIRPing and money printing that has resulted in the current bubble prices for older performance cars will continue for ever.
Never buy a car for snake oil value increase instead enjoy it for what it is. Only buy ones you like
Welshbeef said:
mike74 said:
I'm just amazed that people are still prepared to buy ''appreciating future classics'' at current insane bubble prices, in particular the 90's & 00's rally reps, hot hatches and fast Fords, they're obviously convinced that prices will keep on rising indefinitely for decades to come.
I'm convinced in the not too distant future UKGOV will be revising the RFL to target older, high emissions, high performance cars as part of the push for EV and there's no guarantee that the endless ZIRPing and money printing that has resulted in the current bubble prices for older performance cars will continue for ever.
Or they actually love those cars and possibly couldn’t afford them then and now can and really want to sample it. I'm convinced in the not too distant future UKGOV will be revising the RFL to target older, high emissions, high performance cars as part of the push for EV and there's no guarantee that the endless ZIRPing and money printing that has resulted in the current bubble prices for older performance cars will continue for ever.
Never buy a car for snake oil value increase instead enjoy it for what it is. Only buy ones you like
Loved my big noisy engines, cold starts, crackles on overrun etc but new performance cars sound crap now, have fake noise piped into cabin, fake vents and even fake exhausts now.
Every different car I had (I swapped within 12 months or earlier every time) It felt like side stepping so bit the bullet and got a Tesla and it genuinely felt like a big forward stride for once.
As a company director, the benefits were massive and still had the performance which I didn’t want to lose.
I usually get itchy feet to swap cars after 6 months but honestly couldn’t be happier right now.
In the real world, it’s the fastest car I’ve had, costs about a fiver to fill up (from my drive) which is good for approx 300 miles and there’s no servicing as such.
Can’t ever see myself buying an ICE again and hate driving them now.
Embrace the future as it’s only just beginning and nothing lasts forever.
Every different car I had (I swapped within 12 months or earlier every time) It felt like side stepping so bit the bullet and got a Tesla and it genuinely felt like a big forward stride for once.
As a company director, the benefits were massive and still had the performance which I didn’t want to lose.
I usually get itchy feet to swap cars after 6 months but honestly couldn’t be happier right now.
In the real world, it’s the fastest car I’ve had, costs about a fiver to fill up (from my drive) which is good for approx 300 miles and there’s no servicing as such.
Can’t ever see myself buying an ICE again and hate driving them now.
Embrace the future as it’s only just beginning and nothing lasts forever.
I took my 911 out yesterday for a couple of hours of good old fashioned fun. Normally I potter around in it as it’s my pride and joy, something I’ve wanted for years. At the moment, apart from a McLaren that embarrassed me, it’s quicker than anything else I’ve encountered where I live, but that’s going to change. Even now I find myself looking at the badges, or checking out the alloys, to make sure I’m not picking a fight with an electric fridge I can’t win. Luckily I’m at the age when speed will soon matter less than the need to plan rest stops for my bladder. I feel so sorry for the younger generation who will never experience their first twin cam, V6, V8 or the like. 80kWh doesn’t quite have the same ring.
RIP real motoring
RIP real motoring
Bobtherallyfan said:
I took my 911 out yesterday for a couple of hours of good old fashioned fun. Normally I potter around in it as it’s my pride and joy, something I’ve wanted for years. At the moment, apart from a McLaren that embarrassed me, it’s quicker than anything else I’ve encountered where I live, but that’s going to change. Even now I find myself looking at the badges, or checking out the alloys, to make sure I’m not picking a fight with an electric fridge I can’t win. Luckily I’m at the age when speed will soon matter less than the need to plan rest stops for my bladder. I feel so sorry for the younger generation who will never experience their first twin cam, V6, V8 or the like. 80kWh doesn’t quite have the same ring.
RIP real motoring
But much of the youth show no interest in traditional performance ICE cars. None of my kids or there friends paid any attention to my M car, AMG or Audi RS.RIP real motoring
Stick a Tesla on the drive and suddenly they’re interested and think it’s cool and to have a ride in it.
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