BOTB - rigged?
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Terminator X said:
Pommy said:
Terminator X said:
Just like the lottery, a tax on fools!
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I've personally met 20+ top prize lottery winners through my work. They ertainly didn't feel foolish buying their ticketsTX.
"The Lottery Jackpot
To win the lottery jackpot you must correctly match 6 numbers between 1 and 59. Therefore there are 59!/(6!*(59-6)!) different combinations of lottery numbers. This gives you a chance of 1 in 45,057,474."
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Algarve said:
All the numbers are public. No there's not a better chance of winning 50m on the euro millions than winning a Cayman you can't afford to run... but % wise the lottery is the least worst of the 2 options if you fancy a 'what if...' for a couple of quid 
Eh? The chance of winning the lottery is 1 in like 30 million or something. On BOTB, unless you're a complete 
, you'll guess within a few k pixels of the answer....thecremeegg said:
Eh? The chance of winning the lottery is 1 in like 30 million or something. On BOTB, unless you're a complete , you'll guess within a few k pixels of the answer....
You don't need to win the lottery to buy a car. Some of the runners up prizes on the euro millions will more than buy you an entry level Porsche or whatever the BOTB prize was. , you'll guess within a few k pixels of the answer....And you'll know a significant % will go to good causes also. 28% of lottery money goes to charity... BOTB gave basically nothing from their £15m turnover to good causes. I looked the other day, can't remember exactly what it was now. £5k or so.
Algarve said:
You don't need to win the lottery to buy a car. Some of the runners up prizes on the euro millions will more than buy you an entry level Porsche or whatever the BOTB prize was.
And you'll know a significant % will go to good causes also. 28% of lottery money goes to charity... BOTB gave basically nothing from their £15m turnover to good causes. I looked the other day, can't remember exactly what it was now. £5k or so.
But, that wasn't what was being discussed....? The odds of winning the lottery are mad ( I still play though!), far higher than something like BOTB. Sure, the odds are still high, but yea, not in the same league.And you'll know a significant % will go to good causes also. 28% of lottery money goes to charity... BOTB gave basically nothing from their £15m turnover to good causes. I looked the other day, can't remember exactly what it was now. £5k or so.
Oh and BOTB will have a winner each week, the lottery won't
thecremeegg said:
But, that wasn't what was being discussed....? The odds of winning the lottery are mad ( I still play though!), far higher than something like BOTB. Sure, the odds are still high, but yea, not in the same league.
Oh and BOTB will have a winner each week, the lottery won't
8 people won £70k on the euro millions last week, and that was 1 of 2 draws - https://www.euro-millions.com/results/07-07-2020. Someone won the jackpot on their own. Oh and BOTB will have a winner each week, the lottery won't
BOTB just seems to be a complete game of chance, with worse % return, and less of the money going to charity. Utterly pointless. I'd rather chuck my 2.50 euros on the euro millions.
Pommy said:
I manage the Wealth team for one of the large Australian banks and as such I meet the winners when they are introduced to one of my team when seeking financial advice.
Shame you have to explain yourself to ridiculous comments. I won £800 on Christmas day which I was rather pleased about. I used to have a direct debit for a few quid a month on the lottery, I enjoyed the thought of waking up to a life-changing email. At the end of the day, someone has to win.
As far as Botb goes, I've tried it but don't like it. I do play the more recent type of competitions like Elite/Dreamcargiveaway/7days etc and I won an Impreza a couple of years ago with Elite Competitions.
iacabu said:
Pommy said:
I manage the Wealth team for one of the large Australian banks and as such I meet the winners when they are introduced to one of my team when seeking financial advice.
Shame you have to explain yourself to ridiculous comments. I won £800 on Christmas day which I was rather pleased about. I used to have a direct debit for a few quid a month on the lottery, I enjoyed the thought of waking up to a life-changing email. At the end of the day, someone has to win.
As far as Botb goes, I've tried it but don't like it. I do play the more recent type of competitions like Elite/Dreamcargiveaway/7days etc and I won an Impreza a couple of years ago with Elite Competitions.
Always fascinating hearing their story and some really weird stuff, like the woman who won $22m yet when she came in to draw a printed bankers cheque off for her brother for $1m and there was a $10 charge (should have been free...) and she was like 'oh, ok, erm' and started digging in to her purse for coins for it as she never had money before the win and thought she'd have to pay for it with cash. The other was the guy who won $30m and didn't spend $1 of it for 6 months after he won, didn't give a $ to charity or his kids. It basically hardly changed his life.
Most winners dont do what we all do and dream of Lambos and massive houses. They mostly tend to be quite conservative. Most common new car and toy choice was a new Toyota Landcruiser and a boat.
Another got super paranoid her kids would get kidnapped.
Part of our guidance was have 3 advisers- an accountant, a lawyer and a financial planner. Just 1 and you can get shafted. 2 and they can work together to shaft you. 3 and they keep an eye on each other...
Edited by Pommy on Monday 13th July 15:32
To avoid cries of scam from those who don't tend to read the T&Cs on these things, they might want to stay away from the Weekly Lifestyle competitions too, as there's only a single prize each week - despite being able to buy 'tickets' for multiple items.
Terms of Play
Terms of Play
Terms of Play said:
7.2 Lifestyle Competitions: Lifestyle Competitions comprise different prize categories, including Cash amounts, Watches, Motorcycles and Other: For the avoidance of doubt, there will be only one prize awarded for each Lifestyle Competition ('First Prize') and not one per prize listed.
mmm-five said:
To avoid cries of scam from those who don't tend to read the T&Cs on these things, they might want to stay away from the Weekly Lifestyle competitions too, as there's only a single prize each week - despite being able to buy 'tickets' for multiple items.
Terms of Play
I never realised that very sneaky at least the raffles you know the score, tickets sold prizes etc.Terms of Play
Terms of Play said:
7.2 Lifestyle Competitions: Lifestyle Competitions comprise different prize categories, including Cash amounts, Watches, Motorcycles and Other: For the avoidance of doubt, there will be only one prize awarded for each Lifestyle Competition ('First Prize') and not one per prize listed.
Algarve said:
8 people won £70k on the euro millions last week, and that was 1 of 2 draws - https://www.euro-millions.com/results/07-07-2020. Someone won the jackpot on their own.
BOTB just seems to be a complete game of chance, with worse % return, and less of the money going to charity. Utterly pointless. I'd rather chuck my 2.50 euros on the euro millions.
8 people won £70k, out of how many tickets? The jackpot rolls over most weeks, gets won on average probably every 4 draws based on my experience.BOTB just seems to be a complete game of chance, with worse % return, and less of the money going to charity. Utterly pointless. I'd rather chuck my 2.50 euros on the euro millions.
Stop digging a hole, the lottery odds ARE FAR HIGHER!
Even if the image was 4K resolution, it would only have 8,294,400 pixels, with 95% of those at least out of bounds to anybody with a brain...sure you probably get multiple people with the correct answer but yea, that's the risk you take.
thecremeegg said:
8 people won £70k, out of how many tickets? The jackpot rolls over most weeks, gets won on average probably every 4 draws based on my experience.
Stop digging a hole, the lottery odds ARE FAR HIGHER! .
Go look on companies house website for BOTB. Stop digging a hole, the lottery odds ARE FAR HIGHER! .
Then go compare it to the information on where the lottery ticket money goes - its all public.
Neither of them makes sense purely from a financial point of view.... but BOTB is the worst 'investment' from the pair of them.
thecremeegg said:
Even if the image was 4K resolution, it would only have 8,294,400 pixels, with 95% of those at least out of bounds to anybody with a brain...sure you probably get multiple people with the correct answer but yea, that's the risk you take.
You've just highlighted why they're so profitable. You've got no understanding at all of the odds behind all of this. Edited by Algarve on Monday 13th July 15:59
blueST said:
Do they publish how many people play each week?
No but you can go look at overall revenue, and where it went - https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/0375518...£3400 donated to charity...from £15m revenue. Think I'll stick to lottery tickets for my idiotic 'what if' gambling spends
StrawberryBurst said:
I've been playing a few months now, spending minimal amounts really that I probably would have otherwise spent in the pub so no big loss to me but the more I play the more rigged I think it is...
I found a thread on here from a while back where a couple of people say they won etc but I'm far from convinced. For starters the spot the ball competition image is scaled down, so when you're picking your co-ordinates you are picking them on a scaled down image. Only after you have picked them can you view/download the full sized image and you realise your co-ordinates are likely miles off. I think this is where they catch most people out. So last week I put this to the test.
I had some credit so I put one ticket on a selection then went to download the full size image afterwards. I put a pixel grid on top of the image in photoshop so I could get the co-ordinates from the image. Done the usual, drew some lines etc and got completely different co-ordinates who would have thunk it. So I then put some of the credit on those co-ordinates. Results came in on Tuesday evening and funnily enough I was closer on my second attempt with the full size image.
Secondly, they claim they do not pre-select the co-ordinates or do live draws because someone could pass that information on for someone to win and they want to surprise the winner. How is this any different to what they are doing now with pre-recorded judges making selections... They probably look through how much tickets they've sold for that week and pick a winner based on the car they've chosen so they make X amount of profit. All this video footage of judges etc is for show to try legitimise it. Claim it's a game of skill and it doesn't classify as gambling. You literally have more chance of winning the lottery!
I see comments from people all the time saying that the judges decisions are baffling and whatnot but in reality when you are only playing with the scaled down image on their site, the judges "decisions" don't at all seem baffling.
Anyone else feel the same?
You can never work out where the ball will be because of how ‘spot the ball’ is designed to be run so as to be fair. I found a thread on here from a while back where a couple of people say they won etc but I'm far from convinced. For starters the spot the ball competition image is scaled down, so when you're picking your co-ordinates you are picking them on a scaled down image. Only after you have picked them can you view/download the full sized image and you realise your co-ordinates are likely miles off. I think this is where they catch most people out. So last week I put this to the test.
I had some credit so I put one ticket on a selection then went to download the full size image afterwards. I put a pixel grid on top of the image in photoshop so I could get the co-ordinates from the image. Done the usual, drew some lines etc and got completely different co-ordinates who would have thunk it. So I then put some of the credit on those co-ordinates. Results came in on Tuesday evening and funnily enough I was closer on my second attempt with the full size image.
Secondly, they claim they do not pre-select the co-ordinates or do live draws because someone could pass that information on for someone to win and they want to surprise the winner. How is this any different to what they are doing now with pre-recorded judges making selections... They probably look through how much tickets they've sold for that week and pick a winner based on the car they've chosen so they make X amount of profit. All this video footage of judges etc is for show to try legitimise it. Claim it's a game of skill and it doesn't classify as gambling. You literally have more chance of winning the lottery!
I see comments from people all the time saying that the judges decisions are baffling and whatnot but in reality when you are only playing with the scaled down image on their site, the judges "decisions" don't at all seem baffling.
Anyone else feel the same?
If you think about it, in today’s world you can find the original image online and know exactly where the ball is. However this is not an issue because the way it works is that at the point of draw an independent service decides where they ‘think’ the ball is and the winner is the closest to that person’s guess.
Ie, you ask a solicitor or specialist service to give their opinion as to where the ball is and then you use that.
It’s all audited and can be tracked.
However, obviously absolutely no system can ever withstand deliberate fraud. But there’s no great advantage to risking your entire business so as to give your mate a car.
The real way to use online raffles is to launder drug money. Your street dealers all buy tickets with their illicit cash and your bent solicitor adjudicates that the winner of the random draw is Mr Edwards of Southend on Sea. Again! Yay!!
Even then you have to get a load of properly thick punters to manage to buy a ticket. It’s a big ask. It’s easier to just buy a vape shop at the 50p end of the hoghstreet and just funnel the cash over the counter.
Edited by DonkeyApple on Monday 13th July 22:01
Pommy said:
Most winners dont do what we all do and dream of Lambos and massive houses. They mostly tend to be quite conservative. Most common new car and toy choice was a new Toyota Landcruiser and a boat.
Some friends of ours scooped a whisker under £2m about 6 years ago now, and were similarly restrained.Bought a fixer upper 4 bed detached house in a nice street, which they gutted and remodelled to their taste. They also bought a smaller rental property, a new car each (RS5 and a Mini) and squirrelled the rest (about half of it) away into various investments. They both still work, their kids go to the same schools, and they have the same friends. They just live very comfortably, have some very nice holidays, and will retire early.
iacabu said:
Shame you have to explain yourself to ridiculous comments.
I won £800 on Christmas day which I was rather pleased about. I used to have a direct debit for a few quid a month on the lottery, I enjoyed the thought of waking up to a life-changing email. At the end of the day, someone has to win.
As far as Botb goes, I've tried it but don't like it. I do play the more recent type of competitions like Elite/Dreamcargiveaway/7days etc and I won an Impreza a couple of years ago with Elite Competitions.
The chance of being struck by lightning is 1 in 14m, does that worry you at all on a wet day? Do you think it will strike you at all in your lifetime? Yet you think there is a chance for you to Win Big when the odds are 1 in 45m ...I won £800 on Christmas day which I was rather pleased about. I used to have a direct debit for a few quid a month on the lottery, I enjoyed the thought of waking up to a life-changing email. At the end of the day, someone has to win.
As far as Botb goes, I've tried it but don't like it. I do play the more recent type of competitions like Elite/Dreamcargiveaway/7days etc and I won an Impreza a couple of years ago with Elite Competitions.
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